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Windows Forum / Internet Explorer / General Topics / January 2008Don't want to reuse tab
I'm looking for an IE7 shortcut. With previous IE versions (and this one) when I get an email with mltiple links, clicking on consecutive links will overwrite the current IE page with the contents from the new link. I used to hit [CTRL]N to open a new window, minimize that window, click the new link (allowing the first window's page to be overwritten) and continue this for as many links as I needed. I would like to take advantage of the tabs without using new windows ([CTRL]N). With IE7, to get the desired results, I need to... 1. Click the first link 2. ALT-D (select tab's url) 3. CTRL-C (copy tab's url) 4. CTRL-T (open new tab) 5. CTRL-V, ENTER (paste url in new tab and load) 6. CTRL-1 (return to tab 1) Now the next link click will open up a new link in a tab that's already been duplicated. That's too much work, and my programmable keyboard won't handle this task. Any MENSA candidates have any ideas? Does anyone know if this shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, Henry Hello Henry, Sounds like a tedious workaround for a simple setting ;-) Deactivate Tools > Internet Options > Advanced > Reuse window for launching shortcuts Best regards, Viktor Krammer  Signaturehttp://www.quero.at/ The New Web Experience I was aware of this option, and yes, it would have been to easy. The setting you refer to says "Reuse window for launching shortcuts (when tabbed browsing is off)". But hey, I'll try almost anything. I unchecked, applied, rebooted, and still opened in same tab, same windows. Thanks for trying. > Hello Henry, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Viktor Krammer Also see: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/attachment/715071.ashx Signature~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org > I'm looking for an IE7 shortcut. With previous IE versions (and this one) > when I get an email with mltiple links, clicking on consecutive links will [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, > Henry Good shortcuts, thanks, but doesn't solve my problem. > Also see: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/attachment/715071.ashx > > I'm looking for an IE7 shortcut. With previous IE versions (and this one) [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, > > Henry > Also see: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/attachment/715071.ashx That still requires him to put two and two together: Alt-d,Alt-Enter BTW there are many omissions on that page... <eg> --- >> I'm looking for an IE7 shortcut. With previous IE versions (and this one) >> when I get an email with mltiple links, clicking on consecutive links will [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, >> Henry >> Also see: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/attachment/715071.ashx > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > BTW there are many omissions on that page... <eg> Yes, well I just stumbled upon these pages today! => http://www.bayden.com/Other/ http://www.bayden.com/ietoys/ Signature~PAB A lot better. That's half as many steps. Still need CTRL-1 to get back to first tab. Thanks > > Also see: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/attachment/715071.ashx > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >> shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, > >> Henry >A lot better. That's half as many steps. Still need CTRL-1 to get back to > first tab. Thanks No you don't. You could launch the new tab in the background. That should be the default unless you have changed the tab setting Always switch to new tabs when they are created In that case you need to press Alt-d,Alt-Shift-Enter HTH Robert --- >> > Also see: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/attachment/715071.ashx >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, >> >> Henry New tabs do launch in the background, but Alt-d,Alt-Enter changes focus to new tab. Alt-d,Alt-Shift-Enter does duplicate tab in new tab in background. Less elegant than I had hoped for, but at least it works. Thanks. (sure do miss IE6) > >A lot better. That's half as many steps. Still need CTRL-1 to get back to > > first tab. Thanks [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > >> >> shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, > >> >> Henry > New tabs do launch in the background, but Alt-d,Alt-Enter changes focus to > new tab. Alt-d,Alt-Shift-Enter does duplicate tab in new tab in background. > Less elegant than I had hoped for, but at least it works. Thanks. (sure do > miss IE6) As I indicated if you want to use Alt-Enter instead you just have to toggle that option I referred to. Doing that would reverse as well the effects of Ctrl-click and Ctrl-Shift-click. --- >> >A lot better. That's half as many steps. Still need CTRL-1 to get back to >> > first tab. Thanks [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> >> >> shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, >> >> >> Henry As I mentioned, your workaround does work, albeit a workaround and not a fix. I assume it's "broken", as it works properly in Vista with identical IE settings. Thanks again, Henry > > New tabs do launch in the background, but Alt-d,Alt-Enter changes focus to > > new tab. Alt-d,Alt-Shift-Enter does duplicate tab in new tab in