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Windows Forum / Internet Explorer / General Topics / June 2007Useless back button
I am using IE7 after using Firefox (god forgive me) for several months. Maybe I am just used to the way that software works, but what is the only thing that is really bugging me about IE7 is the useless back button. When I click back, I want to go back, I don't want to redownload the page, or get a 'webpage has expired' message - I want to go back, to exactly how the webpage was before I went forward. I can't be the only one who is annoyed that any input fields are wiped if we make a mistake or loose the connection - so my suggestion is, make the back button do what it is suppose to do, and not reload the page, but just go back to how tha page was. Thanks >I am using IE7 after using Firefox (god forgive me) for several months. > Maybe I am just used to the way that software works, but what is the only [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then The page expires because the web page author designed that way, not a problem with IE. Many pages that use input fields are designed to expire if you go back as a protection of the user's data. IE is just now enforcing the security rules with version 7. > click "I Agree" in the message pane. > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx?mid=58c8 96ad-534d-46b1-8bd1-70787ae04bbe&dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general I'm having the same problem with a simple asp.net 2 application. The interesting thing is that on my local machine there is no problem but when accessing the website from the ISPs server then there is a problem. The client browser (IE7) and machine are the same and the application is the same. This suggests that there might be something in IIS that might be different? These web pages do no have an 'expire' clause in the HTML HEAD. > I am using IE7 after using Firefox (god forgive me) for several months. > Maybe I am just used to the way that software works, but what is the only [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx?mid=58c8 96ad-534d-46b1-8bd1-70787ae04bbe&dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general I am having the same problem as ProfessorPiggy. It just started in the last month or so and it is driving me crazy. The back button constantly takes me to the webpage expired message. Happens mostly on shopping sites. Contacted one webmaster and they said it was an ISP problem! It's interesting that it constantly happens with IE7 and infrequently with Firefox. Haven't been able to locate any support information that has helped to date. If it can't be remedied I will definitely make Firefox my browser. > I'm having the same problem with a simple asp.net 2 application. The > interesting thing is that on my local machine there is no problem but when [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx?mid=58c8 96ad-534d-46b1-8bd1-70787ae04bbe&dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general > I am having the same problem as ProfessorPiggy. It just started in the > last month or so and it is driving me crazy. The back button constantly [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > has helped to date. If it can't be remedied I will definitely make > Firefox my browser. Check your IE settings under Tools>Internet Options>General>Browsing history>Settings>Check for newer versions of stored pages Make sure it's NOT set to Every time I visit the webpage. I would suggest trying Every time I start Internet Explorer. >> I'm having the same problem with a simple asp.net 2 application. The >> interesting thing is that on my local machine there is no problem but [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> > x?mid=58c896ad-534d-46b1-8bd1-70787ae04bbe&dg=microsoft.public.interne >> > texplorer.general I tried your suggestion and it seemed to work for a few minutes but that is all. Tried other options available there except for "never" but none worked. Am still having the same problem today. It is so frustrating!!! It has certainly taken the fun out of browsing/shopping. I am not a novice computer user and have always been able to remedy a problem but this one has me at a loss. I recently updated my Norton Security Suite but I was having this problem before that, I think. Am ready to uninstall Norton and try McAfee. I'm sure it started happening after some update of something or other. I find it hard to believe that more people aren't having this same problem. HELP PLEASE!!! > > I am having the same problem as ProfessorPiggy. It just started in the > > last month or so and it is driving me crazy. The back button constantly [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >> > x?mid=58c896ad-534d-46b1-8bd1-70787ae04bbe&dg=microsoft.public.interne > >> > texplorer.general > I tried your suggestion and it seemed to work for a few minutes but that > is all. Tried other options available there except for "never" but none [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > after some update of something or other. I find it hard to believe that > more people aren't having this same problem. HELP PLEASE!!! How big is your browser cache? You may wish to increase it's size. Note that many shopping sites use dynamic content and it's not going to work regardless of the browser/settings you have. >> > I am having the same problem as ProfessorPiggy. It just started in >> > the last month or so and it is driving me crazy. The back button [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> >> > x?mid=58c896ad-534d-46b1-8bd1-70787ae04bbe&dg=microsoft.public.inte >> >> > rne texplorer.general My browser cache is at the max of 1024mb. What is strange is that I have been shopping these sites for years and have never had this problem before. Why all of a sudden? > > I tried your suggestion and it seemed to work for a few minutes but that > > is all. Tried other options available there except for "never" but none [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > >> >> > x?mid=58c896ad-534d-46b1-8bd1-70787ae04bbe&dg=microsoft.public.inte > >> >> > rne texplorer.general > My browser cache is at the max of 1024mb. What is strange is that I have > been shopping these sites for years and have never had this problem before. > Why all of a sudden? Because the site (or if a caching server is involved, an intermediate node in the path) changed the headers or otherwise changed the cacheability of the page. Unless you can use the Back button in Working Offline mode (e.g. press Alt-F,W before using Alt-CursorLeft) the page is not cacheable. Then checking/re-requesting the page with all the built-up form variables will give you that message. >>>> Check your IE settings under Tools>Internet Options>General>Browsing >>>> history>Settings>Check for newer versions of stored pages ... >>> Tried other options available there except for "never" but none worked. "Never" is what you could have tried as an alternative to setting Work Offline. ; ) Use FiddlerTool to see why the page is being checked/re-requested and what the server/intermediate cache is doing in response. HTH Robert Aldwinckle --- Full thread: http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?&query=profes sorpiggy+phansee&lang=en&cr=US&guid=&sloc=en-us&dg=microsoft.public.internetexpl orer.general&p=1&tid=58c896ad-534d-46b1-8bd1-70787ae04bbe&mid=58c896ad-534d-46b1 -8bd1-70787ae04bbe I tried Work Offline and Never, neither worked. I don't have FiddlerTool and am not familiar with it. Searched it and was going to download it but I'm not feeling comfortable with it. It seems a little above my expertise level although would not be afraid to try it with guidance. Would it help remedy the situation? Would referring the site's webmaster to this conversation be of help? > > My browser cache is at the max of 1024mb. What is strange is that I have > > been shopping these sites for years and have never had this problem before. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?&query=profes sorpiggy+phansee&lang=en&cr=US&guid=&sloc=en-us&dg=microsoft.public.internetexpl orer.general&p=1&tid=58c896ad-534d-46b1-8bd1-70787ae04bbe&mid=58c896ad-534d-46b1 -8bd1-70787ae04bbe add my name to the list of frustrated users. tried all suggestions here and none worked  Signaturetu > I tried Work Offline and Never, neither worked. I don't have FiddlerTool and > am not familiar with it. Searched it and was going to download it but I'm [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?&query=profes sorpiggy+phansee&lang=en&cr=US&guid=&sloc=en-us&dg=microsoft.public.internetexpl orer.general&p=1&tid=58c896ad-534d-46b1-8bd1-70787ae04bbe&mid=58c896ad-534d-46b1 -8bd1-70787ae04bbe =?Utf-8?B?dG9tIHVtaG9sdHo=?= <tomumholtz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in news:29E7258F-5CDF-4C0F-911F-5A3F6F40DAE3@microsoft.com: > add my name to the list of frustrated users. tried all suggestions here > and none worked Some pages CANNOT be cached. Any chance you can supply a link to the page(s) that are causing this problem? This happens throughout this site as well as others. Here is just one link. Choose the item size and color, add to shopping cart then hit the back button to choose a different color of the same item. Webpage expired message appears. It just doesn't do it when placing items in cart either. Just navigate through site, do a search, check out items, shop... etc. hit back button frequently. Like I said this happens on other sites as well. This may not work as a link but is the address for one of the many problem pages. Thanks! http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/app.detail/walk.multi.%7Cpg_nav,asp > =?Utf-8?B?dG9tIHVtaG9sdHo=?= <tomumholtz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote > in news:29E7258F-5CDF-4C0F-911F-5A3F6F40DAE3@microsoft.com: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Some pages CANNOT be cached. Any chance you can supply a link to the page(s) that are causing this > problem? Link does not take you to intended page. Just shop the site like I suggested and use back button frequently.. > This happens throughout this site as well as others. Here is just one link. > Choose the item size and color, add to shopping cart then hit the back button [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Some pages CANNOT be cached. Any chance you can supply a link to the page(s) that are causing this > > problem? > This happens throughout this site as well as others. Here is just one > link. Choose the item size and color, add to shopping cart then hit the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/app.detail/walk.multi.%7Cpg_nav,asp This is pretty typical behavior for query-based web sites. The page is dynamic and cannot be recreated without executing the original query so the developers expire the page. You can't blame the browser for this. >> =?Utf-8?B?dG9tIHVtaG9sdHo=?= <tomumholtz@discussions.microsoft.com> >> wrote in news:29E7258F-5CDF-4C0F-911F-5A3F6F40DAE3@microsoft.com: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> Some pages CANNOT be cached. Any chance you can supply a link to the >> page(s) that are causing this problem? As I said, I have been shopping this site for years and this never happened before. So if I understand you correctly, the developers must have changed the site and there is nothing I can do to remedy this and/or is it because IE just started enforcing some rules!? Thanks for your input!!! > > This happens throughout this site as well as others. Here is just one > > link. Choose the item size and color, add to shopping cart then hit the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >> Some pages CANNOT be cached. Any chance you can supply a link to the > >> page(s) that are causing this problem? ... >>> http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/app.detail/walk.multi.%7Cpg_nav,asp > As I said, I have been shopping this site for years and this never happened > before. So if I understand you correctly, the developers must have changed > the site and there is nothing I can do to remedy this and/or is it because IE > just started enforcing some rules!? I haven't been able to reproduce the symptom at that site. E.g. (surprisingly) Back implemented by the browser works. Often you have to rely on the site's UI providing a Back button (e.g. in the page, implemented using Javascript). I even saw an example of that on one of the pages I got. Do the pages which give you the problem symptom have a Back button in them? If so, use them. Alternatively, use any other link in the page which effects the same thing. In fact, depending on how a site is designed using its Back button will give you better functionality (e.g. better potential for saved values and field focus) than by just using the browser's Back function. Another thing that works particularly well on search sites (but won't work on this site because the links seem to be mostly implemented by Javascript functions) is to open the link in a new tab or window, e.g. hold down a Ctrl- key or a Shift- key when clicking on a link when you know that you want to return to the launching page. In that case you achieve the same effect of Back by closing the tab or window. HTH Robert --- Sorry for delay in reply, have been away. The back buttons that are built into the page do not necessarily take me back to my previous page. They are only there for purposes of "item review", meaning they just link between items that have been on the air during an hour of programming and are just there for purposes of reviewing only those items. If I do a general search or place items in shopping cart and want to go back to the previous page I was on, to reorder same item in another color or to see item again, I receive the "page expired message". These pages do not have built in back arrows. I have to use IE back button. The only pages that have the built in back arrows are the 24-Hour Product Review pages. This is starting to occur on some others sites now, too! Very annoying. > .... > >>> http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/app.detail/walk.multi.%7Cpg_nav,asp [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Robert > --- > As I said, I have been shopping this site for years and this never > happened [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > IE > just started enforcing some rules!? Thanks for your input!!! You mentioned before a browser cache of 1024 MB. That's way too big. Reduce it to no more than 100 MB. I really only recommend 50 MB. SignatureFrank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM http://www.fjsmjs.com Answer in newsgroup. Don't expect an answer to email. Sorry for delay in reply, I've been away. I reduced my browser cache to 50 MB but haven't seen a change other than slowing down page loading a little. Do I need to completely empty my cache before this solution may take effect? Thanks. > > As I said, I have been shopping this site for years and this never > > happened [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You mentioned before a browser cache of 1024 MB. That's way too big. > Reduce it to no more than 100 MB. I really only recommend 50 MB. > Sorry for delay in reply, I've been away. I reduced my browser cache to > 50 > MB but haven't seen a change other than slowing down page loading a > little. > Do I need to completely empty my cache before this solution may take > effect? I would think so. SignatureFrank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM Do not send mail. |
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