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Windows Forum / Windows 98 / Disks / File System / August 2004Need a 98 emer disc
Due to some unexpected complications I had to write zeros to my hard drive using a tool supplied by western digital (low level format??) but my startup disk was damaged and I was unaware of this until I tried, unsuccessfully, to use it to reinstall 98 on my older machine. I now have all the files (I hope...I have 21 files totaling 966kb) on the floppy except for the msdos.sys and IO.sys files because I copied what I could from the 98 UPGRADE to 95 CD, because the fat32ebd.exe in the tools folder would not work properly on my XP based system. Yet it still is not a "bootable" disc. Can I fix this somehow on my XP machine? Thanks folks... > Due to some unexpected complications I had to write zeros > to my hard drive using a tool supplied by western digital [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Thanks folks... easy to just go to www.bootdisk.com and download one Oh my!! I won't tell you how many fruitless hours I spent searching the net for that!! Thank you so much!!! I should have tried here first :) JJ >-----Original Message----- > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >. > Oh my!! I won't tell you how many fruitless hours I > spent searching the net for that!! Thank you so much!!! > I should have tried here first :) just download the file and with a blank floppy in the drive...double click and you'll soon be making a boot floppy most of the discs assign the letter R: to your cd rom >-----Original Message----- > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >most of the discs assign the letter R: to your cd rom ok now I'm a bit stumped again here...i used (in this order)... Western Digitals hard drive tools pkg which lets you quick/full test and write zeros to every sector of the hard drive, (which, I've been told, restores the drive to a "factory new" condition). It reported no errors in read or writing modes. I then rebooted with the new 98 floppy I made with that great lil program you gave me the link to. I ran fdisk and set the 20GB hard drive as a single large drive, added the partition for the full drive etc., and then again rebooted and ran the format command and again all went well. I then installed windows ME and that went well also. Then I installed the factory issued drivers for my d-link router. When I rebooted it froze again and again, tried safe mode and it froze again, and finally it gave me a message that there was an error in writing to the C: drive, saying that it could not do so. This has never happened before in the 14 months I've used this harddrive, and I have reinstalled a totally clean setup (as described above) 3- 4 times with no problem. Can you tell me what went wrong or how to correct this problem? Thanks again. If you have WD's Data Lifeguard Tools disk, it has a diagnostic tool that will tell you the health of your drive.  SignatureRegards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo > >-----Original Message----- > > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Thanks again. Yes Ron, have exactly that, and it reports the drive is fine has no problem, did all the read write test too. I'll go run it again right now but I (hopefully) think I'll get same results, which is why the error message when booting into windows doesn't add up. >-----Original Message----- >If you have WD's Data Lifeguard Tools disk, it has a diagnostic tool that [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >. > Yes Ron, have exactly that, and it reports the drive is > fine has no problem, did all the read write test too. > I'll go run it again right now but I (hopefully) think > I'll get same results, which is why the error message > when booting into windows doesn't add up. for what it's worth... i recently went through a box of harddrives that a friend gave me a few of them needed low-level formatting but passed all the manufacturer's diagnostics afterwards *however* they still caused read/write errors in the machine! (i discarded them) well...looks like its time for a new HD :) >-----Original Message----- > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >. Yep, sure, right, uh-huh. Hook, line and sinker you took the bait. > well...looks like its time for a new HD :) > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > >. Out of pure curiosity and nothing else, doesn't a harddrive have symptomatic events that sort of warns you that there might be trouble?? I mean woiuldn't scandisk on a full scan pick up bad sectors etc?? >-----Original Message----- > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >. Only if there were bad sectors. There is more than one reason why a drive might fail. When you ran the diagnostic, it seems to me there is a quick and a long version--did you run the long one? SignatureRegards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo > Out of pure curiosity and nothing else, doesn't a > harddrive have symptomatic events that sort of warns you [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > >. There is no short version. > Only if there were bad sectors. There is more than one reason why a drive > might fail. When you ran the diagnostic, it seems to me there is a quick [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > > >. > There is no short version. Maybe my recall is better than yours--there are quick and extended diagnostic tests on my version 10.0, Data Lifeguard Tools. SignatureRegards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo It's possible that some other error is being reported as a disk error. For instance, a RAM error can cause a disk drive to appear faulty because data is being corrupted after it is read into RAM. It would be unusual for this to happen consistently, and without other symptoms of RAM errors, but it's possible. There are RAM diagnostics available, such as DocMem which might be worth a try before replacing that disk. SignatureJeff Richards MS MVP (DTS) > Out of pure curiosity and nothing else, doesn't a > harddrive have symptomatic events that sort of warns you [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >>. While true are your statements, its not comprehensible that the PC wrote zeroes to the hard drive, performed a full diagnostic without problems at the real mode msdos level. An I/O error would show up. > It's possible that some other error is being reported as a disk error. For > instance, a RAM error can cause a disk drive to appear faulty because data [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >> > >>. Not necessarily. These operations might have all been done from DOS. In that case, only a relatively small segment of memory is being used - the rest is ignored. I have seen plenty of systems that ran any DOS application just fine, but failed under Windows. If there is no I/O fault then any activity that doesn't reference the faulty memory will work properly. However, from the description I don't consider a memory fault particularly likely - a random I/O error is more likely. SignatureJeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) > While true are your statements, its not comprehensible that the PC wrote > zeroes to the hard drive, performed a full diagnostic without problems at > the real mode msdos level. An I/O error would show up. The WD program you've run is a MEDIUM level format, low-level formats have been done at the PC level for over a decade. What you're talking about is SMART. Bios must be smart aware, and OS or some application. Scandisk is 3rd grade arithmetic compared to a trigonometry class. There are move rigid programs around. WD Lifeguard is one of them. > Out of pure curiosity and nothing else, doesn't a > harddrive have symptomatic events that sort of warns you [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > >. I think you meant to say "low-level formats have _not_ been done at the PC level for over a decade." SignatureJeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) > The WD program you've run is a MEDIUM level format, low-level formats have > been done at the PC level for over a decade. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > is > one of them. Don't sweat it, some people can't read too well. > Yes Ron, have exactly that, and it reports the drive is > fine has no problem, did all the read write test too. [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > > >. > Don't sweat it, some people can't read too well. I can read just fine most of the time. He tested the drive, it was OK. He did other things to the drive and then it isn't OK. I suggested a test to determine the health of the drive again. One thing I don't do is make snide, useless comments that clog up a thread and add nothing. You wake up a little bit cranky yesterday? SignatureRegards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo I knew some people who resided in a monastery. > Oh my!! I won't tell you how many fruitless hours I > spent searching the net for that!! Thank you so much!!! [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > >. Io.sys, command.com, and msdos.sys are boot files. These have special location, if booting from a floppy diskette. > Due to some unexpected complications I had to write zeros > to my hard drive using a tool supplied by western digital [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Thanks folks... |
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