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Windows Forum / Internet Explorer / General Topics / October 2007IE7 Toolbar Annoyance Solved!
Thanks to a comment elsewhere on this site I have confirmed why many of us are experiencing problems customizing the IE7 toolbar and locking down our settings once and for all, without the customizations randomly rearranging themselves next time we run IE7. While I cannot confirm that it is the ONLY cause, for sure the GOOGLE toolbar is causing the problem on my machine and many others, apparently. If you are suffering from misbehaved toolbar items that repeatedly rearrange themselves even if you have "locked" the toolbar, (including eating into your viewing area by adding more bars,) and you have the Google toolbar installed, then here is the workaround: Without further intervention the Goolge toolbar insists on its own bar, with the search box set to the far LEFT side of the screen. That is the source of the problem. You must place some toolbar item to the LEFT of the Google search box. Tools>Toolbars>(Uncheck)Lock the Toolbars Drag any one of your toolbar items to the same line as the Google toolbar and position it to the LEFT of the search box. (I used a link to my Yahoo mail box.) Reposition the remainder of your toolbar items as desired below the Google toolbar and then check Lock the Toolbars as above. The problem should be solved.  SignatureWIN-XP(SP2)-Home Yep your right it worked for me also. I just wish I could revert back to the earlier toolbar without the settings button at the far end of the bar. Another thing you may not have seen posted is the link to this web site: http://www.enhanceie.com/ie/tweaks.asp It has a registry fix that will remove IE 7's own search bar. I'm just waiting patiently now for Microsoft to allow us to move things about to OUR liking. I think it may be a long wait though! Roy. Thanks to a comment elsewhere on this site I have confirmed why many of us are experiencing problems customizing the IE7 toolbar and locking down our settings once and for all, without the customizations randomly rearranging themselves next time we run IE7. While I cannot confirm that it is the ONLY cause, for sure the GOOGLE toolbar is causing the problem on my machine and many others, apparently. If you are suffering from misbehaved toolbar items that repeatedly rearrange themselves even if you have "locked" the toolbar, (including eating into your viewing area by adding more bars,) and you have the Google toolbar installed, then here is the workaround: Without further intervention the Goolge toolbar insists on its own bar, with the search box set to the far LEFT side of the screen. That is the source of the problem. You must place some toolbar item to the LEFT of the Google search box. Tools>Toolbars>(Uncheck)Lock the Toolbars Drag any one of your toolbar items to the same line as the Google toolbar and position it to the LEFT of the search box. (I used a link to my Yahoo mail box.) Reposition the remainder of your toolbar items as desired below the Google toolbar and then check Lock the Toolbars as above. The problem should be solved. SignatureWIN-XP(SP2)-Home @MikeyD: Thanks for the explaination. @Roy >I'm just waiting patiently now for Microsoft to allow us to move things about to OUR liking. I think it may be a long wait though! I have addressed this issue by developing an address bar replacement that can be resized and moved around in IE7. http://www.quero.at/ Viktor > @MikeyD: Thanks for the explaination. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Viktor That Quero toolbar looks interesting. When I get home I'm going to download it and try it out. Viktor Krammer schrieb am Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:46:33 +0100: > http://www.quero.at/ Hi Viktor, I've been aware of this toolbar for some time, but didn't install it yet. I just tried it and find that it won't show up in the toolbar list when right-clicking on toolbar space. I have the same problem with the Developer Toolbar and I have it on all PCs with IE7. The add-on is enabled and gets loaded as far as I can tell and there is no policy active for disabling certain add-ons or toolbars - AFAIK. I don't use other toolbars, but I suspect the same would happen to them. Do you have an idea what could prevent toolbars from appearing not even on the context menu? Kai SignatureHelpsites about Windows: http://www.mvps.org IE repair script: http://iefaq.info Hello Kai, > I have the same problem with the Developer Toolbar and I have it on all PCs with IE7. Hmm, this seems strange to me. Just in case that you missed any of the add-on deactivation options: 1 Are you starting IE7 in the no add-ons mode (command line option -extoff) 2 Internet Options > Advanced > Disable 3rd party browser extensions 3 Tools > Manage add-ons 4 Group policies: examine the settings under computer configuration > administrative templates > windows components > internet explorer > Security Features > Add-on Management and user configuration > administrative templates > windows components > internet explorer > Toolbars You can also check whether the toolbars were installed correctly in your registry under \HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar Logged in as an administrator you can try to reinstall the Quero Toolbar from the command line: (change to your Quero installation directory) regsvr32 Quero.dll I hope that you can find the cause