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MuadDib - 27 Oct 2006 18:45 GMT
What a load of old rubbish this IE7 is. It does not let you alter the size of
the address bar which enables me to put a toolbar up next to it. The toolbars
you cannot keep in one place therfore the window is now smaller instead of
being more spacious. If you lock them they all go back to how they were
before I moved them.
The only way to keep the toolbar small or thin is to take out the tick next
to them but this defeats the objective of having my toolbars open. This is
just so annoying it does not make sense to have such a long address bar. This
is a really annoying move by microsoft do they even care what we think. So to
sum up I have to take all the ticks out of the customise toolbars just to
keep it from taking up too much space. Bring back IE6 this used to work
brilliantly.
I think I will have to go back to firefox.
Altimer McDaniel - 28 Oct 2006 09:00 GMT
>What a load of old rubbish this IE7 is. It does not let you alter the size of
>the address bar which enables me to put a toolbar up next to it. The toolbars
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>brilliantly.
>I think I will have to go back to firefox.

It isn't that they will not make it more customizable, it is that they
actually don't have the knowledge to know how to do it.  

They would make it a good as Opera and Firefox, but they simply don't
have the technological expertise within their company to accomplish
this goal.  No one wants to have a sub-par browser on purpose.

Altie
Lars-Erik Østerud - 28 Oct 2006 13:08 GMT
> It isn't that they will not make it more customizable, it is that they
> actually don't have the knowledge to know how to do it.  

Couldn't they have kept the system from IE6. Works perfectly!
And just added the new menus, skins etc to the IE6 toolbar system?

It could have looked like this (a bit cut'n'paste):
http://home.chello.no/~larse/IE7layout.jpg
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Altimer McDaniel - 28 Oct 2006 16:55 GMT
>> It isn't that they will not make it more customizable, it is that they
>> actually don't have the knowledge to know how to do it.  
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>It could have looked like this (a bit cut'n'paste):
>http://home.chello.no/~larse/IE7layout.jpg

It would seem like they could have kept the design from IE6,
Lars-Erik.  I think most everyone wishes that they would have done
just that, now.

If I say what I think of the overall design of the browser it would
only be over-kill.  I am sure it has been said a thousand times
already.

I will say that one would have imagined that coming from a company
that just about put Netscape out of business, with innovative design
and usability with their first several versions of IE, something
better would have been put out on the market than what they gave us
with IE 7.

Altie

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Hasbro35 - 30 Oct 2006 18:24 GMT
I second Lars-Erik's suggestions for a potential toolbar modification.  
Customizablility is what makes Firefox such a strong competitior to IE.  
Microsoft...please take note.

> > It isn't that they will not make it more customizable, it is that they
> > actually don't have the knowledge to know how to do it.  
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> It could have looked like this (a bit cut'n'paste):
> http://home.chello.no/~larse/IE7layout.jpg
Hasbro35 - 30 Oct 2006 18:22 GMT
I just wanted to second MuadDib's comments.  The toolbar management
definitely took a step backwards with IE7.  Although I'm not as concerned
about the real-estate on the top toolbar there definitely needs to be a
"save-state" for the toolbars when you re-arrange them.

> What a load of old rubbish this IE7 is. It does not let you alter the size of
> the address bar which enables me to put a toolbar up next to it. The toolbars
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> brilliantly.
> I think I will have to go back to firefox.
firefox_guru - 01 Nov 2006 22:49 GMT
YES do go back to firefox it rules i'd never use ie
ElaineS - 10 Nov 2006 16:31 GMT
I have to agree.  IE6 gave me the toolbar location flexibility I wanted, and
IE7 is many steps backwards.  I have uninstalled IE7 and will not return
until this is fixed.

Why give the user less flexibility?
Blackbird - 31 Jan 2007 12:48 GMT
The toolbars must be made customizable! When I installed IE7 a button called
"Adobe PDF" showed up between the adress bar and the tabs. It was completely
alone on that line, hence it used a lot of space. I wanted to move this
button (which is to create PDFs from web pages) next to one of the other
buttons (Home, RSS,...). Nope. That was not possible. So either the button
needs a whole toolbar from the left to the right side of the screen, or I
must remove it by right-clicking the toolbars and uncheck it to hide the
whole bar. Not good.

