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Jim Eshelman - 03 Jan 2004 10:48 GMT
In the spirit of exchanging information, tips, and techniques regarding
Microsoft products:

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Igor Leiko - 04 Jan 2004 20:44 GMT
Jim,
what about some  inaccuracies in http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm?

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ipigl@redline.ru

> In the spirit of exchanging information, tips, and techniques regarding
> Microsoft products:
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> Jim Eshelman MS-MVP, Windows
> Windows Support Center: http://aumha.org
Noel Paton - 04 Jan 2004 20:51 GMT
Have you pointed them out to Jim via the feedback links on the site??

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> Jim,
> what about some  inaccuracies in http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm?
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> > Jim Eshelman MS-MVP, Windows
> > Windows Support Center: http://aumha.org
Igor Leiko - 04 Jan 2004 21:41 GMT
Yes, of course.

????? ????? (Igor Leiko)
ipigl@redline.ru

> Have you pointed them out to Jim via the feedback links on the site??
>
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> > > Jim Eshelman MS-MVP, Windows
> > > Windows Support Center: http://aumha.org
Jim Eshelman - 05 Jan 2004 08:10 GMT
> Yes, of course.

Igor sent me an article that I never completely finished (it was a
translation a little tough sledding, but mostly understandable). He has some
different views that I don't believe are substantiated by the article.

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Jim Eshelman - 05 Jan 2004 08:15 GMT
> Igor sent me an article that I never completely finished (it was a
> translation a little tough sledding, but mostly understandable). He
> has some different views that I don't believe are substantiated by
> the article.

I should add that he also pointed out a couple of places where I could
phrase things better. I have those annotated in the copy of the article at
the office where I hoped I'd eventually finish reading it, and hadn't
finished that yet. I think there might have been at least some language
issue -- some of these were issues where, at worst, I could phrase things a
little better and then he and I would be in exact agreement. In other
places, though, he holds technical positions quite opposed to everything in
my knowledge and experience, so we would continue to disagree.

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Igor Leiko - 05 Jan 2004 09:39 GMT
Jim, not only article.
I agree that machine translation could be hard to understand.
But I sent another letter with several notes. Did you received it?
For example:
---
"Win95 had a bug that kept VCache from releasing RAM when it was needed.
VCache would just keep growing sometimes, and the amount of available RAM
would diminish accordingly, forcing more swap file activity (using the hard
drive as a substitute for RAM). This is the famous "memory leak" of Win95. "

The bug in Vcache or memory leak? There are a big difference.

And where do you get information about such bug in Win95? I actively used
Win95 in 1995-97 and never saw such vcache behavior. Do you know any way to
reproduce this bug?

---

May be we can discuss my conmments here or by mail with some others MVP?

????? ????? (Igor Leiko)
ipigl@redline.ru

> > Yes, of course.
>
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> Jim Eshelman
Jim Eshelman - 06 Jan 2004 04:58 GMT
> Jim, not only article.
> I agree that machine translation could be hard to understand.
> But I sent another letter with several notes. Did you received it?
> For example:

Yes. It had been a while -- I was working nights and had it printed out to
go through as time allowed, bit by bit.

> "Win95 had a bug that kept VCache from releasing RAM when it was
> needed. VCache would just keep growing sometimes, and the amount of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> The bug in Vcache or memory leak? There are a big difference.

No difference at all. That's the only serious "memory leak" that Windows
ever had. The specific leak was that VCache would suck up RAM and not
release it. What other serious memory leak has there ever been?

> And where do you get information about such bug in Win95? I actively
> used Win95 in 1995-97 and never saw such vcache behavior. Do you know
> any way to reproduce this bug?

I no longer have the info. It was well documented and very well known in
1995-97 era and, by now, I've long ago let go of any of the posts, links,
etc. on it. I probably could reproduce the system if I again were to install
Win95 on hardware typical of the day, say with 12-24 MB  of RAM etc. on a
486. I have no idea how it behaves under later hardware or much greater
amounts of RAM.

This, btw, was the *specific* reason that limiting VCache maximum was
usually considered essential in Win95's day. In an ear when almost nobody
had 32 MB of RAM (and most had 16-24 at most), VCache could quite quickly
such up 20-21 MB and never let it go. It was common in those days to
recommend limiting it to, say, 8 MB max because of this. That would still
leave you another 8 MB (minimum necessary to run Win95) on a 16 MB system.
If I were to try to track that down, I would look for articles etc. on that
exact topic and probably dig up some stuff still around.

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Jim Eshelman - 05 Jan 2004 08:09 GMT
> Jim,
> what about some  inaccuracies in http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm?

To my knowledge. there are no inaccuracies in that article.

I could, of course, always be wrong... but in years of these items being
discussed, I don't think so.

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Computer Health: http://aumha.org/a/health.htm
Troubleshooting: http://aumha.org/a/tshoot.htm

 
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