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IS Windows XP 64 crippled?

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vidmark - 12 Feb 2008 16:31 GMT
Whoa! Just installed Windows XP 64 and right away I noticed that I cannot
display streaming videos such as from Youtube. I couldn't get Flash to work
either. Anybody?
Theo - 12 Feb 2008 16:54 GMT
No Windows x64 is not crippled!

It's a matter of 3rd party support and something that is
pointed out to anyone taking the time to do some research
before installing the system.

I would have to boot up my x64, but I believe Flash is
installed.  I personally don't recall any problems with
streaming video from the news site.

> Whoa! Just installed Windows XP 64 and right away I noticed that I cannot
> display streaming videos such as from Youtube. I couldn't get Flash to work
> either. Anybody?
vidmark - 12 Feb 2008 17:09 GMT
Geez, dude, other than "No Windows x64 is not crippled!" you didn't provide
any useful suggestions HOW to uncriple this sh.t. Mind trying again without
wasting your time?

> No Windows x64 is not crippled!
>
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>> display streaming videos such as from Youtube. I couldn't get Flash to
>> work either. Anybody?
Colin Barnhorst - 12 Feb 2008 17:12 GMT
Yes, Flash installs OK.  For video, including Youtube, install codecs such
as with FDShow.  I just got through watching some Youtube videos on x64.

> No Windows x64 is not crippled!
>
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>> display streaming videos such as from Youtube. I couldn't get Flash to
>> work either. Anybody?
Colin Barnhorst - 12 Feb 2008 17:14 GMT
Sorry, the ffdshow link is
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=173941&package_id=199416&r
elease_id=569930


> No Windows x64 is not crippled!
>
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>> display streaming videos such as from Youtube. I couldn't get Flash to
>> work either. Anybody?
vidmark - 12 Feb 2008 17:47 GMT
Thanks for the link.

Theo, are you paying attention? This is how you help people.

> Sorry, the ffdshow link is
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=173941&package_id=199416&r
elease_id=569930

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>>> cannot display streaming videos such as from Youtube. I couldn't get
>>> Flash to work either. Anybody?
vidmark - 12 Feb 2008 17:55 GMT
It doesn't work. I tried both IE's the 32 and 64 bit and neither shows
videos. All I get is a black screen in IE32 and nothing in IE64. Maybe THEO
can show me how to get it to run. Shoukd I hold my breath, Theo?

>> Sorry, the ffdshow link is
>> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=173941&package_id=199416&r
elease_id=569930

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>>>> cannot display streaming videos such as from Youtube. I couldn't get
>>>> Flash to work either. Anybody?
Theo - 12 Feb 2008 19:50 GMT
Perhaps it would be beneficial to know more about your
system.  I am running Win x64 on an Asus A8V, I have Flash
installed, and I can watch streaming video from Yahoo, CNN,
Youtube, and who knows where else.

So, yes, you should hold your breath since I have no idea
what your particular setup is.

> It doesn't work. I tried both IE's the 32 and 64 bit and neither shows
> videos. All I get is a black screen in IE32 and nothing in IE64. Maybe THEO
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>>>>> cannot display streaming videos such as from Youtube. I couldn't get
>>>>> Flash to work either. Anybody?
Tony Harding - 12 Feb 2008 19:31 GMT
> Thanks for the link.
>
> Theo, are you paying attention? This is how you help people.

You seem awfully snarky for someone asking for help in a public forum. I
believe most posters here are employed, so their time is valuable. Maybe
you could lighten up a bit?
Mike - 12 Feb 2008 19:46 GMT
>> Thanks for the link.
>>
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> believe most posters here are employed, so their time is valuable. Maybe
> you could lighten up a bit?

