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Windows Forum / Virtual PC / July 2008New operating system in Virtual PC
I want to try a different operating system and office suite in Virtual PC 2007, which I have just downloaded from the Microsoft site. If I decide I like the operating system can I install it as my "proper" OS without problems with activation and/or validation. What I'm trying to do is evaluate Office 2007 without upsetting my Office 2003 installation which I need for a computer course I'm studying. The instructions and screenshots in the course refer specifically to Office 2003 so I don't want to make changes that I cannot undo. At the moment I'm running XP Pro Media Edition with Office 2003, but will probably end up using Vista and 2007 when I've completed my course, and this is what I intend to install in Virtual PC if it will work. Any ideas? Thanks. > I want to try a different operating system and office suite in Virtual PC > 2007, which I have just downloaded from the Microsoft site. If I decide I > like the operating system can I install it as my "proper" OS without > problems > with activation and/or validation. Yes you can but, obviously, you still need your "proper" OS to boot your PC and launch VPC first... :-) > What I'm trying to do is evaluate Office 2007 VPC is perfect for software evaluation - almost designed specifically for it, you might say... > Any ideas? Vista and Office 2007 will work perfectly in a virtual machine. A couple of things, though: 1) A virtual machine is considered the same as a physical machine in terms of licensing - so you'll need a separate licence for Vista and a separate licence for Office 2007. However, if you were to sign up for Technet or MSDN, you could install the software on as many virtual machines as you like so long as it was for development, testing or demonstration purposes - you would be covered under this because you'd be developing your training course documentation... 2) A virtual machine needs as much RAM as a physical machine - Vista with Office 2007 needs at least 1GB RAM to run anything like efficiently, though others disagree. Also, however much RAM you allocate to your virtual machine(s) reduces the amount of RAM available to your host, so make sure your host has got plenty...  SignatureMark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net Thanks very much for your reply. My decision is easier to make now, and I understand the importance of the Technet reference, but I'm still unsure about my licencing position when I make the Vista/Office 2007 installation my "proper" installation, that is, when I abandon my XP Pro/Office 2003 setup when I've completed my course. I hope I'm not wasting your time or have missed the obvious, but when I install Vista and Office 2007 as my "real" setup will I not have issues with re-installing when there will be a record of a previous installation when I authenticate / validate the new installation. I've never done this before and I can't afford to make mistakes. Also, I was going to upgrade my memory anyway, so this is a good reason to this first. Thanks again. > > I want to try a different operating system and office suite in Virtual PC > > 2007, which I have just downloaded from the Microsoft site. If I decide I [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > machine(s) reduces the amount of RAM available to your host, so make sure > your host has got plenty... [top-posting corrected] >>> I want to try a different operating system and office suite in Virtual >>> PC [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > "proper" installation, that is, when I abandon my XP Pro/Office 2003 setup > when I've completed my course. VPC is an application, not a dual-boot facility. So, if you want to make Vista / Office 2007 your "proper" installation, you will have to trash your XP machine first - don't even think about trying to upgrade. That means that you will need a licence for Vista and a licence for Office 2007. > I hope I'm not wasting your time or have missed the obvious, but when I > install Vista and Office 2007 as my "real" setup will I not have issues [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and > I can't afford to make mistakes. No. As above, you will need to trash your existing XP installation first... > Also, I was going to upgrade my memory anyway, so this is a good reason to > this first. Yes indeed. SignatureMark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net > [top-posting corrected] > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Vista / Office 2007 your "proper" installation, you will have to trash your > XP machine first - don't even think about trying to upgrade. Bad advise. Upgrading XP to Vista works for most people, and there's the added advantage of not having to worry about drivers and other problems that you will run into with a clean install of Vista. I would have had to purchase a new scanner and printer had I not gone the upgrade path. >> VPC is an application, not a dual-boot facility. So, if you want to make >> Vista / Office 2007 your "proper" installation, you will have to trash >> your >> XP machine first - don't even think about trying to upgrade. > > Bad (advise) advice. I disagree. > Upgrading XP to Vista works for most people, and there's the added > advantage of not having to worry about drivers and other problems that you > will run into with a clean install of Vista. I would have had to purchase > a > new scanner and printer had I not gone the upgrade path. Upgrading an operating system is always the wrong answer. If you're using XP drivers in Vista, then you're using the wrong drivers... If your hardware doesn't have native Vista drivers, then upgrade your hardware or stay with XP - anything else is just a kludge... SignatureMark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net > >> VPC is an application, not a dual-boot facility. So, if you want to make > >> Vista / Office 2007 your "proper" installation, you will have to trash [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Upgrading an operating system is always the wrong answer. More bad advice. But, since you're so sure of your advice, what about this scenario? I have a software package that requires online activation, but the company has since gone out of business. What is your advice? Let me guess. Buy new software. >> Upgrading an operating system is always the wrong answer. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Let me guess. Buy new software. Yes. Definitely. Using software supplied by a company who has gone out of business is crazy, IMO. SignatureMark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net Since all installations of Vista are clean installs of the OS (unlike XP), the common complaints about upgrading does not really apply. IMO if an upgraded system is sluggish it would have been just as sluggish with a clean install once the same old apps are reinstalled. >>> VPC is an application, not a dual-boot facility. So, if you want to make >>> Vista / Office 2007 your "proper" installation, you will have to trash [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > hardware doesn't have native Vista drivers, then upgrade your hardware or > stay with XP - anything else is just a kludge... VPC is perfect for evaluating software. However, all the usual licensing terms apply. If you meant the TechNet site at the Microsoft site you downloaded the software from then just evaluate the software under the terms of your TechNet subscription. If you are downloading the trial copy from the Office download center you can do your evaluation within the grace period. The advantage is that after the evaluation you can simply dump the software. If you decide to install Office 2007 on your host then keep in mind that you can run both the 2003 and 2007 software in parallel with the exception of Outlook. You must choose one version or the other. >I want to try a different operating system and office suite in Virtual PC > 2007, which I have just downloaded from the Microsoft site. If I decide I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > and this is what I intend to install in Virtual PC if it will work. Any > ideas? Thanks. Hi, thanks for your reply. I've read quite a few posts and comments about running the two versions of Office in parallel and noted the point you made about Outlook. This is not a major problem because I intend to use Office 2007 when I've completed my course (which requires Office 2003). The information I've gathered so far offers different, often conflicting, opinions about running the two versions, so I decided to play it safe by using Virtual PC. Have you, or any of your colleagues, run the two Offices suites together, and if so, what problems were encountered? I have already got 2003 on my machine, so installing in the right order shouldn't be a problem, but I can't afford to have my machine out of use if I have problems so obviously I'm worried because some of these actions are not realistically reversible without a re-install. Thanks again for your help. > VPC is perfect for evaluating software. However, all the usual licensing > terms apply. If you meant the TechNet site at the Microsoft site you [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > and this is what I intend to install in Virtual PC if it will work. Any > > ideas? Thanks. > Hi, thanks for your reply. > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >> > and this is what I intend to install in Virtual PC if it will work. Any >> > ideas? Thanks. You could always clone your current system before attempting to setup the two Office versions, knowing you can revert to as it was if things go wrong. Since you are only using Office 2003 until the coursework ends, why not put 2003 in the vm and go ahead with the change to 2007 on the host? > Hi, thanks for your reply. > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >> > and this is what I intend to install in Virtual PC if it will work. Any >> > ideas? Thanks. |
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