I tried to show the good, old Menu bar, and then I actually was able to put
the Adobe PDF button next to and below the row of text (File, Edit,... ) on
the same toolbar as these. But why would I want to put it there?

So I tried to move it around some more, and the last time I let go of the
left mouse button while "holding" the "Adobe PDF" button, it simply
disappeared. The whole toolbar whith this lone button was completely gone. I
tried to right click the toolbar area again, and even though I tried to check
the Adobe PDF toolbar, nothing happened, and it unchecked itself! It feels
almost like someone is having fun with me, but I'm not laughing.

I also would like to move the toolbar of buttons (Home, RSS, Print,...) to
the left side of the screen (where the Menu bar's default location is when it
is visible), and I was willing to accept try using IE7 without the Menu bar
(maybe I don't need it). No, I am not allowed to do that. Why not??

I would also like the adress line to be shorter and movable. It takes up too
much space (and I don't need to read website adresses longer than what my
mind can remember anyway). If I ever need to edit a long adress, I can use
the arrow keys on my keyboard.

The Favourites has the ability to dock to the left side of the screen. I
click the green arrow and it docks nicely. And yes, please, I would like it
to be like that every time. I close the Favourites and later open it again.
Hey! It is undocked again, floating above the web page! Why? I think Opera
has a great solution here.

Hey, just a small comment more: When I click the favourites while writing
here, the cursor jumps from _HERE_ to the top of this window where I enter
the text, so that I have to scroll back down here to continue writing...
Thank you for yet another annoying bug! I have found more bugs too, but they
do not belong to the toolbar category of problems.

I think I will go back to Opera while I wait for the next version of IE to
be released.

- Blackbird

> What a load of old rubbish this IE7 is. It does not let you alter the size of
> the address bar which enables me to put a toolbar up next to it. The toolbars
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> brilliantly.
> I think I will have to go back to firefox.
JoeH1616 - 11 Feb 2007 04:10 GMT
just adding to the list of people that agree MS kinda screwed up with the
toolbars in IE7 and should just suck it up and fix it, shouldn't be all that
hard, able to do it ok in IE6, why not IE7, even go a step past what was done
in IE6 and borrow an idea from firefox allowing the user to place each
command/button where we want it. for example, if we want the back button to
be on the left side of our toolbar and the forward button all the way on the
right, then why the hell shouldn't we be able to do it? (I don't think anyone
would actually do that, but just an example)
also notice other bugs not toolbar related and have to agree that I plan on
sticking to a different browser til some of these annoying little problems
are fixed..

*if possible someone should change this thread to a 'Suggestions for
Microsoft' instead of whatever it is considered now, I'm guessing if it can
be done only MuadDib can do it since he/she created the thread.
Leafgreen - 04 Aug 2007 19:40 GMT
I agree and am switching back to IE6.

> What a load of old rubbish this IE7 is. It does not let you alter the size of
> the address bar which enables me to put a toolbar up next to it. The toolbars
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> brilliantly.
> I think I will have to go back to firefox.
siljaline - 04 Aug 2007 20:28 GMT
>I agree and am switching back to IE6.
<snip>
You are discouraged from doing this simply in that IE7 is a much more
secure Browser.
I have yet to have an issue with IE7!

Silj

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NotMe - 05 Aug 2007 00:08 GMT
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>>I agree and am switching back to IE6.
> <snip>

> You are discouraged from doing this simply in that IE7 is a much more
> secure Browser.
> I have yet to have an issue with IE7!
> Silj
Lars-Erik Østerud - 05 Aug 2007 13:43 GMT
> I agree and am switching back to IE6.

