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Windows Forum / Outlook Express / General Topics / August 2007Message deletion and compact: no change in store size
I'm backing up my PC for my move this weekend, and I want to fit my OE 6.0 message store onto one CD-R. Since its size was 745MB, I deleted several of the largest e-mails (1-8MB), then compacted (while offline). I can't remember the exact steps I've taken, but early on there was no change, while now it sits at 779MB. (?!) What am I not doing right here? I also defragged just prior to this post, and no change on the 779MB. Did you empty the Deleted Items folder? What is the size of the largest dbx file?  SignatureRonald Sommer : I'm backing up my PC for my move this weekend, and I want to fit my OE 6.0 : message store onto one CD-R. Since its size was 745MB, I deleted several of : the largest e-mails (1-8MB), then compacted (while offline). I can't : remember the exact steps I've taken, but early on there was no change, while : now it sits at 779MB. (?!) What am I not doing right here? I also defragged : just prior to this post, and no change on the 779MB. Deleted Items empty, as are Inbox and Sent Items, the latter of which is saved to personal folder "Sent Items Storage" (the largest dbx by twice at 286M). > Did you empty the Deleted Items folder? > What is the size of the largest dbx file? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > defragged > : just prior to this post, and no change on the 779MB. The folders are empty, but what is their size? You can put Sent Items Storage on one CD and the rest on another CD. The dbx files can't be imported from the CD anyway. SignatureRonald Sommer : Deleted Items empty, as are Inbox and Sent Items, the latter of which is : saved to personal folder "Sent Items Storage" (the largest dbx by twice at [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] : > defragged : > : just prior to this post, and no change on the 779MB. Deleted Items is 106M. Inbox is 17M. Sent Items is 24M. I can see where you're leading me here. Delete these empty DBXs, reclaim the space, regenerate the default folders? BTW, I've been backing up the entire store at the "Outlook Express" folder level. Shouldn't that work for restoring (if necessary) all the DBXs simultaneously? Or should I back up the store from a higher point, say, the "Identities" level? > The folders are empty, but what is their size? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > : > defragged > : > : just prior to this post, and no change on the 779MB. My empty Deleted Items is 59 kb. I am wondering why if you are compacting folders, the files are so big. Make sure you are in the correct Identity, then delete the files or move them out of the Store Folder. Backing up at the Identities level only helps if you are also backing up the Registry keys, so you can do a clone backup. Where OE problems are caused by Registry corruption, a backup of the OE Registry keys aren't useful. SignatureRonald Sommer : Deleted Items is 106M. Inbox is 17M. Sent Items is 24M. I can see where : you're leading me here. Delete these empty DBXs, reclaim the space, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] : > : > defragged : > : > : just prior to this post, and no change on the 779MB. Ron, thanks anyway, see my latest response to PA Bear below, which I posted at the same moment as your last reply. One of these days I should really just delete much of it..."one of these days"... > My empty Deleted Items is 59 kb. > I am wondering why if you are compacting folders, the files are so big. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > : > : > defragged > : > : > : just prior to this post, and no change on the 779MB. Windows version? Compacting all OE folders http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact Signature~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org > I'm backing up my PC for my move this weekend, and I want to fit my OE 6.0 > message store onto one CD-R. Since its size was 745MB, I deleted several [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > now it sits at 779MB. (?!) What am I not doing right here? I also > defragged just prior to this post, and no change on the 779MB. XP Home, SP2 and all updates applied > Windows version? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > now it sits at 779MB. (?!) What am I not doing right here? I also > > defragged just prior to this post, and no change on the 779MB. Did you compact all OE folders per http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact ?? > XP Home, SP2 and all updates applied > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>> now it sits at 779MB. (?!) What am I not doing right here? I also >>> defragged just prior to this post, and no change on the 779MB. Followed the instructions you provided. Store folder now 408MB. I thought compacting was done by clicking Tools| Options| Maintenance| Clean up Now, then Compact, but the link you provided said this is only for news folders. (It would be nice if this was made clear in Options, in the text next to either the Clean up Now or the Compact buttons.) In any case, thanks for the help! > Did you compact all OE folders per > http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact ?? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >>> now it sits at 779MB. (?!) What am I not doing right here? I also > >>> defragged just prior to this post, and no change on the 779MB. Very good. Once you move the data to the other machine (or possibly beforehand) you may want to consider archiving some of the older data elsewhere (e.g., another, easily identical identity; removable media). If you do so beforehand, remember to compact all folders in both identities before backing them up. => References: Backup & Restore OE Data http://www.insideoe.com/backup/index.htm http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx <=includes info on Windows Mail in Vista Importing OE Data (all DBX files, including Folders.dbx) http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/how.htm#importOE5 => General OE Caveats: - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local folders created for this purpose. - Empty Deleted Items folder daily. - Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm - WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is automatically compacting your message store. - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause such corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection. Signature~PA Bear > Followed the instructions you provided. Store folder now 408MB. I > thought [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>>>> now it sits at 779MB. (?!) What am I not doing right here? I also >>>>> defragged just prior to this post, and no change on the 779MB. |
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