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TeresaEllen - 26 Feb 2008 22:15 GMT
When composing an email is it possible to move the margin on the right the
way the lefthand side can be indented?

I receive junk emails that are centred on the page - how do they do that -
does anybody know?

Many thanks

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PA Bear [MS MVP] - 26 Feb 2008 22:26 GMT
A1. No.

A2. In an HTML message, use the Center option in the formatting toolbar.
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> When composing an email is it possible to move the margin on the right the
> way the lefthand side can be indented?
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TeresaEllen - 26 Feb 2008 22:54 GMT
When I said I have received emails that are in the centre I mean they are in
the centre of the page - justified - with a two inch margin either side.
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Bruce Hagen - 27 Feb 2008 00:52 GMT
You are replying to yourself, which doesn't help anyone keep track of what
you are asking about. Please respond to the poster you want to ask/continue
the questions with.

You have no control of how received messages were formatted by the sender.
If they put the text, or graphic, in the center, then WYSIWYG.
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> When I said I have received emails that are in the centre I mean they are
> in
> the centre of the page - justified - with a two inch margin either side.
TeresaEllen - 27 Feb 2008 18:45 GMT
I am sorry I was replying to myself - I thought I was replying to PA Bear - I
had in fact sent a reply to PA Bear a few minutes before - but apparently
that got lost in the post as it didn't appear!  So I am sorry if I am
confusing everybody but I am new to this!  

And in reply to your message - I do realise that I have no control over
other peoples emails to me - what I am trying to do is emulate them!  

Is this clear enough for you?

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> You are replying to yourself, which doesn't help anyone keep track of what
> you are asking about. Please respond to the poster you want to ask/continue
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> > the centre of the page - justified - with a two inch margin either side.
Kay - 28 Feb 2008 09:44 GMT
TeresaEllen, I suggest you try the privatenews.microsoft.com
group,
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress.stationery

I think that's the right link but I'm sure Bruce or P A Bear can
tell you how to access it.

Someone there will be able to see you through.
I know how to do it but am only a novice myself.

Good luck!

I am sorry I was replying to myself - I thought I was replying to
PA Bear - I
had in fact sent a reply to PA Bear a few minutes before - but
apparently
that got lost in the post as it didn't appear!  So I am sorry if
I am
confusing everybody but I am new to this!

And in reply to your message - I do realise that I have no
control over
other peoples emails to me - what I am trying to do is emulate
them!

Is this clear enough for you?

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LibraLady1

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

> You are replying to yourself, which doesn't help anyone keep
> track of what
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> > the centre of the page - justified - with a two inch margin
> > either side.
VanguardLH - 27 Feb 2008 14:56 GMT
> When composing an email is it possible to move the margin on the
> right the
> way the lefthand side can be indented?

Outlook Express is not a full-fledged HTML editor.  If you want to
compose an e-mail that can utilize everything available in HTML then
you will need to use a better HTML editor, one that also lets you send
e-mail from that editor.  Outlook Express provides enough HTML
formatting capabilities to compose "normal" e-mails, not everyone that
a spammer might like, or some marketing boob, or someone enamored with
formatting that does nothing to add content to their message.

> I receive junk emails that are centred on the page - how do they do
> that -
> does anybody know?

They compose using HTML formatting.
TeresaEllen - 27 Feb 2008 18:55 GMT
Vanguard - thank you for your reply.  

As I have only ever used emails in a "working environment"  I am at a loss
to know how I do I find a "better HTML editor" .  I have tried composing me
emails in Word and copying it but it doesn't work that way - they just
default back.

Also do I note a hint of sarcasm in your post - because I like to embellish
my emails?  

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> > When composing an email is it possible to move the margin on the
> > right the
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> They compose using HTML formatting.
VanguardLH - 27 Feb 2008 21:14 GMT
> Vanguard - thank you for your reply.
>
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> just
> default back.

Don't copy and paste from Word.  Firstly, you are copying the rendered
version of the content into OE which may not contain all the
formatting codes.  Secondly, OE is not a full-fledged HTML editor and
will not understand all the HTML codes that Word will use.  You need
to get the body of your message inserted into an e-mail *without* OE
touching or parsing that input.  Use the File -> Send To -> Mail
Recipient menu.  Do your indenting in Word and then e-mail that
document.  Word should convert to HTML.