The IE7 experience made me change to Firefox.
There I can make my own look.
See here: http://osterud.name/firefox.html
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okshila - 14 May 2008 16:13 GMT
I agree with you wholeheartedly.  I recently got a new laptop with Vista and
IE7 and I feel like I've returned to the laptops of the early 90s.  I hate
MICROSOFT!  I'm no technical wizard which is what makes this even more
frustrating.  There is no help available, and the answers I read in here
sound like they come from the computer-geeks-from-hell department.  This will
be my last pc ever.  But, not being rich, I'm wondering how I can switch to
Firefox?  Does that mean I can't use Outlook Express for calendaring, mail,
etc.?  

> What a load of old rubbish this IE7 is. It does not let you alter the size of
> the address bar which enables me to put a toolbar up next to it. The toolbars
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> brilliantly.
> I think I will have to go back to firefox.
PA Bear [MS MVP] - 14 May 2008 16:53 GMT
Outlook Express is only available in WinXP and earlier.

Outlook Express does not include calendaring.

PS: You could begin a new thread about whatever problem's /you/ are having
with IE7 in Vista.
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> I agree with you wholeheartedly.  I recently got a new laptop with Vista
> and
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>> this used to work brilliantly.
>> I think I will have to go back to firefox.
okshila - 14 May 2008 17:27 GMT
Ok, then, Outlook , whatever.  The problem in IE7 is that on several
websites, especially chat and photo websites with downloads, the program
freezes or simply acts as if it has completed the task when it hasn't leaving
me with no alternative but to try again with the same result.  There is no
error message or anything, it just doesn't perform the download or link or
whatever.  Additionally it doesn't seem to want to connect to any wireless
sources except mine at home.  For instance, in a cafe, on a non-secure
network it won't connect.    

> Outlook Express is only available in WinXP and earlier.
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> >> this used to work brilliantly.
> >> I think I will have to go back to firefox.
PA Bear [MS MVP] - 14 May 2008 19:44 GMT
This is a new thread?

In no certain order:

How to troubleshoot network connectivity problems in Internet Explorer:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936211

How to troubleshoot Internet Explorer 7 issues in Windows Vista:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936215

How to optimize or reset Internet Explorer 7:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936213

Internet Explorer stops responding, stops working, or restarts (Guided Help)
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/pc_ie_intro

> Ok, then, Outlook , whatever.  The problem in IE7 is that on several
> websites, especially chat and photo websites with downloads, the program
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>>>> this used to work brilliantly.
>>>> I think I will have to go back to firefox.
Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM - 14 May 2008 20:48 GMT
> Ok, then, Outlook , whatever.  The problem in IE7 is that on several
> websites, especially chat and photo websites with downloads, the program
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> sources except mine at home.  For instance, in a cafe, on a non-secure
> network it won't connect.

I know of three causes for the vast majority of such problems:
1. You might have incompatible add-ons:
Go to Start | All Programs | Accessories | System Tools
and click Internet Explorer (No Add-ons).

2. Tools | Internet Options | Advanced
Scroll to the bottom and click Reset Internet Explorer Settings.  Read this
article first:
How to use Reset Internet Explorer Settings (RIES):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923737
Note that the Reset IE Settings button will delete AutoComplete data (such
as passwords.) Do you have those backed up?

3. Malware already installed on the computer:  Help with malware
All  MS-MVP Sites.
http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
http://aumha.org/a/quickfix.htm
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/darnit.html
http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/Malware_Defence.htm

Unexplained computer behavior may be caused by deceptive software.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827315

So How Did I Get Infected Anyway?
For quite a few people it's by installing programs like Messenger Plus,
whose ads for
malware don't identify the malware as such and try to convince you that you
owe it to the author.  See also:
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=27971
Don't ever do a "default" install of anything.  Always choose Custom and see
what else is being carried along.  Don't install any extras you're not sure
of.

You might also try the steps here:
"Internet Explorer stops responding, stops working, or restarts"
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/pc_ie_intro

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Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM - 14 May 2008 17:22 GMT
>I agree with you wholeheartedly.  I recently got a new laptop with Vista
>and
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> mail,
> etc.?

All you have to do to use Firefox is to download it
(http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/).  It will not interfere with Outlook
Express except that you might have to copy and paste links instead of
clicking them.

You won't be able to use Outlook Express for calendaring, but then you never
could.

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