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Windows Forum / Internet Explorer / General Topics / March 2008Move address bar in IE 7?
Is there a way to move and/or resize the address bar in IE 7 Beta 2? I think the address bar might look better below the tabs for the tabbed browsing. I tried unlocking the toolbars, but the address bar and search bar won't move. Thanks. At this time it is not possible to do. > Is there a way to move and/or resize the address bar in IE 7 Beta 2? I > think [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks. Do you know if Microsoft is trying to fix this problem? As Christian said, the address bar does look better below the tabs. It would be really nice and helpful to be able to move the address bar according to your preference. Right now, the toolbars do unlock, but they won't budge. > At this time it is not possible to do. > > Is there a way to move and/or resize the address bar in IE 7 Beta 2? I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > Thanks. I don't know but Microsoft may not consider this to be a problem. > Do you know if Microsoft is trying to fix this problem? As Christian said, > the address bar does look better below the tabs. It would be really nice [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > >> > Thanks. Having the address bar in a fixed position at the top of the window that is always displayed is part of the design changes for IE7. This is part of the work along with improved certificate handling and the anti-phishing filter to help reduce the threat of being spoofed and believe you are on a web site other than the one you are actually visiting. Spoofing is a serious threat on the internet and even experienced users can find it easy to be mislead into giving up personal information when on a website pretending to be a financial institution or retailer. By ensuring that the address bar is in a fixed position and always displayed a user has a consistent place where the url of the website is shown and makes it more difficult to overwrite the address area with misleading information. While it may take a little getting used to I now find it very natural and intuitive. Thanks -Dave >I don't know but Microsoft may not consider this to be a problem. >> Do you know if Microsoft is trying to fix this problem? As Christian [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>> > >>> > Thanks. Dave, The real problem which underlies the question is a concern over the new design's inflexibility and its waste of window real estate in the address bar. The relatively unmovable address, search, menu, link. tab and tool "bars" run counter to microsoft's advertised policy of providing an envoronment which fosters creativity. I use a custom link bar with 10 folder icons and cannot set it where I need it. There is no logical imperative for the phishing protection feature to interfere with the user's choice and/or placement of toolbars. ----------------------------------------------------------- > Having the address bar in a fixed position at the top of the window that is > always displayed is part of the design changes for IE7. This is part of the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >>> > > >>> > Thanks. Personally I dislike having the address bar above the menus. While I agree that the address bar should always be visible, I do not think it really needs to be at the top of the screen where the menus are in most applications. For most users this is counter-intuitive. Also, the search bar should be hidable and movable along with all of the other toolbars. It would also be convenient if the tabs were implemented as a toolbar and could be moved at will. > Having the address bar in a fixed position at the top of the window that is > always displayed is part of the design changes for IE7. This is part of the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >>> > > >>> > Thanks. Hello Dave, > By ensuring that the address bar is in a fixed position and always displayed > a user has a consistent place where the url of the website is shown and > makes it more difficult to overwrite the address area > with misleading information. I do not agree that it is more difficult to overwrite the address area when using a fixed UI. Rather the opposite is the case. In order to spoof a fixed positioned UI an attacker has to guess the exact position and appearance of the address bar which is much easier if it is not customizable by the user. If the UI is fixed the attacker is always successful whereas when the UI is customizable the attacker is only successful if the user has not made changes to the UI. Besides there are also legitimate reasons for hiding the address bar: 1 saving real estate (for example in pop-up windows) 2 restricting access (disallow users to enter URLs) 3 removing parts of the UI the user is not interested in (think of kiosk mode) 4 using a 3rd-party toolbar for navigation (like the Google or Quero Toolbar) I am the developer of the Quero Toolbar and prefer to put the user in control. The default layout as proposed by the IE team may be good for normal users but please do not forget power users and developers (like me) who want to be able to customize IE completely. In my opinion one major advantage of IE6 over other browsers was the flexible toolbar layout and extensibility. Thanks Viktor http://www.quero.at/ The New Web Experience What exactly does anti-phishing methods, spoofing and improved certificate handling have to do with a fixed address bar, as we as having to do with the size of it? > Having the address bar in a fixed position at the top of the window that > is always displayed is part of the design changes for IE7. This is part of [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>>> > >>>> > Thanks. what a joke.........fixed address bar will stop all phishing and security issues........... > What exactly does anti-phishing methods, spoofing and improved certificate > handling have to do with a fixed address bar, as we as having to do with the [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >>>> > > >>>> > Thanks. As I said the fixed address bar that is always displayed is just one small part of a focus to protect users against the bad guys. It certainly is not the only thing, but every little bit helps so that users can make informed decisions about what they can trust. Thanks -Dave > what a joke.........fixed address bar will stop all phishing and security > issues........... [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Thanks. > As I said the fixed address bar that is always displayed is just one small > part of a focus to protect users against the bad guys. > > > -Dave YOU MUST BE KIDDING, DAVE! But if you insist of trying to bamboozle the readers, amuse yourself. As for myself, I consider the relative inflexibility of the entire set of "bars" at the top of the Internet Explorer 7 to be used by the designers primarily to prevent the installation of competitive bars. Google comes to mind. Internet Explorer 6.0 was far superior in every respect and you know it. You make no friends by trying to snow the readership. Zolaris > > what a joke.........fixed address bar will stop all phishing and security > > issues........... [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > Thanks. >> As I said the fixed address bar that is always displayed is just one >> small [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Zolaris I understand that argument. If you fell for a phishing link the Address Bar shows you where you really are. In case you happen to look at it.  SignatureFrank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM "Anyone who prefers security over freedom deserves neither." > If you fell for a phishing link, the Address Bar shows you where you really are. > In case you happen to look at it. Look carefully at the argument that the locked-in design of the address bar provides protection against a "phishing link": A) Experienced surfers: Experienced surfers behave exactly as the term "surfer" implies; they hardly if ever "see" a "window's" structure. Rather, they glide right over the screen and focus to the area where they expect to find the text or image towards which they initially "surfed". B) Neophytes: If you have ever tried to teach the rudiments of computer/windows/internet utilization, you have painfully learned how "unfocused", bewildered and obstinately blind neophytes are as they stare in panic at a screenful of bits and pieces of computer "tools", icons, bars, images, ads, text, etc. In both cases, neither the experienced nor the new surfer will notice the fine print in the address bar, if they even take time to look at it, until they have proceeded down the page, open to the malevolence of the "phisherman". To claim that the address bar, AND ALL OTHER BARS, have to be locked in place in order to alert the user against "phishing" is an artful dodge against acknowledging that there are other motives behind the inflexibility of the new design. At any rate, many will soon turn off the "phishing" blocking feature as it inevitably blocks legitimate pages. Llocking the address bar or any of the screen's components as is done in IE7 may serve a Microsoft purpose; it serves none of its customers'. Zolaris Well phising aside, I know that I certainly don't need to waste a whole layer of toolbar space just for the address bar, back buttons, and search bar. I can do with an address bar about 25% as large and then use the rest of the space--if it were there for me, as it is in IE6, for a few toolbars that I want, sized and placed where I want them, without using up another whole level of screen real estate. I thought that was one of the "improvements" in IE7. If allowed, I could easily fit the parts of the G**g** toolbar (I guess we have to conceal the work like Vi*g*r* etc. lest our post be filtered out) that I want in place of the search bar and the extra length of the address bar that I don't want. - Ted > > If you fell for a phishing link, the Address Bar shows you where you really are. > > In case you happen to look at it. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Zolaris I am not getting any Address toolbar on my IE7. I also have checked my toolbars but there is no option of address toolbar, so any one can help by which i can get address toolab > Well phising aside, I know that I certainly don't need to waste a whole > layer of toolbar space just for the address bar, back buttons, and [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > > > Zolaris Dave i realize you are paid to promote your company's point of view, but really... I have 10 inches of unused space where the address bar could go and save me a half inch of vertical space; combined with my other toolbar placement i can save a good inch of vertical space... its not much by most peoples standards, but until EVERYONE has a 5 foot by 3 foot monitor we should be able to move and resize as we have always been able to do for the past 8 years or so... besides, i have a decent widescreen monitor and using the wide area is more feasible to me than using the vertical space area.... the vertical space is more precious. Stacking many bars vertically that dont use their space efficiently is just plain bad user interface design. I, too, dont buy the antiphishing argument. Please allow full resize and moveability of toolbars again! Its almost enough to tempt me to go back to ie6. > As I said the fixed address bar that is always displayed is just one small > part of a focus to protect users against the bad guys. It certainly is not [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > Thanks. Funny, my address bar is only a quarter of an inch high. But look...you can't reason with someone who flames a newsgroup over a tiny piece of monitor. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est > Dave i realize you are paid to promote your company's point of view, but > really... I have 10 inches of unused space where the address bar could go and [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks. sorry, meant to say inches of horizontal space, where other toolbars could go, thereby saving much vertical space . the important thing is, my vertical space is more important. and these new non-draggable bars waste it!! > sorry, meant to say inches of horizontal space, where other toolbars > could > go, thereby saving much vertical space . the important thing is, my > vertical > space is more important. and these new non-draggable bars waste it!! Then use F11 and get a full-screen view. (The toolbars re-appear by moving the cursor to the top edge...) > sorry, meant to say inches of horizontal space, where other toolbars > could > go, thereby saving much vertical space . the important thing is, my > vertical > space is more important. and these new non-draggable bars waste it!! I agree. SignatureFrank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM www.fjsmjs.com Do not reply with email I think Dave is a politician. > Having the address bar in a fixed position at the top of the window that is > always displayed is part of the design changes for IE7. This is part of the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >>> > > >>> > Thanks. This "feature" doesn't help anyone. Please Dave, don't take away features that we already had in previous versions. Turning on/off the File Menu with the Alt key is great - that actually saves space but then you take it away with a gigantic address bar. > I think Dave is a politician. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > >>> > > > >>> > Thanks. I have used IE6 in kiosk mode on a local, non-Internet web site where spoofing and such is not a problem. In these cases I simply hid the address bar altogether to reclaim screen space and prevent users from typing directly in it. I believe this is a valid case for relocating/hiding the address bar. I would have preferred this option to be available somewhere in IE7. > Having the address bar in a fixed position at the top of the window that is > always displayed is part of the design changes for IE7. This is part of the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >>> > > >>> > Thanks. WHAT THE HELL DO I NEED AN URL ADDRESS THAT SPANS MY WHOLE SCREEN??? I have NEVER had the need to see ANY URL in its whole length, not on amazon, not on microsoft, no bleepin anywhere. And if I want to see one in its full length I can still do so by moving the mouse over it or clicking into it then move the cursor. You are obviously plying your brain to your Microsoft salary to post this mentally underdevelopped comment. The truth is Microsoft have fixed the address bar and the command bar so that nobody else can occupy that space, especially not Google, and so that it will be ergonomically unfavorable to move the Google toolbar anywhere comfortable. We can all do extremely well without your PR gargle. > Having the address bar in a fixed position at the top of the window that is > always displayed is part of the design changes for IE7. This is part of the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >>> > > >>> > Thanks. Hi, You might find the Quero (www.quero.at) add-on useful. It replaces the fixed address bar, search box and find on page dialog with a flexible address bar-like toolbar, which can be resized and moved around like other 3rd-party toolbars. Best regards, Viktor Krammer Signaturehttp://www.quero.at/ The New Web Experience My laptop is a widescreen. With the address bar on its own line, the go/refresh and stop buttons are more than 3 mouse moves away the center of my screen. Its hard to get there, hard to aim, hard to hit. I'm used to IE6 where I put my links and address bar on the same line, shortening the address space and having stop and refresh buttons in easy reach. IE7 is so unergonomic in this respect that I am at the point of returning back to IE6 (or worse - to firefox) to be able to put the address bar where by fingers are trained to find it! Hi Everyone here ;) I have the same problems with the address bar. I'm a bit sad - though amused at som points - in this discussion... Still looking for an answer to a question posted earlier: What have all these security issues to do with a fixed address bar - placed at a totally wrong place??? Get serious and fix the problem - how hard can it be? Should we really consider Firefox - it seems to me, that MS wants to make all my choises about how my bars and stuff should be arranged - not very flexible... SignatureSkipper - Denmark I was pleased to see the new tab arrangement but when I settled down to customise my toobars as I've done in IE6 I was very dismayed and disappointed that Microsoft had done a 'backflip' and taken functionality OUT! Please, please, please restore our ability to resize and reposition the search/URL bar, our custom toolbars, the forward/back buttons, favorite button I now have TOO MUCH WASTED SPACE at the top of my browser. Also as a Tablet user I'm usually in portrait mode so this is much worse for me personally than the other posters. Signature> My laptop is a widescreen. With the address bar on its own line, the > go/refresh and stop buttons are more than 3 mouse moves away the center of my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > (or worse - to firefox) to be able to put the address bar where by fingers > are trained to find it! I agree wholeheartedly. I also just installed IE7 and the intractable, ridiculously-wide address bar is just stupid. It took me a while to even convince myself that indeed you can't even customize. I don't want to hear any baloney about paternalistic good intentions about phishing protection. Couple that w/ buttons illogically and immoveably slapped all over the place. This is just a braindead stupid implementation that should be fixed immediately. Please give me a way to shrink the address bar and customize where the elements that I want to use go. I'm just shaking my head in disbelief over this blunder. > I was pleased to see the new tab arrangement but when I settled down to > customise my toobars as I've done in IE6 I was very dismayed and disappointed [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > (or worse - to firefox) to be able to put the address bar where by fingers > > are trained to find it! It is no blunder. IE7 XP uses the same base code as IE7 in Vista does. That is why IE7 in XP has the same interface as IE7 in Vista. If you plan to move up to Vista this is what you will get. >I agree wholeheartedly. > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >> > fingers >> > are trained to find it! Sounds like pretzel logic to me. It's not a blunder because it leverages something else that's (apparently) beyond reproach? It's like saying the leaning tower of Pisa isn't a blunder because it used the same foundation techniques used elsewhere. Rumor has it Vista was to be called Pisa but for trademark issues. > It is no blunder. IE7 XP uses the same base code as IE7 in Vista does. That > is why IE7 in XP has the same interface as IE7 in Vista. If you plan to move [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > >> > fingers > >> > are trained to find it! >I agree wholeheartedly. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > This is just a braindead stupid implementation that should be fixed > immediately. I agree. Maybe some later version? I hope so. But it won't be fixed immediately, "should" or not. SignatureFrank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM http://www.fjsmjs.com Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail. I dont like it fix it or lose a customer microsoft ill be using another programme to surf the net! > >I agree wholeheartedly. > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Maybe some later version? I hope so. But it won't be fixed immediately, > "should" or not. >I dont like it fix it or lose a customer microsoft ill be using another > programme to surf the net! Okay. I don't work for Microsoft and I don't care what browser you use. SignatureFrank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM http://www.fjsmjs.com Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail. The Placing of address bar above the standard Menu bar is a Confirmation that still Microsoft is having lot of dumb designers. Even though their argument abour phishing site is acceptable It does not mean that It has to be place at the topmost of the browser wher User has to strain always to look for the URL. I would love it to be ther at the side of the menubar (Unused place). Also I can't understand the search provider window. I have a google Tool bar and there is always an unwanted search box at there laughing at me and Telling ( "You Stupid You should always install only Second Editions (SE) from Microsoft. you should know by now") But I think Microsoft Do not want user to Install Yahoo and Google Tool Bar Any way 3 cheers to MOZILLA FIREFOX regards sajithkumar See the first 2 tweaks listed here http://www.enhanceie.com/ie/tweaks.asp Steve > The Placing of address bar above the standard Menu bar is a > Confirmation that still Microsoft is having lot of dumb designers. Even [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > sajithkumar This is not what the people want Mr. Dave Massy! All you brainiacs at Microsoft are worried about is the lawsuits some lawyers will think of because of these phishing sites stealing data from using your product. Might you (Microsoft) have thought about using the status bar to achieve this function? Make that the permanent display area for the addresses. Give the people what they want not what you think they want. Sometimes the smartest people lack one thing:Commom Sense. Please,restore our ability to resize and reposition the search/URL bar,our custom toolbars, the forward/back buttons,favorite buttons. I think I'll be going back to IE 6 now and take my chances. I Agree with the majority of this post The command bar should be at the top of the frame and also be adjustable (like most programs are- at least the programs I have seen including other browsers) The nevigation bar should then be the next bar down and also be adjustable especially keep the key buttons together (back forward refresh stop) Couldn't refresh and stop actually be one button too ? The address bar should be about 1/3 of it's current size Most of the buttons MS is trying to get us to use could all be tucked up into a space not much thicker than the current "command" bar which would save me about 1/2" on my 15.4" screen Sure go ahead set it any way you want as a default but let us modify it the way we want it I still use Netscape (which I think is based on Firefox) but I WANT MS TO GET IT RIGHT Sometimes I feel as if MS is just a big dumb bully like I knew in 4th grade Sure he was bigger than me and stole my lunch money every Friday BUT I still felt sorry for him because he was just so DUMB ! > This is not what the people want Mr. Dave Massy! All you brainiacs at > Microsoft are worried about is the lawsuits some lawyers will think of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > custom toolbars, the forward/back buttons,favorite buttons. > I think I'll be going back to IE 6 now and take my chances. > Sometimes I feel as if MS is just a big dumb bully like I knew in 4th > grade > Sure he was bigger than me and stole my lunch money every Friday BUT I > still > felt sorry for him because he was just so DUMB ! Then you deserve everything you get! There ARE viable alternatives to MS.... |
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