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Roxy - 29 Jun 2004 16:46 GMT
Some problem cropped up in my OE6. Everytime I try to send an email, the
following message pops up:
An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'PRSkater', Server:
'mail.adelphia.net', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '421 mta9.adelphia.net
connection refused from [69.166.76.94]', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server
Error: 421, Error Number: 0x800CCC67

As you all can see, I can send email to Newsgroups, but not via OE Local
Folders.

What gives?
Roxy
Tom Pepper Willett - 29 Jun 2004 17:01 GMT
Sounds like a problem with the mail server.  Contact them.
Also, the ip address is listed in several spam databases.
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=69.166.76.94

Tom
> Some problem cropped up in my OE6. Everytime I try to send an email, the
> following message pops up:
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> What gives?
> Roxy
Roxy - 29 Jun 2004 17:33 GMT
Tom:
Thanks a lot for your quick response.
I contacted my provider, Adelphia, and they said that the problem is with
OE. They don't provide service for my software and I should contact
Microsoft (Yeah, right! at $40 a minute).
Using their web-based email setup, I can have access to my email.

The problem is with OE. I can receive email, but I can not send -- it just
gets stuck in the outbox folder and everytime I try to send it, a message
pops up, for example, this one:

An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'prskater', Server:
'mail.adelphia.net', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '421
mta13.adelphia.net connection refused from [69.166.76.94]', Port: 25,
Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 421, Error Number: 0x800CCC67

Oh, by the way, as you can see, I can send when in Newsgroups.
Thanks
Roxy

> Sounds like a problem with the mail server.  Contact them.
> Also, the ip address is listed in several spam databases.
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> > What gives?
> > Roxy
Jim Pickering - 29 Jun 2004 18:10 GMT
The 421 error is advising you that the service is not available.
The "0x800CCC67" is an error code meaning -  SMTP_421_NOT_AVAILABLE.

Try creating a new identity, switch to it, then create the Adelphia account
in that identity and test it.  If it works there, you most likely have a
corrupted identity in your earlier identity.  FWIW, I can telnet to the
mail.adelphia.net server on port 25 w/o problem so I suspect something is
wrong in your setup of the account.
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Jim Pickering, MVP-Outlook Express
Please reply only to newsgroup.

> Tom:
> Thanks a lot for your quick response.
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>> > What gives?
>> > Roxy
Roxy - 29 Jun 2004 20:16 GMT
I created a new identity and OE still refuses to sent anything, anywhere.

I'm at my wits end.

This only began last night (Monday). Until Monday, everything was just
fine -- fast speed with my new cable modem, after having been one year with
Bellsouth DSL -- which also performed flaulessly.

Do you think that if I try to startup with the last good configuration, W2k
will forgive?
Thank you
Roxy

> The 421 error is advising you that the service is not available.
> The "0x800CCC67" is an error code meaning -  SMTP_421_NOT_AVAILABLE.
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> >> > What gives?
> >> > Roxy
Jim Pickering - 29 Jun 2004 20:42 GMT
On Tools/Accounts/Mail tab double click the account involved, then click the
Servers button.  Is there a check mark in the box "My server requires
authentication"?  If not, check it and make sure when you click the Settings
button that it is set to use your user name and password as you would to
sign on to the account.  Then test sending it.  It should work.
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Jim Pickering, MVP-Outlook Express
Please reply only to newsgroup.

>I created a new identity and OE still refuses to sent anything, anywhere.
>
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>> >> > What gives?
>> >> > Roxy
Roxy - 29 Jun 2004 20:57 GMT
I checked the box for Authentication and I still get the following message:

An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'jdabreu', Server:
'mail.adelphia.net', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '421
mta13.adelphia.net connection refused from [69.166.76.94]', Port: 25,
Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 421, Error Number: 0x800CCC67

Roxy

> On Tools/Accounts/Mail tab double click the account involved, then click the
> Servers button.  Is there a check mark in the box "My server requires
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> >> >> > What gives?
> >> >> > Roxy
Roxy - 29 Jun 2004 20:59 GMT
The again, what baffles me is that I am having this email exchange in
Newsgroups using the computer and OE -- the same that absolutely refuse to
send email via the normal local folders.

