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1 Ghz not enough?

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Carl - 06 May 2008 15:23 GMT
Its very slow running 2 xp, the disk seldom stops and blocks other programs,
how many Ghz is needed?
Carl - 06 May 2008 15:55 GMT
I'll try this after work :
Troubleshooting Virtual PC

> Its very slow running 2 xp, the disk seldom stops and blocks other
> programs, how many Ghz is needed?
Anonymous Remailer (austria) - 06 May 2008 16:38 GMT
> Its very slow running 2 xp, the disk seldom stops and blocks other programs,
> how many Ghz is needed?

You probably need more RAM.
Mark Rae [MVP] - 06 May 2008 16:46 GMT
> Its very slow running 2 xp, the disk seldom stops and blocks other
> programs, how many Ghz is needed?

More importantly:

1) how much RAM does the host have?

2) how much RAM have you allocated to the VMs?

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Carl - 06 May 2008 18:40 GMT
>> Its very slow running 2 xp, the disk seldom stops and blocks other
>> programs, how many Ghz is needed?
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> 2) how much RAM have you allocated to the VMs?

256

128

I'll try to change it
Colin Barnhorst - 06 May 2008 19:48 GMT
You need a lot more ram.  A lot more.

>>> Its very slow running 2 xp, the disk seldom stops and blocks other
>>> programs, how many Ghz is needed?
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> I'll try to change it
Carl - 06 May 2008 19:58 GMT
How much?

Nothing of it here :(

> You need a lot more ram.  A lot more.
>
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>>
>> I'll try to change it
Carl - 06 May 2008 20:08 GMT
Forgot
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/sysreq.mspx

but see now 128 should be good for xp

> How much?
>
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>>> I'll try to change it
Steve Jain - 06 May 2008 20:41 GMT
So you're running the bare minimums and you're wondering why it's
running slow?
128MB for the host, 40MB of that is used by the VPC application so
that leaves you with probaly 40-60MB of actual free RAM, you're going
to be be paging to disk alot.  Especially, since you're running other
programs.

Also, a 1GHz CPU split between tow instanes of XP, host and guest,
will run slowly.

Do you have the guest XP on the same hard drive as the the host XP? If
so, there's another big performance hit, disk contention.

>Forgot
>http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/sysreq.mspx
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>>>> I'll try to change it

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Carl - 06 May 2008 21:54 GMT
My 256 must be divided between two, if I allocate 256 for VPC there is nada
for my host, thats why 128 is default?

I'll try 2 disks later and may plug in another 128 at least.
My host runs lower than 2 Gb now so I'll try to extend it with Part. Magic.
So it will run faster on 2 disks but not on 2 partitions?

> So you're running the bare minimums and you're wondering why it's
> running slow?
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>>>>>
>>>>> I'll try to change it
Mark Rae [MVP] - 06 May 2008 22:21 GMT
> My 256 must be divided between two, if I allocate 256 for VPC there is
> nada for my host, thats why 128 is default?

RAM is not allocated to Virtual PC - it's allocated to each virtual machine
according to the virtual machine's individual setting...

> I'll try 2 disks later and may plug in another 128 at least.

IMO, that will still be a ridiculously low amount of RAM for what you're
trying to do...

> So it will run faster on 2 disks but not on 2 partitions?

Not really, unless the two disks are connected to different disk
controllers...

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Steve Jain - 06 May 2008 22:22 GMT
>My 256 must be divided between two, if I allocate 256 for VPC there is nada
>for my host, thats why 128 is default?

Yes, you need to have enough RAM for the host, 128MB is required by an
XP host, 512MB for a Vista host.

>I'll try 2 disks later and may plug in another 128 at least.

You want more RAM on the host, unless you're going to be doing nothing
other than running VPC.  Starving the host OS for RAM will cause a big
performance hit.

>My host runs lower than 2 Gb now so I'll try to extend it with Part. Magic.
>So it will run faster on 2 disks but not on 2 partitions?

Splitting the drive into 2 partitions won't help, more likely decrease
performance, since you'll probably be bouncing the head even farther
as you travel back and forth between the host OS partition and the
partition where the guest OS is located.

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Mark Rae [MVP] - 06 May 2008 20:56 GMT
>> More importantly:
>>
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> 128

I'm surprised the host even boots up, never mind the guests...

Microsoft's bare minimum RAM values are all well and good in theory, but in
practice they are woefully inadequate.

XP needs at least 1Gb RAM before you can use it for anything useful, and
that includes host and guest...

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Colin Barnhorst - 06 May 2008 21:14 GMT
Well, that I don't agree with.  512mb has always been fine for me for XP and
384mb has been pretty good.  Even 256mb is OK for most apps.  For running
another instance of XP in a vm I would recommend 1GB total but 784mb will do
pretty well with 256mb allocated to the guest.   But whatever, I just don't
think that 1GB is necessary for good performance of XP.

>>> More importantly:
>>>
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> XP needs at least 1Gb RAM before you can use it for anything useful, and
> that includes host and guest...
Mark Rae [MVP] - 06 May 2008 21:39 GMT
>>>> 1) how much RAM does the host have?
>>>>
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> whatever, I just don't think that 1GB is necessary for good performance of
> XP.

Fair enough.

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