background. [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > >> >> >> shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, > >> >> >> Henry > As I mentioned, your workaround does work, albeit a workaround and not a fix. > I assume it's "broken", as it works properly in Vista with identical IE > settings. Thanks again, Henry What works properly? AFAICS you're looking for an enhancement: allow any arbitrary link to open in a new tab simply by using a left-click (with no keyboard modification.) Perhaps not having such an option may be viewed as a deficiency but nothing's "broken". E.g. unless the web site provides something to cause opening a link in a new window you need to do something extra to launch its links in a new tab (i.e. press Ctrl- or Ctrl-Shift- when clicking). Note that major search sites such as Google and Live Search already provide such option, so there is much less need for your proposed feature in some most frequently used cases. FYI Robert --- >> As I mentioned, your workaround does work, albeit a workaround and >> not a fix. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > in a new window you need to do something extra to launch its links > in a new tab (i.e. press Ctrl- or Ctrl-Shift- when clicking). His original post explained that when getting an email with multiple links, he couldn't get them to open in there own tab. He had to copy/paste into the new tab address window, etc... I'm sorry I don't have the post handy, but you can google it. Some of the MVPs replied with things to try, and I replied to him that, yes they should load into multiple tabs if his IE is configured properly ( I shared my settings which work the way they are supposed to). Well, it is set up correctly, but still not working. Now, he is checking to see if something is blocking the setting by preventing changes to his registry, perhaps a security program. I believe that to be a fair summary of the proceedings. >> AFAICS you're looking for an enhancement: allow any arbitrary link >> to open in a new tab simply by using a left-click (with no keyboard modification.) > His original post explained that when getting an email with multiple > links, he couldn't get them to open in there own tab. Not in this thread. That modification to the problem statement happened in the reply to Mary and that (launching app is OE6) changes everything. My previous comments apply only to launching links from IE. Launching links from OE is a completely different issue because OE claims ownership of a tab just as it used to claim ownership of a window. At one time you used to be able to at least open new IE windows from OE by pressing Shift- when clicking (or pressing Enter) on links in its Message windows. In fact, some people say that they can still do that. YMMV. Also Jim Byrd used to suggest deleting the DDE Topic value as a means of forcing links to launch in their windows (e.g. simply by clicking or pressing Enter without any modifiers.) If that still works and if in IE7 it gets interpreted as opening a new tab instead of a new window that might do what this poster wants. There are other examples where apps claim ownership of windows/tabs. The way to deal with them would be to clone the current contents in a new tab before the app can reuse the "named" window/tab. I don't think it's something that IE really has complete control over, regardless of what choices the user makes. FYI Robert --- Robert, first I want to thank you and KCB for trying to assist me with the problem. KCB is correct on his understanding of the problem. Long story short ... email from OE with multiple links. On XP and Vista, click on first link opens first tab in new IE window. (Here's where story changes) On XP, consecutive link clicks reuse same tab in IE. On Vista, consecutive link clicks open in NEW tab in same IE. Both Vista and XP boxes have same settings in IE but act differently. Since they act differently, I assume one is "broken". Since I like the behaviour patern is in Vista, I call the XP behaviour "broken", hence I would like to "fix" the XP's IE to behave like the Vista's IE. While I used to be an MCSE (NT4), I'm aware a lot has changed. I still do well at common sense problems, trouble shooting skills (divide and conquer) and the like. DDE stuff and other things you mention seem to be more for the developer as opposed to the network admin/tech supp. Bottom line is ... If you were giving me a suggestion for something to try, then it went over my head. It shouldn't be this difficult. Same email, same hyperlinks, virtually same IE albeit different OS BUT same IE settings. Yet they act differently. If they are supposed to act differently, then I'm OK with that but I'd love to know why should they act differently and is it documented anywhere. (When I administered for a development team we called these "anomolies" "undocumented features"). The thing that really bothers me is that EVERY XP box I've tested exhibits the same bahaviour as all other XP boxes (assuming similar IE settings), and EVERY Vista box (admittedly only 3) I've tested exhibits the same bahaviour as all other Vista boxes (again assuming similar IE settings). Thanks again, Henry > >> AFAICS you're looking for an enhancement: allow any arbitrary link > >> to open in a new tab simply by using a left-click (with no keyboard modification.) [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Robert > --- (cross-post added to Vista Mail) > Robert, first I want to thank you and KCB for trying to assist me with