why you cannot access your installed toolbars. Viktor Signaturehttp://www.quero.at/ The New Web Experience Viktor Krammer schrieb am Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:51:21 +0100: > 2 Internet Options > Advanced > Disable 3rd party browser extensions Blush. Somehow that had kept from being disabled on those PCs, apparently from doing some tests in this area months ago. I installed the Quero toolbar now on one machine and noticed the following. - you use your own URL auto-complete store it seems, at least none of the existing auto-complete is available anymore. No chance to use the existing IE auto-complete here? - when I type something in the addressbar there's not always a cursor present which makes it look you might be going to overwrite the already existing characters. Actually, when you try it goes on where you stopped. But the cursor is still missing completely. I can repro that when I open a new window and start typing without setting the cursor explicitely in the URL field. The cursor appears right after starting to type. When I then type a few characters and go back erasing them the cursor disappears and won't ever come back, not even when clicking in the area several times. I think I can also make it happen sometimes by opening the auto-complete pulldown, but that is not reproducable. - it seems you can only delete search and URL history *at the same time*? - it would be nice being able to customize the search engine list, there are too much of them which I do not ever wish to use. On the other side I would like to add some or have a German and an English-specific link on the same menu. (might be something for a buyable Pro version) - a 5-hop (or more) history for the back and forward buttons like we have it on most browsers would be nice - coloring the four navigation icons when not active/focussed would help to identify them quicker. It also looks like you overlay the color (when hovering) on top of the grey symbols on the buttons which makes the color stand out very weak. In this respect the new IE7 icons are optimal, just not on the right place. Any chance to reuse them at the right place? There are some interesting features extending the search in the web and also on pages. I've yet to check them out in real world usage. I'm not sure if I will keep it, but I think many people will like it over the current IE7 interface. Kai SignatureHelpsites about Windows: http://www.mvps.org IE repair script: http://iefaq.info Hello Kai, I am glad that you were finally able to activate the add-ons and thanks very much for the comprehensive feedback. > - you use your own URL auto-complete store it seems, at least none of the existing auto-complete is available anymore. No chance to use the existing IE auto-complete here? It would have been possible but it was a design decision to maintain a separate history in order to be more flexible and to implement a quite different logic which URLs are getting stored in the auto-complete list. > - when I type something in the addressbar there's not always a cursor present which makes it look you might be going to overwrite the already existing characters. Actually, when you try it goes on where you stopped. But the cursor is still missing completely. Thanks for the repro steps, I am going to investigate this issue. > - it seems you can only delete search and URL history *at the same time*? The Quero "Clear History" function deletes both Quero's and IE's URL history. > - it would be nice being able to customize the search engine list, there are too much of them which I do not ever wish to use. On the other side I would like to add some or have a German and an English-specific link on the same menu. (might be something for a buyable Pro version) Search customizability is definitely planned for a future version. > - a 5-hop (or more) history for the back and forward buttons like we have it on most browsers would be nice Actually, I have made the navigation history list accessible in Quero by right-clicking on the back or forward button. > - coloring the four navigation icons when not active/focussed would help to identify them quicker. It also looks like you overlay the color (when hovering) on top of the grey symbols on the buttons which makes the color stand out very weak. In this respect the new IE7 icons are optimal, just not on the right place. Any chance to reuse them at the right place? It is already possible to replace the Quero buttons with your own customized theme. Unfortunately, I am afraid that the default IE7 icons are not licensed for reuse in 3rd-party applications, so I avoided using them. Best regards, Viktor Signaturehttp://www.quero.at/ The New Web Experience Viktor Krammer schrieb am Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:18:46 +0100: > > - it seems you can only delete search and URL history *at the same time*? > > The Quero "Clear History" function deletes both Quero's and IE's URL > history. That was not the point of my question. I would like to keep the URL history, basically "forever". But I would like to delete the search history from time to time, since I am probably not going to do the same search again and again. So when I next type something that may hit an existing search term it's possible that I'm actually looking for somethign different or want to access a website. Cleaning just the search terms out makes handling sucha case easier. Not to mention it may speed up