I can't see anyone asking you for any advice. Why did you post? You probably
have have no one else other than  the computer to talk to, now that is
pitiful :(
Tony Harding - 14 Feb 2008 16:03 GMT
>>> Thanks for the link.
>>>
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> have have no one else other than  the computer to talk to, now that is
> pitiful :(

Somebody asked you for advice regarding my post? No, so who's the
greater fool?
Theo - 12 Feb 2008 17:16 GMT
You asked a question and I answered it!!
Skybuck Flying - 12 Feb 2008 23:34 GMT
Use the 32 bit version of internet explorer.

Then flash 32 bit will install fine and you can view the video's.

Bye,
 Skybuck.
Bull - 14 Feb 2008 05:29 GMT
Even Microsoft doesn't support it. I want out. I'd thought that at some point
3rd party support would be forthcoming, but Norton doesn't provide a 64 bit
version of Norton 360 on XP 64.

I tried running Vista upgrade adviser and guess what? Not supported on XP
64. So not even Microsoft supports their 64 bit customers. My mistake for
thinking that I should be able to run a 64 bit OS on a 64 bit PC and still be
able to run 32 bit apps.
ralish - 14 Feb 2008 06:30 GMT
Firstly, before you migrate to a new operating system running on a new
processor architecture, you should do your basic research.

Of course Norton for 32-bit systems isn't going to work on a 64-bit system.
It has components that plug into low-level system components (including the
kernel, through drivers). You can't plug 32-bit code into a 64-bit kernel.
Maybe, you should check with the suppliers of your software that it IS
64-bit compatible and IS supported on your new operating system? This should
help to avoid unpleasant surprises.

There are plenty of virus scanners out there that do work on 64-bit Windows,
and some are free. Personally, I'd argue all are better than Norton. I use
McAfee VirusScan Enterprise 8.5i on my work machine, and it works fine,
however, it is not free.

Your problem seems to be with vendors of computer software being slow to
support 64-bit Windows operating systems. Same goes for OEM's and hardware
support. I agree with you.

Rather than unnecessarily rude, maybe you could provide useful information,
and ask for useful advice in return, and just maybe, we all might be able to
do, and learn, something constructive.

Bull: AVG develops a free virus-scanner that is compatible with XP x64.
Available at: http://free.grisoft.com/

vidmark: I was able to install Flash straight from www.adobe.com on both IE
7 (32-bit) and FF 2 (2.0.0.12). Ensure you are not running IE 64-bit, as
Adobe has yet to publish a 64-bit compatible Flash for IE. If this bothers
you, write to Adobe and let them know you for one are eagerly anticipating
64-bit support; the more who do this, the more likely they are to invest the
time and money to get it done.

> Even Microsoft doesn't support it. I want out. I'd thought that at some
> point
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> be
> able to run 32 bit apps.
Bull - 14 Feb 2008 07:43 GMT
Sorry I'm not as informed as you. I'm a reasonably well informed computer
user but while things like this might be obvious to you, they aren't to me. I
happened to have been involved in the design of 64 bit Intel processors, so I
know that by and large there isn't any hardware reason that 32 bit programs
can't run on 64 bit cores. This has more to do with the software architecture
which is outside my expertise. So, I really don't know which applications may
or may not run on 64 bit windows. I would have thought that windows 64 could
have been designed to detect 32 bit applications and run them in 32 bit
compatibility mode. I know that the hardware supports this even if the
software doesn't take advantage of it.

I understand that device drivers are different and I didn't have a problem
until I wanted to do wireless on this PC and discovered that Linksys still
doesn't support XP64.

Anyway, I'm simply stating that I made a mistake in buying Windows64. I
admit that. I didn't do my homework. I foolishly anticipated that the
industry would move in this direction. I also originally planned to run Linux
and only recently reinstalled Windows.

I could live without certain applications like Norton. But device driver
support is still very spotty, which is a surprise after this much time.

Finally, why the snarky comments about Norton? I've been a satisfied
customer and it regularly tops reviews and catches things that the free
products miss. I guess I could be equally snarky and make comments about the
OS that makes such products necessary, but I won't.