the > problem. KCB is correct on his understanding of the problem. Long story > short ... email from OE with multiple links. On XP and Vista, click on first > link opens first tab in new IE window. (Here's where story changes) On XP, > consecutive link clicks reuse same tab in IE. On Vista, consecutive link > clicks open in NEW tab in same IE. Hold it right there. On Vista you aren't using OE. You're using something that was made to look quite a bit like OE but they aren't the same product. > Both Vista and XP boxes have same > settings in IE but act differently. Since they act differently, I assume one > is "broken". But it's not that IE is acting differently; it's WM acting more desirably than OE. That shouldn't be too surprising since it was a major rewrite of OE and in the process a number of deficiencies in OE had a chance to be addressed. Perhaps this was one of them? <eg> > Since I like the behaviour patern is in Vista, I call the XP > behaviour "broken", hence I would like to "fix" the XP's IE to behave like > the Vista's IE. Well, I have to thank you for a little bit of serendipity because I have finally found out why some users may claim that OE can open new tabs, instead of claiming "ownership" of one particular one, as I asserted. The secret would be that those users are using the OE Read option: Read messages in plain text (Alt-T,O,Ctrl-Tab,R) Once I set that and actually click (no keyboard alternative in that case) on links with Shift-click I can consistently get OE opening *new* tabs in IE7. I personally hate that option for two reasons, the most important being as I indicated that keyboard use with its message windows is severely limited, so I never use it and it was only experimenting to try to answer these questions which made me see this "feechur". ; ) Is that what WM is doing in Vista by any chance? If so, then perhaps both products *are* working consistently? <eg> BTW I have never used Vista so I'm cross-posting to Vista Mail in case someone there with real experience with that product wants to comment further. > While I used to be an MCSE (NT4), I'm aware a lot has > changed. I still do well at common sense problems, trouble shooting skills > (divide and conquer) and the like. DDE stuff and other things you mention > seem to be more for the developer as opposed to the network admin/tech supp. > Bottom line is ... If you were giving me a suggestion for something to try, > then it went over my head. It shouldn't be this difficult. The only "suggestion" I was making was making was an implied experiment to see how well Jim Byrd's mod transfers to IE7. I haven't done it myself. I think that others may have but I haven't seen yet any reports which would say whether it would help you do what you want to do or not. E.g. for all I know it would still cause links to open in new windows, not new tabs, in spite of all the tab options being set otherwise. I may yet try it myself but I'm not promising to do so. HTH Robert --- > Same email, same > hyperlinks, virtually same IE albeit different OS BUT same IE settings. Yet [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> Robert >> --- It's an epiphany! I sit corrected. WM has to be the cause/answer. While I admit that life got in the way yesterday and I wasn't even able to test any theories, I'm willing to bet that's the reason. I want to try playing with the OE Read option: Read messages in plain text. And just to make it more fun, I told myself after the "Vista / Office 2007 - Ready for a New Day" MS event that I want to make a concerted effort to get away from all my OE (home PC), Outlook 2000 (Work PC), and Outlook 20003 (Notebook) and move everything to Outlook 2007 (for familiarity, syncing, security, features, ...). Thanks again, I'll let you know how it goes. > (cross-post added to Vista Mail) > > Robert, first I want to thank you and KCB for trying to assist me with the [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > >> Robert > >> --- This helped me, perhaps it will solve your problem. I just programed the "wheel-click" on my mouse to "Ctrl". Now I use my middle finger to push down, clicking the wheel, and use my index finger to click on the link. It opens the link in a new tab. I got to this thread trying to find out how to make a DESKTOP shortcut that will open IE7 with four tabs, each to a different website. And, I do not want to make it part of my home page nor do I want to give up my home page. Any ideas where to find info on that? > It's an epiphany! I sit corrected. WM has to be the cause/answer. While I > admit that life got in the way yesterday and I wasn't even able to test any [quoted text clipped - 116 lines] > > >> Robert > > >> --- > I got to this thread trying to find out how to make a DESKTOP shortcut that > will open IE7 with four tabs, each to a different website. And, I do not > want to make it part of my home page nor do I want to give up my home page. > Any ideas where to find info on that? http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general/browse_ frm/thread/87f9484d2dcb3ef7/85ae4f51e8f9525c?lnk=st&q=favorites+group+cmd+for+lo op+author%3Aaldwinckle++group%3Amicrosoft.