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Can't connect to the Internet!?

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Stephen Quist - 26 Mar 2008 20:38 GMT
Hi,

I'm using VPC2007 on an XPSP2 host. I put Vista in as a guest OS.

It can see the local network, the host machines and others here, but it
cannot connect
the Internet. I put a XP guest in and it can see the Net. What's up with the
Vista guest?
As it is I can't even activate it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

steve
Sebastian G. - 26 Mar 2008 21:31 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> Any suggestions?

Hm? You're expecting Vista to work reliably in any way? Pretty unjustified...
Stephen Quist - 26 Mar 2008 23:40 GMT
Do you feel better now? Good.

>> Hi,
>>
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> Hm? You're expecting Vista to work reliably in any way? Pretty
> unjustified...
Sebastian G. - 27 Mar 2008 00:58 GMT
Stephen Quist wrote: [broken quoting corrected]

>> Hm? You're expecting Vista to work reliably in any way? Pretty
>> unjustified...

> Do you feel better now? Good.

Seems like you have a problem with a very serious and trivial way to solve
problems. All worlds knows (correctly) that Vista is utterly broken, so
replacing it with a serious operating system is likely to solve such random
errors, or at least giving a chance to diagnose the actual cause without
mangling it with these random errors.
Stephen Quist - 27 Mar 2008 14:15 GMT
You must work for Microsoft. What you say is true but completely useless.
Did it occur to you that I put Vista in the VM because it's on Vista that I
need
to get something to work?

> Stephen Quist wrote: [broken quoting corrected]
>
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> random errors, or at least giving a chance to diagnose the actual cause
> without mangling it with these random errors.
Sebastian G. - 27 Mar 2008 14:53 GMT
> You must work for Microsoft. What you say is true but completely useless.
> Did it occur to you that I put Vista in the VM because it's on Vista that I
> need to get something to work?

Possibly, but shouldn't be assumed. Most people use VMs to test out other
OSes before installing them on the real machine, without any actual need.
Colin Barnhorst - 26 Mar 2008 21:49 GMT
Did you install the virtual machine additions?

> Hi,
>
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>
> steve
Stephen Quist - 26 Mar 2008 23:39 GMT
Yes, I did. The fact that I can see the local network means the NIC is
working. The DNS and gateway settings come from the DHCP server.
They look right. I'm kind of stumped. Could it be a firewall issue? If so,
which one? The Vista one or the XP one?

> Did you install the virtual machine additions?
>
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>>
>> steve
Steve Jain - 27 Mar 2008 00:24 GMT
>Yes, I did. The fact that I can see the local network means the NIC is
>working. The DNS and gateway settings come from the DHCP server.
>They look right. I'm kind of stumped. Could it be a firewall issue? If so,
>which one? The Vista one or the XP one?

Check the firewall on the host, occasionally this will block traffic
from the VM.

Can you ping the gateway and DNS servers?

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Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
I do not work for Microsoft.

Bo Berglund - 27 Mar 2008 07:15 GMT
>>Yes, I did. The fact that I can see the local network means the NIC is
>>working. The DNS and gateway settings come from the DHCP server.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Can you ping the gateway and DNS servers?

Wait a minute! How can the firewall on the *host* block a virtual
machine that uses the host hardware NIC?
All previous discussions have pointed out that the VPC network service
goes below any host software and passes traffic "under the hood" to
the guest system if the guest's MAC address is used.

How can now suddenly the opposite be true????

Bo Berglund
Robert Comer - 27 Mar 2008 12:09 GMT
It can happen, some of the firewalls work "under the hood" too.

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Bob Comer

>>>Yes, I did. The fact that I can see the local network means the NIC is
>>>working. The DNS and gateway settings come from the DHCP server.
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>
>Bo Berglund
Sebastian G. - 27 Mar 2008 14:06 GMT
> Wait a minute! How can the firewall on the *host* block a virtual
> machine that uses the host hardware NIC?

Because the virtual machine doesn't access the host's NIC directly, but goes
through all the emulation, and the emulation itself simply calls into the
NDIS stack. Depending on where the firewall's filter driver sits in the
stack, it may apply its policies to such traffic as well.
Stephen Quist - 27 Mar 2008 14:20 GMT
Well, the story got a little more complicated (or less, depending on your
perspective).
I could ping the gateway and DNS servers.
With more investigation I found I could access sites such as Google.com and
cnn.com.
It's microsoft.com that it won't connect to! Feh.

Steve

>>Yes, I did. The fact that I can see the local network means the NIC is
>>working. The DNS and gateway settings come from the DHCP server.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Can you ping the gateway and DNS servers?
Frank vdB - 29 Mar 2008 15:54 GMT
I have the problem.
The problem is the firewall at the host.
When I dactivate the firewall I can connect to the intenet.
Now I'm figuring out what settings I must put in the firewall (Trend Micro
Internet Security 2008).
Or does someone know how to configure the firewall on the host pc.

Frank

> Well, the story got a little more complicated (or less, depending on your
> perspective).
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> >
> > Can you ping the gateway and DNS servers?
Sebastian G. - 29 Mar 2008 16:10 GMT
> I have the problem.
> The problem is the firewall at the host.
> When I dactivate the firewall I can connect to the intenet.
> Now I'm figuring out what settings I must put in the firewall (Trend Micro
> Internet Security 2008).
> Or does someone know how to configure the firewall on the host pc.

Obviously works as designed: messing up the network. So where's your problem?
 
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