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Subfolders in Favorites do not collapse

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Jan - 24 Oct 2006 17:14 GMT
In my Favorites folder I have subfolders. When I opened folder "a" in IE6 and
after that folder "b" folder "a" was closed again. I am pretty sure IE7 did
that too up till now. Can I change this in a setting somewhere?
Kai Schaetzl - 24 Oct 2006 20:49 GMT
Jan schrieb am Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:14:03 -0700:

> I am pretty sure IE7 did
> that too up till now. Can I change this in a setting somewhere?

No, they use a dropdown menu control now and those menus don't have any
collapsing. This happens only when you add Favorites.

Kai
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Coral Benton - 24 Oct 2006 21:05 GMT
This is definitely not an improvement. This makes using favorites so much
harder. I am not liking this at all.

> Jan schrieb am Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:14:03 -0700:
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Kai Schaetzl - 24 Oct 2006 22:31 GMT
Coral Benton schrieb am Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:05:01 -0700:

> This is definitely not an improvement. This makes using favorites so much
> harder. I am not liking this at all.

it is an improvement if the numbers of folders isn't that high. If it's
quite high some people may like it, some don't.

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hurricane51 - 26 Oct 2006 23:23 GMT
How, exactly, is this an improvement? I'd really like to know. How is
removing the ability to do something in a way that we have become
accustomed to doing, without replacing it with a similar tool, an
improvement? IE7 provides that ability in the Managing Favorites
interface, but not in the Add Favorites interface? It doesn't provide a
flag for setting in the Internet Options - Advanced?

Maybe for users who only have a few Favorites folders it is OK. For
anyone else it's a burden.

More examples of Microsoft's dumbing down of the interfaces to apps.
Like spreading the icons on the toolbars around and then giving the
user limited cutomization options. They used to provide at least two
ways of doing things, and often many more. Now they are saying, 'YOU
WILL DO IT THIS WAY!" It's like the airlines telling us that, "For your
convenience, we will no longer provide overhead storage". Or a hotel
removing ice machines from each floor and replacing them with a sign
reading, "For your convenience, call down to the desk if you want ice."

WHOSE convenience does this serve?

I can't wait 'til they start removing keyboard shortcuts.

> Coral Benton schrieb am Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:05:01 -0700:
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Kai Schaetzl - 27 Oct 2006 11:31 GMT
Hurricane51 schrieb am 26 Oct 2006 15:23:01 -0700:

> How, exactly, is this an improvement?

I explained it to you, just read it carefully.

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hurricane51 - 04 Nov 2006 03:10 GMT
You know, I always know there is a person anxious to help when they
respond with something brilliant like "Read slowly, I just told you."
It's the written equivalent of shouting the same thing, only louder.

An improvement is something applies to a majority of users. Now, not
get into an argument about how YOU do something and how I do something,
can we agree on something that lets us BOTH do something to aour
satisfaction would be an improvement?

As I examine this particular interface, it just feels unfinished. It
could easily be fixed with a flag in the Advanced options to either
auto-expand the hierarchy of Favorites. Voila! All parties would have
what they wanted.

> Hurricane51 schrieb am 26 Oct 2006 15:23:01 -0700:
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bdc - 02 Jul 2008 15:30 GMT
Read it “carefully”  sure it says if you don’t used IE 7 favorite the way you
want to the way you previously had it is better? Well even with a few folder
it still sucks

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Aleksandar Katanovic - 12 Nov 2006 20:04 GMT
> Coral Benton schrieb am Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:05:01 -0700:
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Hi Kai

Could you please explain why it is an improvement even if we consider that
the numbers of folders isn't high? You said elsewhere that you have explained
this, but I do not find your post dealing with this issue.

I think that it is not an improvement for two reasons:

1) An average user has many favorites. Many also find it as a good idea to
organize favorites, especially if one has a lot of them, in folders and
subfolders. So, an average user would have a high number of folders in the
FAVORITES. As you also concede, it is not an improvement if the number of
folders is high.

2) If you remove some option and force people to do have it only in one way
then generally it is not an improvement. In IE 7 it is removed the option to
collapse folders when one wants to add favorites in desired folders.

Alex
Kai Schaetzl - 12 Nov 2006 21:31 GMT
Aleksandar Katanovic schrieb am Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:04:02 -0800:

> Could you please explain why it is an improvement even if we consider that
> the numbers of folders isn't high?

not "even if", only "if". It's obvious, isn't it? It's faster, much faster.
You don't have to click, click and click before you can finally add your
favorite. Works especially nice with a scroll mouse.

I can understand your arguments.

Kai
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Robert Aldwinckle - 25 Oct 2006 16:53 GMT
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>> This happens only when you add Favorites.

Only when you add Favorites using the Organize Favorites tool
(or press Ctrl-d)?

> This is definitely not an improvement. This makes using favorites so much
> harder. I am not liking this at all.

Ctrl-d  is much improved in spite of this issue.
Before you could even direct a new page to a subfolder
using that tool.

Organzie Favorites may still be awkward but anybody who
needed to do some serious organizing of Favorites would
usually resort to doing it via an Explorer window or a third-party
utility.

I don't see that anything is "harder" at all.

Robert Aldwinckle
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redwood - 29 Oct 2006 11:02 GMT
I agree.  I happen to have a lot of favorites in folders and sub-folders.  It
is not an improvement if I have to scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll
and scroll and scroll and scroll.  Hopefully, my point is taken.

Imagine these forum listings on the left, if they were ALL expanded ALL the
time without the ability to collapse.

Being told to use a third-party program is not a solution for a work in
progress.

> This is definitely not an improvement. This makes using favorites so much
> harder. I am not liking this at all.
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mikey - 24 Oct 2006 23:16 GMT
have you tried the IE option to close unused folders .
disable  it.

mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com

In my Favorites folder I have subfolders. When I opened folder "a" in IE6 and
after that folder "b" folder "a" was closed again. I am pretty sure IE7 did
that too up till now. Can I change this in a setting somewhere?
Pat - 25 Oct 2006 02:45 GMT
You have the Right Click Collapse option when using favorites.
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> have you tried the IE option to close unused folders .
> disable  it.
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> after that folder "b" folder "a" was closed again. I am pretty sure IE7 did
> that too up till now. Can I change this in a setting somewhere?
Jan - 02 Nov 2006 18:23 GMT
Sorry for the late response but that's what helped me out.

Thanks

> have you tried the IE option to close unused folders .
> disable  it.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> after that folder "b" folder "a" was closed again. I am pretty sure IE7 did
> that too up till now. Can I change this in a setting somewhere?
jwasserb - 13 Feb 2007 05:53 GMT
This worked for me too.  From the searching I did on the net this fix needs
to be spread out on the net more cuse there are alot of people with this
problem and their all saying there is no fix for it.

> have you tried the IE option to close unused folders .
> disable  it.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> after that folder "b" folder "a" was closed again. I am pretty sure IE7 did
> that too up till now. Can I change this in a setting somewhere?
 
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