*#85ae4f51e8f9525c How about using right click on the link, open in new tab? > I'm looking for an IE7 shortcut. With previous IE versions (and this one) > when I get an email with mltiple links, clicking on consecutive links will [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, > Henry Good thought, thanks Mary. The links are in OE emails. I don't get those options when right clicking on email links. I even tried CTRL-click and SHIFT-click. I'm starting to think this is going to be "feature" I used to appreciate, like XCOPY and file manager (ha ha). > How about using right click on the link, open in new tab? > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, > > Henry Hi, Try these settings... * From IE> Tools> Internet Options> Advanced> Browsing> uncheck "Reuse windows for launching shortcuts." * Internet Options> General> Tabs> Settings... Always open pop-ups in a new tab Open links from other programs in a new tab Let me know if f those settings don't work. I have a more involved procedure that worked for me. Don [MS MVP- IE] > I'm looking for an IE7 shortcut. With previous IE versions (and this one) > when I get an email with mltiple links, clicking on consecutive links will [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, > Henry I was holding my breath on that one. Changed settings, rebooted, and still opened up in same tab. Thanks for trying. Henry > Hi, > Try these settings... [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, > > Henry Hi, This worked for me several months ago. 1. Make IE the default browser (Add or remove programs> Set program access and defaults.) 2. Uninstall IE7. Restart. 3. Turn off automatic updates from Control Panel> Automatic updates. 4. Find the file IE7-WindowsXP-x86-enu.exe or download and save that installer file from http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/ie/getitnow.mspx 5. Startup in Safe Mode with Networking. Install IE7 by running IE7-WindowsXP-x86-enu.exe 315222 - A description of the Safe Mode Boot options in Windows XP: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=315222 6. Probably irrelevant- I did not run the Malicious Software Removal when prompted. 7. Tab settings: * Always open pop-ups in a new tab * Open links from other programs in a new tab 8. If this gets Outlook Express to open tabs instead of windows, here's something I've observed... If you modify, in any way, the URL:HyperText Transfer Protocol file type, including checking/unchecking UseDDE, you will lose this behavior. It may be that experimenting with default browser settings will also mess things up. 9. Re-enable Automatic Updates. Don [MS MVP- IE] > I was holding my breath on that one. Changed settings, rebooted, and still > opened up in same tab. Thanks for trying. Henry > > Hi, > > Try these settings... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Let me know if f those settings don't work. I have a more involved procedure > > that worked for me. > > > I'm looking for an IE7 shortcut. With previous IE versions (and this one) > > > when I get an email with multiple links, clicking on consecutive links will > > > overwrite the current IE page with the contents from the new link. I used > > to [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > this task. Any MENSA candidates have any ideas? Does anyone know if this > > > shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? Thanks, Wow! If this were a test box, I'd be happy to but this is my home "personal" computer and it's a tad flaky as it is (I already make ghost images as a precaution and pray I never have to use it, already had 2 disk crashes - box must be jinxed. This box already has 1 foot out door.). IE is default browser, never added anything, not even AOL. ALL IE sttings are probably 99.8% default, haven't had a need to change - ditto for http file type settings. My XP box at work behaves EXACTLY like my home machine, BUT a test box with clean Vista install opens new tabs for each new link click...and I can't find any difference in settings. My transition to Vista may happen sooner than expected. Now if only I could get one of the keys from my Gateway Anykey programmable keyboard to emulate the Windows Flag key..... Thanks again Don > Hi, > This worked for me several months ago. [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > > > shortcut already exists? Does Microsoft have a "suggestion box"? > Thanks, I just sent myself an email with 4 different web sites listed. IE opened each in a different tab. (IE was not open beforehand). I'll list my settings to compare to your own. Tabbed Browsing Settings: [x]Enabled Tabbed Browsing (requires restarting Internet Explorer) [ ]Warn me... [x]Always switch to new... [x]Enable Quick Tabs... [ ]Open only the first... [x]Open new tabs next... [x]Open home page... When a pop-up is encountered: ( )Let Internet Explorer... ( )Always open pop-ups... (o)Always open pop-ups in a new tab Open links from other programs in: ( )A new window (o)A new tab in the current window ( )The current tab or window I think that last one is the key to your misery. If some other settings are relevant, let me know. > I'm looking for an IE7 shortcut. With previous IE versions (and this > one) [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Thanks, > Henry These settings were so similar to mine, but ... duplicated. rebooted, no difference. The ironic thing is 2 of my XP boxes behave identical ("wrong"), yet box w/Vista acts correctly, and all 3 boxes' IE have same settings. Tabbed Browsing Settings: [x]Enabled Tabbed Browsing (requires restarting Internet Explorer) [x]Warn me... [ ]Always switch to new... [x]Enable Quick Tabs... [ ]Open only the first... [x]Open new tabs next... [ ]Open home page... When a pop-up is encountered: ( )Let Internet Explorer... (o)Always open pop-ups... ( )Always open pop-ups in a new tab Open links from other programs in: ( )A new window (o)A new tab in the current window ( )The current tab or window > I just sent myself an email with 4 different web sites listed. IE > opened each in a different tab. (IE was not open beforehand). I'll [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Thanks, > > Henry The only other thing I can think would be an incompatible add-on or a bad install of IE7. But since it doesn't work on 2 different computers, it makes guessing more difficult. I found the registry key that controls tabbed browsing (use regedit at your own risk). You could change a setting in Internet Options then check to see if the registry actually updated. The key is HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\TabbedBrowsing A new tab in the current window == "ShortcutBehavior"=dword:00000001 >> These settings were so similar to mine, but ... duplicated. rebooted, >> no [quoted text clipped - 98 lines] >>> > Thanks, >>> > Henry It definitely puzzles me too. I did follow your test though, I 1 checked dword=1 2 made 2 changes (open only the first page homepage when IE starts, and reuse tab (under advanced)) reopened regedit, dword still =1 3 closed IE - reopened regedit, dword still =1 4 checked IE behaviour - only first homepage did open (I have 2 pages (tabs) that normally open) reopened regedit, dword still =1 5 rebooted - reopened regedit, dword still =1 Am I still puzzled - yeah, but starting to give up hope. Home PC is XP SP2 P3 w/.75GB memory, ATI Radeon All-in-Wonder card (great card) and HP director software that complains a little, but stable for most part. Work PC is XP SP2, 2.8 GHz P4, 1 GB mem. Extremely stable but also has this IE behaviour. Test box is Vista business, 2.8 GHz P4, 1 GB mem, tab behaviour works as we would expect it to work (correctly). NEW TWIST - Test box 2 is Vista Ultimate upgrade from XP SP2, 2.8 GHz P4, 1 GB mem, tab behaviour works correctly now, but pretty certain it worked wrong when it was XP. I'm really starting to wonder if it's all worthwhile. I do however really appreciate that you have taken your time to try to help ... If only there was an easy answer... > The only other thing I can think would be an incompatible add-on or a > bad install of IE7. But since it doesn't work on 2 different computers, [quoted text clipped - 110 lines] > >>> > Thanks, > >>> > Henry > It definitely puzzles me too. I did follow your test though, I > 1 checked dword=1 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > help > ... If only there was an easy answer... It really sounds like a security program blocking the Registry change it needs to make. A few, but not all, of the programs now doing this are: Ad-aware's Ad-Watch IBM Access Connections McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware Norton AV Spyware Blaster Spybot> Tools> IE Tweaks Spybot- Teatimer Spysweeper Spyware Doctor Windows Defender Zone Alarm (free) 6.5 Reported to be fixed in later versions. In the case of Zone Alarm 6.5 or Norton 2007 it actually has to be uninstalled. Make sure the Windows Firewall is turned on until you reinstall Zone Alarm. Boot into Safe Mode with Networking and try the change. SignatureFrank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM http://www.fjsmjs.com Answer in newsgroup. Don't expect an answer to email. A new perspective! How refreshing! I didn't consider that angle. I'm not running any of the software you mentioned with the exception of Windows Defender on the Vista boxes, but they work fine. All XP boxes are running Symantec AV Corporate Edition 10.0 / 10.1 (10.2 won't work on XP) while Vista requires Ver 10.2. I'll have to try that tonight. Have you heard anything about SAVCE blocking registry changes? Thanks Frank, Henry > > It definitely puzzles me too. I did follow your test though, I > > 1 checked dword=1 [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Boot into Safe Mode with Networking and try the change. >A new perspective! How refreshing! I didn't consider that angle. I'm not > running any of the software you mentioned with the exception of Windows [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > anything > about SAVCE blocking registry changes? Thanks Frank, Henry I'm told that Symantec Corporate does not cause the problems that Norton does but I don't have any personal experience. You might want to check its options for Registry protection. I'm not sure which Registry entries Windows Defender protects, but I'm pretty sure the Home Page is one, although that might have changed since it bothered me. SignatureFrank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM http://www.fjsmjs.com Answer in newsgroup. Don't expect an answer to email. I'm going to try to find the time tonight to run msconfig and turn off everything SAVCE and then retry all options given by all the people that were so generous with their time and experience. Thanks again Frank, and if you get a chance please review the reply I left today for Robert Aldwinckle on this same post. Henry > >A new perspective! How refreshing! I didn't consider that angle. I'm not > > running any of the software you mentioned with the exception of Windows [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > pretty sure the Home Page is one, although that might have changed since it > bothered me. |
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