Word, by the way, is a lousy HTML editor but it is something that many
users know how to use.  There is a LOT of bloat added to
HTML-formatted e-mails created by Word.  Besides just plain bad HTML
coding practices, Word also adds directives to those e-mails that only
Word can understand (i.e., they are not HTML coding but special to
Word).  In other words, Word doesn't create purely HTML-formatted
e-mails; however, most users don't go get an HTML editor to compose
their e-mails.  They just use whatever HTML their e-mail client
supports regardless of what gets stuck into the e-mail.  I believe
Word has a web or HTML view mode so you can see what your e-mail might
look like; however, remember that e-mail users often read e-mails in
MUCH smaller preview panes or windows than when viewing a Word
document in a fully maximized window.
TeresaEllen - 27 Feb 2008 22:16 GMT
Thank you for your explicit instructions.  I have just carried them out and
sent the email to myself.  I have not yet received it.  Perhaps I did
something wrong.

1.    Opened a new document in Word.
2.    Clicked on the email tab – which brought up the address bar
3.    Addressed it to myself.
4.    I then copied in some text
5.    Then I clicked on File
6.    Clicked on Send to
7.    Clicked on Mail Recipient.

15 minutes later – no email.

I am sorry if this is long-winded but I am old as well!!

Can you make any amendments to this or am I flogging a dead horse!
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> > Vanguard - thank you for your reply.
> >
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> MUCH smaller preview panes or windows than when viewing a Word
> document in a fully maximized window.
VanguardLH - 27 Feb 2008 22:44 GMT
> Thank you for your explicit instructions.  I have just carried them
> out and
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>
> I am sorry if this is long-winded but I am old as well!!

Was Outlook running at the time you sent the e-mail from Word?

Items that are programmatically added to Outlook's Outbox do not get
sent.  That is because only a stub of code for Outlook got loaded to
accept the program that sent it the message to send.  Once the item is
sent to Outlook, Outlook then exits which means Outlook isn't around
anymore to do the sending.  When you open Outlook, you will see the
item sitting in your Outbox.  Because it wasn't Outlook that created
the new item in Outbox, Outlook doesn't get triggered to send the
item.  You have to open the item and Send it (again).  Yeah, a pain,
and another reason why I never bother using Word to send e-mails (but
then any program that programmatically sends e-mail [to Outlook] has
the same problem [with Outlook]).

You send a message to whatever is the currently selected default MAPI
client.  If that is Outlook, enough of Outlook loads to accept the
message and then Outlook exits.  Because Outlook is not running after
accepting the message, Outlook isn't around to do the sending of the
message.  If you open Outlook, your new message is probably still
sitting in the Outbox.
PA Bear [MS MVP] - 28 Feb 2008 01:06 GMT
>> Thank you for your explicit instructions.  I have just carried them
>> out and
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> Was Outlook running at the time you sent the e-mail from Word?

As she's posted in OE General, one assume's that OE is her default Mail
Client, not OL.
VanguardLH - 28 Feb 2008 12:03 GMT
>>> Thank you for your explicit instructions.  I have just carried
>>> them
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> As she's posted in OE General, one assume's that OE is her default
> Mail Client, not OL.

Oops.  Then she needs to check in OE if the test e-mail is still
sitting in her Outbox or if there is a copy in the Sent Items folder.
TeresaEllen - 27 Feb 2008 22:42 GMT
I still didn't receive the email -
I did the same thing again except instead of File/Send to/Mail recipient
I clicked on the Send a copy tab that came with the email address bar (does
that make sense) anyway - I received the email - the only problem is it
defaulted back to a normal email - right across the page!

As I said before - any other ideas?

Many thanks
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> > Vanguard - thank you for your reply.
> >
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> MUCH smaller preview panes or windows than when viewing a Word
> document in a fully maximized window.
TeresaEllen - 28 Feb 2008 16:16 GMT
Kay, Vanguard and PA Bear

Thank you all very much - I will try this last suggestion and see what
happens.
BTW - you were right about the previous emails being stuck somewhere - they
did arrive later but unformatted as usual!

Many thanks again one and all.

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> Vanguard - thank you for your reply.  
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> > They compose using HTML formatting.
 
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