the operation a bit (not that it's slow at the moment). > Actually, I have made the navigation history list accessible in Quero by > right-clicking on the back or forward button. Ah, I didn't imagine that. I notice that when I walk from domain to domain the history contains only one entry per domain although I may have visited five pages there. However, when I go back to that domain I suddenly get to see those five pages in the history. Is this intended? > It is already possible to replace the Quero buttons with your own customized > theme. Unfortunately, I am afraid that the default IE7 icons are not > licensed for reuse in 3rd-party applications, so I avoided using them. I didn't find that in your FAQ and didn't consider Themes as being a solution. Usually I avoid all "theming" :-) Thanks, I'll take a look at the SDK. A forum or some such at your site might be nice. Kai SignatureHelpsites about Windows: http://www.mvps.org IE repair script: http://iefaq.info >- when I type something in the addressbar there's not always a cursor present which makes it look you might be going to overwrite the already existing characters. Actually, when you try it goes on where you stopped. But the cursor is still missing completely. I have investigated this issue now and came to the conclusion that this is most likely a bug in IE7. I found out that the Windows Live Toolbar is also affected by the sudden disappearance of the caret. Unfortunately, the official bug tracking site on connect - as you might know - was closed after RTM :-( >> > - it seems you can only delete search and URL history *at the same >> > time*? Now, I got your point. > Ah, I didn't imagine that. I notice that when I walk from domain to domain the history contains only one entry per domain although I may have visited five pages there. However, when I go back to that domain I suddenly get to see those five pages in the history. Is this intended? The history list Quero provides should be identical to that of IE7. So if you linearly visit 5 pages in one domain and then navigate to another domain you should find those 5 pages in the Quero back button list. > I didn't find that in your FAQ and didn't consider Themes as being a > solution. ... A forum or some such at your site might be nice. I know that I have to update the FAQ from time to time ;-) I am currently prioritizing my work on code quality and feature work. Your suggestions are very appreciated. Viktor Krammer Signaturehttp://www.quero.at/ The New Web Experience Good job on the quero toolbar, it is exactly what I was looking for in the way of customizing the IE7 user interface, with the option of closing the search bar, resizing the address bar and placing more icons on the same row. Every user of IE7 worldwide should install this toolbar. Only one problem I've found, whenever I close IE7 it places all of my toolbars on seperate rows, so I have roboform, quero, advanced searchbar on three lines instead of one, plus the tab bar. If you have any suggestions for keeping the toolbars in place during a reboot it would be great. I had the same problem before installing Quero, so it is a problem with IE7 of course. Surprise! > @MikeyD: Thanks for the explaination. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Viktor Xanderman schrieb am Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:14:02 -0800: > Only one problem I've found, whenever I close IE7 it places all of my > toolbars on seperate rows, so I have roboform, quero, advanced searchbar on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I had the same problem before installing Quero, so it is a problem with IE7 > of course. No, it's a common toolbar problem, but not with all of them. Try the recent suggestion which was supposed to fix this for the Google toolbar. Move something left of the toolbar (after you have figured out which of your toolbars actually is the culprit ;-). Kai SignatureHelpsites about Windows: http://www.mvps.org IE repair script: http://iefaq.info I tried moving the bars around, roboform first, then advanced searchbar, then Quero...abs, rf, q...asb, q, rf...rf, q, asb...asb, rf, q... Doesn't seem to matter in what order they are arranged, if I open a new tab, new window, close and reopen or reboot, the toolbars are rearranged so each is on a different line taking four rows in total. Thanks for the suggestion, though. > Xanderman schrieb am Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:14:02 -0800: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Kai Xanderman schrieb am Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:47:01 -0800: > Thanks for the suggestion, though. Maybe it only works if you have one offending toolbar, I don't know. Kai SignatureHelpsites about Windows: http://www.mvps.org IE repair script: http://iefaq.info Hello xanderman, Thanks for the feedback :-) > Only one problem I've found, whenever I close IE7 it places all of my > toolbars on seperate rows, so I have roboform, quero, advanced searchbar on > three lines instead of one, plus the tab bar. As Kai pointed out the Google Toolbar can cause this problem, but since you do not have it installed it must be one of the other two. Have you installed the latest versions of each of the toolbars? Of course it is also likely this it is a bug in IE7 ;-) You can try uninstalling all toolbars (or simply deactivating them with Manage add-ons) and installing (activating) one toolbar at the time and testing