So, some messages are allowed to get out and some aren't.
Roxy

> On Tools/Accounts/Mail tab double click the account involved, then click the
> Servers button.  Is there a check mark in the box "My server requires
[quoted text clipped - 77 lines]
> >> >> > What gives?
> >> >> > Roxy
Jim Pickering - 29 Jun 2004 21:53 GMT
Mail uses port 25 to communicate with the server while news messages go out
on port 119.  But that suggests you may have a firewall installed that is
the cause of the problem.  Try disabling any firewall product you have
installed and test.  Zone Alarm has caused problems for users in the past
and may require you to specifically open port 25 to send mail.

Do you also have a version of Outlook installed?  Are you certain that
Outlook Express is set as your default mail program?
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Jim Pickering, MVP-Outlook Express
Please reply only to newsgroup.

> The again, what baffles me is that I am having this email exchange in
> Newsgroups using the computer and OE -- the same that absolutely refuse to
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>> >> >> > What gives?
>> >> >> > Roxy
Roxy - 29 Jun 2004 22:51 GMT
I now understand the ports issue.

Now, I don't think I ever installed a firewall. I see I downloaded Zone
Alarm at one time, but I don't recall ever installing it or see it installed
anywhere in my PC.
And, yes, OE Ver 6 is the default mail program.
I don't know if I mentioned it, but I have a cable modem, connected to an
SMC Barricade router, which functioned pretty well ...until last night.

Roxy

> Mail uses port 25 to communicate with the server while news messages go out
> on port 119.  But that suggests you may have a firewall installed that is
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> >> >> >> > What gives?
> >> >> >> > Roxy
Tom Pepper Willett - 29 Jun 2004 23:46 GMT
Then I think you need to look at issues with the router.  Perhaps posting in
the router support newsgroups or emailing the support of  the vendor.

Tom
| I now understand the ports issue.
|
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| > >> >> >> > What gives?
| > >> >> >> > Roxy
Jim Pickering - 30 Jun 2004 00:12 GMT
Try turning off the router for 5 minutes by unplugging it from the power
circuit, then turn it back on and let it run its self test and diagnostic
program.  You should be able to review your router settings using Internet
Explorer although you will have to check the default address and password to
access its settings in the manuals you got with it.  Then make sure that
port 25 is open bi directionally.

If Zone Alarm was installed, it should appear under Start/All Programs and
also check in Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs that it is not installed
(or is available to be uninstalled).  Beyond that, try connecting directly
from your internet cable hookup to your cable modem, then directly to your
computer to check that the router is not part of the problem.
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Jim Pickering, MVP-Outlook Express
Please reply only to newsgroup.

>I now understand the ports issue.
>
[quoted text clipped - 134 lines]
>> >> >> >> > What gives?
>> >> >> >> > Roxy
Robert Aldwinckle - 30 Jun 2004 13:07 GMT
>> An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'prskater', Server:
>> 'mail.adelphia.net', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '421
>> mta13.adelphia.net connection refused from [69.166.76.94]',

> I can telnet to the  mail.adelphia.net server on port 25 w/o problem so I suspect something is wrong in your setup of the account.

Jim,

What do you make of that alias name that is showing in his error message?

My DNS  (via nslookup)  doesn't know anything about it.
I even tried substituting one of the nameservers for that canonical name
as the DNS server (via nslookup's server command) and it didn't know
anything about the alias either (or refused to tell me.)

I'm wondering if this is just a new way of warning of a suspected relaying
condition.   E.g. perhaps his server wants the  From:  address  to be
a valid local E-mail address.

