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Kath Adams
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>>>>>>>> I had a heck of a time coming to the US because there's double
>>>>>>>> quotes in the wrong place, the UK pound sign is missing and they
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> I reckon there's something wrong with your computer.
> I reckoned up. (Adding a list of figures).
In older language you might have a faggot fence - you might know it as
picket fence - 4 foot sticks, rough cut, about 1 inch square and held
together by twisted wires top an bottom so it could be rolled up and
re-used. As you point out the sticks were "Faggots". However I think that
comes from earlier times (Shakespearian?) when faggots were also thin stick
used for firewood, and a common method for lighting other things like
candles was to pull a burning faggot out of the fire. As the flame went out
you might be left with a smoldering faggot which looked rather like a
cigarette, so one school of thought suggests that this resemblance in the
dark to a glowing stick is where the slang term came from. Interesting
though that this would most often occur after you had used a stick to light
something else, so perhaps the connection to matches is in there somewhere.
Bearing this in mind I am left to wonder where the famous Northern delicacy
"Faggots" came from - these being a sort of spicy meatball like thing in
gravy, or some approximation thereof. If you see a Lancastrian eating a
"Faggot and pea batch" it is not a form of cannibalism, it is simply a
person with no taste buds devouring a mixture of ground offal, glue made
from dead animals and laced with a portion of otherwise innocuous legume
seeds. Batch = burger style bread bun by the way.
http://www.ciao.co.uk/Mr_Brains_Pork_Faggots__5303376
As for reckoning yes, still in use.
http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/redundancy/ready.htm
The original "Ready Reckoner" was a small book similar to log tables in
which money, weights and measures were tabulated in fractions and multiples,
and every respectable household had one :)
Charlie
Steve Cochran - 22 Oct 2005 12:50 GMT
Well, some more off-topic etymological links:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=faggot&searchmode=none
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot
I can imagine how the term became slang for a cigarette, but I don't see any
reference to that in the dictionaries or the above links.
And I still remember, I think, an English friend (from Bristol) referring to
matches that way.
Well, enough on that topic.
steve
>>>>>>>>> I had a heck of a time coming to the US because there's double
>>>>>>>>> quotes in the wrong place, the UK pound sign is missing and they
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> Charlie