it with the Links or Menu bar for example to find out which toolbar does not keep its place after reopening IE. Viktor Signaturehttp://www.quero.at/ The New Web Experience Viktor Krammer schrieb am Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:01:40 +0100: > but since you > do not have it installed it must be one of the other two. Yeah, I can confirm that. With only Quero and Developer toolbar installed, plus Classic and Links menu activated, all on one bands. Everything just stays were it should, no moving around or expanding. Kai SignatureHelpsites about Windows: http://www.mvps.org IE repair script: http://iefaq.info Sounds Good. Now how do I drag the item? I've tried the normal way but is there a certain way to drag with IE&? > Thanks to a comment elsewhere on this site I have confirmed why many of us > are experiencing problems customizing the IE7 toolbar and locking down our [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > toolbar and then check Lock the Toolbars as above. The problem should be > solved. Just left-click on the item and drag it up, down or sideways, then release the mouse button at the desired position. SignatureWIN-XP(SP2)-Home > Sounds Good. Now how do I drag the item? I've tried the normal way but is > there a certain way to drag with IE&? [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > toolbar and then check Lock the Toolbars as above. The problem should be > > solved. Thanks a ton ... fix worked for me. I couldn't believe that IE7 kept resetting the toolbars - I started doubting myself about the changes I thought I had made. Any fix dates from MS or Google ? GD. > Thanks to a comment elsewhere on this site I have confirmed why many of us > are experiencing problems customizing the IE7 toolbar and locking down our > settings once and for all, without the customizations randomly rearranging > themselves next time we run IE7. My guess is that the problem lies with Google, but I have not posted anything at their site, yet, because I have been too busy the past few days (and therefore have had no opportunity for a more precise diagnosis.) I was kind of hoping that one of the Softies or MVPs monitoring this site would read this thread and report the problem so we can have a fix rather than just a workaround. SignatureWIN-XP(SP2)-Home > Thanks a ton ... fix worked for me. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > settings once and for all, without the customizations randomly rearranging > > themselves next time we run IE7. Glory halleluiah, it worked!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you - that toolbar thing has been driving me completely nuts! > Thanks to a comment elsewhere on this site I have confirmed why many of us > are experiencing problems customizing the IE7 toolbar and locking down our [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > toolbar and then check Lock the Toolbars as above. The problem should be > solved. I recently downloaded IE7 and am hating the extra menu bar at the top, the one with the icons, star, etc. I like the old 'file. edit. view favorites...' etc. don't need another bar taking up my screen space. How can I loose this bar? I know I can hide the menu bar, but I like that one, it's the new one I want gone! Thanks for any help.......D Signaturemikeyandclaireandtom > Thanks to a comment elsewhere on this site I have confirmed why many of us > are experiencing problems customizing the IE7 toolbar and locking down our [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > toolbar and then check Lock the Toolbars as above. The problem should be > solved. Hi, You will not be able to eliminate the Favorites Center (stars) but there are some customizations available for the IE7 toolbar. See: www.enhanceie.com > Tweaks Quero toolbar http://www.quero.at/ http://www.iecustomizer.com/ Browser shells (overlays) which use the IE engine: Maxthon browser http://www.maxthon.com/ Avant browser http://www.avantbrowser.com/ Hope this helps, Don [MS MVP- IE] > I recently downloaded IE7 and am hating the extra menu bar at the top, the > one with the icons, star, etc. I like the old 'file. edit. view favorites...' [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > mikeyandclaireandtom [snip] Sorry for the delay in responding. I was unavailable. You cannot get rid of the favorites center stars; it's part of the header for that particular display and the link to display your favorites (bookmarks). However, you can rid yourself of the other icons for page, tools, print, home, etc. (if that is what you are referring to) as follows: CLICK: tools>toolbars>[uncheck] lock toolbars>customize Now click each of the icons showing on the "Current Toolbar Buttons" list on the right, and then click the remove button, in turn (including the "blank" separator icons). That should remove all the icons. Then go back and lock the toolbar to prevent any of them from reappearing. You will still have a "bar," but it will be empty and that is the same line where the new tabs feature in IE7 displays the tabs for open pages. SignatureWIN-XP(SP2)-Home > I recently downloaded IE7 and am hating the extra menu bar at the top, the > one with the icons, star, etc. I like the old 'file. edit. view favorites...' [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > toolbar and then check Lock the Toolbars as above. The problem should be > > solved. |
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