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Windows Forum / Outlook Express / OE 6.x / July 2006Line breaks
Is this line break problem in my configuration or the posters? If mine how do I correct. _See the carats_. > Back again now ready to put my personal files and settings on the > second ^^^^^^^^^ > partition. What is the best way to do it , where do I split it, at > what ^^^^^^ > level . What is the most common way to do it. Do I move the Document > and ^^^^^^^ > setting folder or the next step down only my personal folder and all > what is > inside. I hope it is not too confusing > > BTW I need only a data partition , I won't install WIN 98 anymore as I > want > before. What do > most expert do. > Do they keep OS and program files on one partition and the rest on the > other. > As I understand one would save an ISO image of the first partition to > be > safe and a back up of the second which can be done on a regular basis. > Am I right or there is better way. Just learning here TIA It could be either. If the poster is not wrapping at 76 characters, (or close to it), that's one cause. If it looks better if you open the message in its own window, rather that viewing in the Preview Pane, you may not be using the screen resolution that is recommended by the manufacturer.  SignatureBruce Hagen MS MVP - Outlook Express ~IB-CA~ > Is this line break problem in my configuration or the posters? > If mine how do I correct. _See the carats_. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> Am I right or there is better way. Just learning here > TIA I haven't used a preview pane for years. I also have things set for text only. I use 72 because of the > > with replies. All messages do not exhibit this behavior. > It could be either. If the poster is not wrapping at 76 characters, > (or close to it), that's one cause. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>> Am I right or there is better way. Just learning here >> TIA If it isn't all messages, it is most likely on the senders end. SignatureBruce Hagen MS MVP - Outlook Express ~IB-CA~ >I haven't used a preview pane for years. I also have things > set for text only. I use 72 because of the > > with replies. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>>> Am I right or there is better way. Just learning here >>> TIA Line wrapping is controlled by the sender/poster. In the case you show, that will occur if the last poster does not have his line wrap at least 2 more than the previous poster (to allow for the > and space). Which leads to a problem, since everyone can't have their line wrap settings at least 2 more than everyone else. SignatureMike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm > Is this line break problem in my configuration or the posters? > If mine how do I correct. _See the carats_. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> Am I right or there is better way. Just learning here > TIA My own outgoing messages have irregular line breaks, no matter where I set my wrap. Lines are of varying lengths for no apparent reason. If I edit the outgoing message to get rid of ridiculously short lines, by hitting delete to get rid of what would be hard or soft returns in word processing, the same or a different stupid line break gets in. I just had two message go out looking just awful, with no logic to the right "margin" at all. (I'd copy them but the subject matter is not one I am inclined to share, since it involves other people's financial matters.) Is there anything I can do to force OE to wrap correctly? Sarah From this post, it looks like your wrapping is set for about 56. Change it to 76. The text doesn't actually wrap until it is sent to the Outbox. Remember, what you see is not necessarily what someone else may see due to their screen resolution settings. SignatureBruce Hagen MS MVP - Outlook Express ~IB-CA~ > My own outgoing messages have irregular line breaks, no matter where I set > my wrap. Lines are of varying lengths for no apparent reason. If I edit [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sarah Actually, that message looked better than many that go out. I had set my news Send wrap to 60, since at 76 some lines were so much longer than others. My email Send options are set at 76 at the moment, so the differences in line length are greater than this - but this is bad enough. In order for the line lengths as shown in Bruce's message to stay longer than 60, I just put my news Send back to 76. As it appears in my Sent folder, (hoping it stays that way when it gets to the group!)the word "get" at the beginning of the 5th line could have been at the end of the fourth line. My own outgoing messages have irregular line breaks, no matter where I set my wrap. Lines are of varying lengths for no apparent reason. If I edit the outgoing message to get rid of ridiculously short lines, by hitting delete to get rid of what would be hard or soft returns in word processing, the same or a different stupid line break gets in. As it appeared in Bruce's reply, the line breaks are still goofy: > My own outgoing messages have irregular line breaks, no > matter where I set my wrap. Lines are of varying lengths [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > processing, the same or a different stupid line break gets > in. In the message as it got to the group, there is no reason the word "the" on the third line could not have been at the end of the second line. Same story for the word "delete" in the fourth line - why isn't it at the end of the third line? Well, except I notice now that the first line is much longer than 60! How does a message I send at 60 get changed by the recipient's setting? And, back to my original problem - is there any way to encourage OE to wrap correctly? Sarah Ah, it didn't work. The line breaks in Bruce's copy of my paragraph are in totally different places than they appear in my message, even though I used copy and paste to get his copy into my message. The line breaks are bad in all versions, however. Sarah OE-QuoteFix: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ SignatureBruce Hagen MS MVP - Outlook Express ~IB-CA~ > Actually, that message looked better than many that go out. I had set my > news Send wrap to 60, since at 76 some lines were so much longer than [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Sarah Bruce suggested I read about OE-QuoteFix: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ That information is helpful, but my main problem is not in the changes that quoting causes. That just happened to occur in this series of messages. Normally, I do not include entire old messages in my outgoing messages. In fact, I do not permit it in an email group I run. My problem is in my own original outgoing email messages. My new messages that I send to others have greatly varying line lengths, no matter where I've set my wrap length. It makes me crazy to have to edit the line breaks repeatedly or else appalls me when I see how others receive my messages if I don't take that time to edit over and over again. Sarah Are you only sending plain text messages? Line length settings only apply to plain text messages. What font are you using to compose your messages? Do you copy and paste or do all new typing? Have you ever tried Quoted Printable? Tools, Options, Send, Mail, Plain text settings, Message sending format. SignatureRon Sommer > Bruce suggested I read about OE-QuoteFix: > http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Sarah > Are you only sending plain text messages? Yes > Line length settings only apply to plain text messages. 72 > What font are you using to compose your messages? 9 > Do you copy and paste or do all new typing? Rarely paste > Have you ever tried Quoted Printable? Tools, Options, Send, Mail, > Plain Was using uuencode. Now trying quoted printable. > text settings, Message sending format. I use all text. Read and sending >> Bruce suggested I read about OE-QuoteFix: >> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> >> Sarah : > Are you only sending plain text messages? : Yes [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : > What font are you using to compose your messages? : 9 What is the name of the font? : > Do you copy and paste or do all new typing? : Rarely paste [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] : >> : >> Sarah Buenas tardes: *Frank* escribió: >> Have you ever tried Quoted Printable? Tools, Options, Send, Mail, >> Plain > Was using uuencode. Now trying quoted printable. I would not recommend using quoted-printable because of this: http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#replychars Best use MIME with Textencoding:None. Should not have any influence on wrapping, anyways. Saludos Roland SignatureProbleme mit OE? Hier gibt es die Lösungen: <http://oe-faq.de>! "Diejenigen, die zu klug sind, um sich in der Politik zu engagieren, werden dadurch bestraft, daß sie von Leuten regiert werden, die dümmer sind als sie." (Platon) What does quoted text have to do with quoted printable? Quoted printable does not use wrapping. The text fills the width of the window. : Buenas tardes: *Frank* escribió: : [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] : Saludos : Roland (Platon) Ron: I have been using MIME / None. This canned reply is in Quoted Printable just as a test. Have my posts looked OK in the past on your machine? Is this different, for better, or worse? Thanks. Test: General precautions for Outlook Express: Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible. After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while working *offline* and do it often. Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until the compacting is completed. In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}. Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you sufficiently. If you are running XP/SP2, make sure you have the patch at this site. With it, a copy of your dbx files will be sent to the Recycle Bin. Should you lose messages while compacting for whatever reason, you will be able to restore them from this backup. Patch KB918766: http://tinyurl.com/mx3r2 Clear the Temporary Internet Files often. In IE | Tools | Internet Options | Delete Files button. And check the box to Delete Offline content. And backup often. Backup and Restore: http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/ http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx SignatureBruce Hagen MS MVP - Outlook Express ~IB-CA~ > What does quoted text have to do with quoted printable? > Quoted printable does not use wrapping. The text fills the width of the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > : > (Platon) Ron: I have been using MIME / None. This canned reply is in Quoted Printable just as a test. Have my posts looked OK in the past on your machine? Is this different, for better, or worse? Thanks. Test: General precautions for Outlook Express: Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible. After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while working *offline* and do it often. Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until the compacting is completed. In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}. Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you sufficiently. If you are running XP/SP2, make sure you have the patch at this site. With it, a copy of your dbx files will be sent to the Recycle Bin. Should you lose messages while compacting for whatever reason, you will be able to restore them from this backup. Patch KB918766: http://tinyurl.com/mx3r2 Clear the Temporary Internet Files often. In IE | Tools | Internet Options | Delete Files button. And check the box to Delete Offline content. And backup often. Backup and Restore: http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/ http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx SignatureBruce Hagen MS MVP - Outlook Express ~IB-CA~ > What does quoted text have to do with quoted printable? > Quoted printable does not use wrapping. The text fills the width of the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > : > (Platon) OEQuoteFix doesn't get the job done either. > OE-QuoteFix: > http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> >> Sarah Buenos días: *Frank* escribió: > OEQuoteFix doesn't get the job done either. Correctly configured, it definitely should! Line length should be same or less in OE-Quotefix than in OE, f.i. OE-Quotefix 74 and OE 76. This way, text processed by OE-Quotefix won't be wrapped again by OE when sent to the Outbox. Saludos Roland SignatureProbleme mit OE? Hier gibt es die Lösungen: <http://oe-faq.de>! "Was bedeutet schon Geld? Ein Mensch ist erfolgreich, wenn er zwischen Aufstehen und Schlafengehen das tut, was ihm gefällt." (B. Dylan) > Buenos días: *Frank* escribió: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Saludos > Roland I am somewhat envious. Spanish at the top, English in the middle then German at the bottom. To stay on topic OEQuote fix says to make all the settings 72. Your settings may help. Buenas tardes: *Frank* escribió: >> Correctly configured, it definitely should! Line length should be same >> or less in OE-Quotefix than in OE, f.i. OE-Quotefix 74 and OE 76. > I am somewhat envious. Spanish at the top, English in the middle > then German at the bottom. Spanish I speak only a little and German is my native language, so I have an advantage there. <g> > To stay on topic OEQuote fix says to make all the settings 72. Yes, it /should/ work this way, but reports say a little difference in the settings might be more reliable. Your quoting now of my message looked fine, but might have been coincidential. Saludos Roland SignatureProbleme mit OE? Hier gibt es die Lösungen: <http://oe-faq.de>! "Kleinlebewesen vermehren sich durch Zellteilung, Bürokraten durch Arbeitsteilung." (J. Lewis) > Buenos días: *Frank* escribió: > >> OEQuoteFix doesn't get the job done either. > > Correctly configured, it definitely should! Would that "correct configuration" include disabling F=F? <EG> Robert --- "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> schrieb: >> Buenos días: *Frank* escribió: >>> OEQuoteFix doesn't get the job done either. >> Correctly configured, it definitely should! > Would that "correct configuration" include disabling F=F? <EG> Glad you asked, Robert! It would indeed. <eg> Saludos Roland SignatureVista 5472 Ultimate x86 German - clean install > My own outgoing messages have irregular line breaks, no matter where I set > my wrap. Lines are of varying lengths for no apparent reason. If I edit [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sarah Setting a line length (at 78 or less - down to 72) will keep each line from wrapping, and leaving one or two words on the next line - yes, BUT - There seems to be a "paragraph limit" that also causes a wrap, of sorts. When composing a letter, pause and close it... You will be asked if you want to save it. Say yes and you will find it in the DRAFTS folder. Open it again and it will be shown just as if it had been sent - lines wrapped - and paragraphs wrapped (chopped off just as a line would be) This can be done multiple times, while you re-word or rearrange sentences by hand for formatting... a real pain - but I have not been able to find another way around this... Ah, yes, that's what I do - it can be done from Outgoing, too, not just Drafts - but it is a major PITA. I was hoping OE could be told to do what the line wrap setting seems to imply it will do. If Word and Word Perfect can do it, why can't OE? The problem is either worse in the recent past or I am finding it more annoying. I am not sure which! Sarah Phants wrote: > When composing a letter, pause and close it... You will be asked if you > want to save it. Say yes and you will find it in the DRAFTS folder. Open [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > by hand for formatting... a real pain - but I have not been able to find > another way around this... It is very annoying to see one of my posts all out of whack. This seems to have been going on for a long time. 4,5 and 6. What also annoys me is when someone don't use the return key and one long line appears. > Ah, yes, that's what I do - it can be done from Outgoing, too, not > just [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> find >> another way around this... For new messages, press ENTER only at the end of a paragraph. OE does not apply wrapping as you type but rather as the message is written to the outbox or drafts folder. If you go back and edit a saved message, the wrapping will get screwed up if you insert or delete text. The only way to fix that is to put back together the rest of the paragraph but deleting the carriage returns at the end of each line after the insert/delete point to the end of the paragraph. SignatureMike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm > My own outgoing messages have irregular line breaks, no matter where I > set my wrap. Lines are of varying lengths for no apparent reason. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sarah > My own outgoing messages have irregular line breaks, no > matter where I set my wrap. Lines are of varying lengths > for no apparent reason. Tip: before pressing Send, maximize your composition window in order to expose the presence of any truncated lines. E.g. when you use a specific linesize you must ensure that all your paragraphs flow continuously; otherwise the lines written in Drafts or the Outbox will be short. > If I edit the outgoing message to > get rid of ridiculously short lines, by hitting delete to > get rid of what would be hard or soft returns in word > processing, the same or a different stupid line break gets > in. Are you reflowing the whole paragraph that those lines are in? If not and if you want those words left where you put them you would have to increase your linesize. Unfortunately, the way the linesize setting works you have to change it *before* opening the composition window. > I just had two message go out looking just awful, with no > logic to the right "margin" at all. (I'd copy them but the > subject matter is not one I am inclined to share, since it > involves other people's financial matters.) > > Is there anything I can do to force OE to wrap correctly? Provided you always flow your paragraphs and are content with what your linesize implies how they will be formatted I think that OE *does* wrap "correctly." The problem is that we don't always like looking at that formatting. HTH Robert --- > Is this line break problem in my configuration or the posters? > If mine how do I correct. _See the carats_. Yours. The problem is that your linesize is less than the poster's. And if you look at the original post's headers you won't find this header X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original (which I just extracted from *your* post. <w>) If that header was in the other post you might have different results even though your linesize is smaller than the original post's linesize. Unfortunately, it may not be as simple as that either. E.g. I suspect that, in addition to that header, in order to reflow the quoted material there has to be a trailing blank on each line. However, you may be able to force such a reflow by ensuring that each quoted line you wish to reflow had a trailing blank and adding one if necessary. (E.g. press End on each line and press Space if there isn't already a space after the last character in the line.) In fact, that is why I have a problem with Format=Flowed. You see, I still use linesize=132 (the max) and do my own formatting. Here is an excerpt of something I previously wrote about that: <excerpt> the Format=Flowed feature with *my* line length would have reformatted my quotes from *your* short lines into my *long* lines *after* I sent my reply. In order to deal with this I have to consistently examine the Properties of each reply in my Outbox, checking if the above header is present. When I find it I have to reopen the message and replace the unwanted formatting with what I originally wrote. This happens often enough that I have developed a regular procedure when posting online: Ctrl-a,Ctrl-c,Alt-F,W,Alt-S. Provided I don't accidentally change the contents of my Clipboard before finding that I need to fix the reply I can do that easily by opening it, selecting it all, and pasting the old contents over the selected. E.g. Ctrl-a,Ctrl-v. Fortunately, the Format=Flowed; Response header then changes into a Format=Flowed; Original header and my formatting is thus left alone. </excerpt> BTW Roland has a zap to registry available if you would like to try avoiding Format=Flowed altogether but then you would be back to the old problem of always having to have a larger linesize than your original poster's. <eg> FYI Robert Aldwinckle --- >> Back again now ready to put my personal files and settings on the >> second > ^^^^^^^^^ ... "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> schrieb: > BTW Roland has a zap to registry available if you would > like to try avoiding Format=Flowed altogether > but then you would be back to the old problem of always > having to have a larger linesize than your original poster's. > <eg> An easily resolved problem with a linesize of 132! As opposed to checking each message's properties ere replying, I should think. <g> OE-Quotefix is the easiest solution available, especially for users who might not want to go editing the registry. But those who want to can disable F=F here for all users: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express: "Disable RFC2646 Wrapping"=dword:00000001 Or in HKCU for the current user. Thanks for elaborating on the context, Robert, I was avoiding this cumbersome task in English which I already dread to exercise in German. ;-) Saludos Roland SignatureVista 5472 Ultimate x86 German - clean install |
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