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Greg R - 13 Mar 2005 02:49 GMT

How do I network 98se and xp together Using netbeui?

I will be getting a computer this week with 98/98se. I will possible
do a clean install.

I would like to know how to network two computer using the NetBEUI
protocol. I am wanting to hook up windows 98/98se to an windows xp
machine. The 98se will be my main use and I will want to share the
printer on the computer. I will be hooking the printer to the 98se
computer. The XP computer will not be on all the time. