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JT - 15 Nov 2007 00:22 GMT
Hey all again.....

I have a windows XP 64 bit with dual processor (intel) gigabyte motherboard,
4gigs ram, onboard bigabyte ethernet controller set to automatically get an
IP address, this card is connected to my 4 port routher and have an inhouse
network.. I access the internet thru this controller..

I have finally found a PCI ethernet card that is compatable with the 64bit
OS.. There are several out there that are 64bit but need the PCI Express slot
to work...this one works with the standard PCI slot.. A USrobotics 10/100/1000

I have install the card and the software and it show up in the device
manager and everywhere else.. and says it is working correctly....

what Im doing with it is running a piece of equipment that uses a net
connection, I was getting some screwy communications thru the router, so
opted to go direct from an ethernet card...

the equipment runs perfectly from the onboard adaptor with a setting of
192.168.0.120, the equipment IP is set to 192.168.0.130

my problem is....I have set up the TCP/IP on the added 64bit card to
192.168.0.120, my equipment is set to 192.168.0.130

I have tried several different options to get this to work...

Not sure what to do here.. im an end user and not that great with network
stuff...

any help with this would be appreciated...

Thanks in advance
Charlie Russel - MVP - 15 Nov 2007 01:16 GMT
This isn't really a 64-bit question - it's a pure networking question. Would
be the same in 32-bit Windows.
That being said, there are several possibilities:

1.) you say you connected the equipment directly to the card. Normal cables
expect to connect to a hub/switch and have the other equipment on the
network connect to another port on the switch. If the two are directly
connected, they need to have a cross-over cable between them, unless one of
the NICs is "autosensing". Do you have a connection light? What is the
status of the connection in XP?

2.) You can't put this second NIC at the same IP address as your original
NIC. That's bad and won't work.

3.) You should really have the equipment and the second NIC on a completely
different subnet (range of IP addresses). You can either change the ip
addresses used by the 2nd NIC and the device, or you can change the
addresses being handed out and used by the router and the original NIC.
Change the 2nd NIC to 192.168.10.120, the equipment IP is set to
192.168.10.130. If you try to have them both on the same subnet you'll end
up with issues as Windows won't know which NIC to use to reach the equipment
and will try to default to the original one. By using fixed IP addresses in
a different subnet you solve that.

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> Hey all again.....
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> Thanks in advance
JT - 15 Nov 2007 01:44 GMT
Thanks a million..... that worked....

JT

> This isn't really a 64-bit question - it's a pure networking question. Would
> be the same in 32-bit Windows.
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> > Thanks in advance
Juergen Kluth - 15 Nov 2007 11:22 GMT
Hi Charly,
I think most Gig-Lan cards do support Auto-MDI-X with support for Cross Over
/ Straight Throug cabling.
regards jk
Charlie Russel - MVP - 15 Nov 2007 14:08 GMT
Many do. I have no idea if the US Robotics one does. IAC, I prefer to answer
with as general an answer as possible, since this is a one to many
environment and others read the answers and can learn. So I wanted to
provide guidance that would cover a broader range of problems that might be
related.

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> Hi Charly,
> I think most Gig-Lan cards do support Auto-MDI-X with support for Cross
> Over / Straight Throug cabling.
> regards jk
Drew - 15 Nov 2007 18:38 GMT
Charlie,

Couldn't you just disable the original onboard NIC through Network
Connections and use the same IP on the new card?  Or did I misunderstand the
OP?

Drew

> This isn't really a 64-bit question - it's a pure networking question.
> Would be the same in 32-bit Windows.
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>> Thanks in advance
Charlie Russel - MVP - 15 Nov 2007 18:52 GMT
Then the computer would lose connectivity with the router. And it's NEVER a
good idea to try to reuse an IP address from a card that is still present in
the machine.

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Gary J. Dikkema - 15 Nov 2007 20:33 GMT
So then, go into the Bios and disable the onboard nic... I've done that
before w/o any problems.

> Then the computer would lose connectivity with the router. And it's NEVER
> a good idea to try to reuse an IP address from a card that is still
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Charlie Russel - MVP - 15 Nov 2007 21:25 GMT
yes. But why? He still needs to connect to the router, he gains nothing by
trying to reuse that same address, and the next time he flashes his BIOS
he's got a conflict. And if that's 6 months from now, will he remember that
they have the same address? And all this to gain what, exactly?

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> So then, go into the Bios and disable the onboard nic... I've done that
> before w/o any problems.
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Gary J. Dikkema - 16 Nov 2007 02:00 GMT
So the question is why is the IP being used??? OK, good comment then. <VBG>

However, I have done this and it's been more than 6 months and the Bios has
been flashed and there were NO ill effects. <VBG> (for me) Sorry Charlie...

> yes. But why? He still needs to connect to the router, he gains nothing by
> trying to reuse that same address, and the next time he flashes his BIOS
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Charlie Russel - MVP - 16 Nov 2007 05:48 GMT
you must have one of those lucky BIOS's that will flash without resetting to
default. Heck, every time most ASUS mobos get flashed their USB reverts to
1.1 speed. :(

And yes, I'd expect you to remember and deal with it. ;)

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> So the question is why is the IP being used??? OK, good comment then.
> <VBG>
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Carlos - 16 Nov 2007 12:22 GMT
Charlie:
I have not used ASUS mobos lately but I can recall that there was a Windows
utility (ASUSUpdate) that could be used to download new BIOSes and flash from
within Windows.
That program had an option for retaining your current settings or resetting
them to their default.
I always opted for retaining my settings and never had any issues with that.
Don't know whether that utility runs in Vista.
Just saw an update of it (if you feel like trying) in www.station-drivers.com

Carlos

> you must have one of those lucky BIOS's that will flash without resetting to
> default. Heck, every time most ASUS mobos get flashed their USB reverts to
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Gary J. Dikkema - 16 Nov 2007 13:25 GMT
Yep, have used that for various mobos.

However, AFTER flashing I always go thru the Bios to ensure the settings are
the way 'they should be'.

Cheers!

> Charlie:
> I have not used ASUS mobos lately but I can recall that there was a
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Charlie Russel - MVP - 16 Nov 2007 14:25 GMT
Oh, yes, I've used that utility. It never actually managed to save them all.
I always end up having to check the settings anyway.

Oh, and yes, I'm pretty sure it runs in Vista.

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> Charlie:
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