My suggestion would be for him to try sending a message to himself,
being sure to identify both receiver and sender with valid local E-mail
addresses.

Of course he could also try extending the telnet idea and try emulating
what OE is doing with it.   Unfortunately, I don't think that OE's
troubleshooting log gives a clear enough picture of that so he would
need to do a packet trace to see exactly what to send.

As usual the poster has given no clue about his OS so I can offer no
more precise suggestions about other diagnostics to use.

FWIW

Robert
--

> The 421 error is advising you that the service is not available.
> The "0x800CCC67" is an error code meaning -  SMTP_421_NOT_AVAILABLE.
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>>> > What gives?
>>> > Roxy
Roxy - 30 Jun 2004 15:29 GMT
All:
I'm impressed by and grateful for your diligence in trying to solve a
problem such as mine.
I sent myself an email, using the prskater account first and then my jdabreu
account (I have two) and both messages are still stuck in the Outbox, and
the following message popped up:
"An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'prskater', Server:
'mail.adelphia.net', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '421
mta11.adelphia.net connection refused from [69.166.76.94]', Port: 25,
Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 421, Error Number: 0x800CCC67"

Which is the same that has bedeviled us for a while.
BTW I'm using W2K Pro, Version 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Build 2195

Thank you
Roxy

> >> An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'prskater', Server:
> >> 'mail.adelphia.net', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '421
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
> >>> > What gives?
> >>> > Roxy
Jim Pickering - 30 Jun 2004 17:53 GMT
At this point Roxy, I'm afraid your best hope is going to be your ISP.
Contact them and insist they "escalate" your complaint to a level of
technical help that hopefully will be better than the telephone answering,
script reading type you've gotten already.  You're paying for a service and
not getting it and that should allow a minimum level of service from
Adelphia.  Insist on getting it.  Good luck.
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Jim Pickering, MVP-Outlook Express
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> All:
> I'm impressed by and grateful for your diligence in trying to solve a
[quoted text clipped - 112 lines]
>> >>> > What gives?
>> >>> > Roxy
Roxy - 30 Jun 2004 21:12 GMT
And that is precisely what happened. Adelphia made a backup call today to
see whether the problem had been solved and when I said no, they had one of
their techs call and he stayed with me around one hour until the problem
suddenly vanished.

The final solution was to shut down the PC, the modem and the router and in
sequence power up the modem, after it was working properly (all the lights
were on and flickering) I powered up the router so it would reconfigure
itself, then I turned on the PC. As if by magic everything was fine and
dandy.

I had gone through those steps but not in that order.

Thank you all for the help and backing you provided -- all advise was very
welcome and made me more knowledgeable about OE.
Roxy

> At this point Roxy, I'm afraid your best hope is going to be your ISP.
> Contact them and insist they "escalate" your complaint to a level of
[quoted text clipped - 122 lines]
> >> >>> > What gives?
> >> >>> > Roxy
Jim Pickering - 30 Jun 2004 23:01 GMT
Glad to hear it's now fixed, and the sequence is what they should have told
you on your first call.  Thanks for the feedback.
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Jim Pickering, MVP-Outlook Express
Please reply only to newsgroup.

> And that is precisely what happened. Adelphia made a backup call today to
> see whether the problem had been solved and when I said no, they had one
[quoted text clipped - 156 lines]
>> >> >>> > What gives?
>> >> >>> > Roxy
Tom Pepper Willett - 29 Jun 2004 20:23 GMT
Have you got an anti-virus program scanning your outgoing email, incoming
mail?
If so, that's most likely what's causing it.

Tom
> Tom:
> Thanks a lot for your quick response.
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> > > What gives?
> > > Roxy
Roxy - 29 Jun 2004 20:30 GMT
I have McAfee virus scan, but email scanning has been disabled.

Roxy

> Have you got an anti-virus program scanning your outgoing email, incoming
> mail?
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
> > > > What gives?
> > > > Roxy
 
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