> Firstly, before you migrate to a new operating system running on a new
> processor architecture, you should do your basic research.
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> > be
> > able to run 32 bit apps.
ralish - 14 Feb 2008 08:29 GMT
Windows x64 (both XP (which is really a themed Windows Server 2003, it's
from the same codebase) and Vista) have backwards compatibility with 32-bit
applications. However, there are some caveats. The two that are very
important to know are that:

a) You can NOT plug 32-bit drivers into the 64-bit kernel (the core of the
Windows OS). I'm not a programmer, so I can't give you specific indepth
reasons; I suspect there are some legitimate technical reasons and maybe
some stability reasons (or both). This limitation is partly why driver
support is so lacking (new drivers must be developed for x64 versions of
Windows). Thus, the problem so many of us have when migrating, finding the
damn drivers for our hardware, assuming they exist at all.
b) You can NOT "mix-and-match" between 32-bit and 64-bit binaries. For
example, you can't plug a 64-bit DLL into a 32-bit application. This is why,
for instance, Windows x64 has a 32-bit version of Internet Explorer and a
separate 64-bit version. You can't plug a 32-bit Flash plugin into a 64-bit
version of Internet Explorer. Hence, you're stuck using IE 32-bit for most
tasks, until plug-in developers bother to port their code to 64-bit. (This
very much applies to you vidmark)

As far as hardware support goes, I highly recommend, for a desktop machine,
building the system yourself piece by piece, if you have the expertise.
Vendor support for x64 is woeful in my experience, with many, many
manufacturers selling 64-bit "capable" machines, but without the 64-bit
driver support that is required. By building your machine piece by piece,
you can ensure that 64-bit drivers are available for each and every piece of
hardware to be installed in your system. It takes time, but you'll end up
with a machine that is fully 64-bit compatible, with associated drivers,
which you can continually update as the respective OEM of each hardware
component provides updated drivers.

As for Norton, it used to be great, it went downhill from when it was bought
up by Symantec. I'm not saying it can't detect virus's, it does that very
well. My complaint is the performance hit, whenever I've used Norton
products in recent years, the performance hit has been huge, and the
software is very intrusive. I like to keep my computers very streamlined,
and Norton doesn't really satisfy that criteria ;)

Bottom Line: OEM's need to get their act together and start taking x64
support seriously. My view is that this isn't really a fault of Microsoft's.
They've developed the 64-bit OS, it's now up to developers to choose when
(if?) they are going to seriously support it.

> Sorry I'm not as informed as you. I'm a reasonably well informed computer
> user but while things like this might be obvious to you, they aren't to
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>> > be
>> > able to run 32 bit apps.
Charlie Russel - MVP - 14 Feb 2008 06:57 GMT
The fact that Norton won't run on it is _good_ news. Nothing in a bright
yellow box is allowed near any of my machines.

The reason the "upgrade" advisor won't run on 64bit is that there is NO
upgrade from any prior version to Vista 64. Even if you're funning XP x64,
it's still a clean install. (There are many reasons for this, but the single
most telling one is the need for signed drivers in Vista 64.)

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> Even Microsoft doesn't support it. I want out. I'd thought that at some
> point
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> be
> able to run 32 bit apps.
Bull - 14 Feb 2008 07:45 GMT
I guess I'm happier with Norton than I am with Windows :)

Thanks for explaining the advisor problem. I guess it would be nice if it
would have said that instead of just refusing to run.

> The fact that Norton won't run on it is _good_ news. Nothing in a bright
> yellow box is allowed near any of my machines.
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> > be
> > able to run 32 bit apps.
Tom Lake - 14 Feb 2008 13:53 GMT
> Even Microsoft doesn't support it. I want out. I'd thought that at some point
> 3rd party support would be forthcoming, but Norton doesn't provide a 64 bit
> version of Norton 360 on XP 64.

Vista 64 has much more support than XP 64.  The only problem I've had
has been with Hauppauge WinTV drivers on my system with 8 GB RAM.
Hauppauge is working on a fix.  After the fix I won't have any problems
with Vista 64.

Tom Lake
 
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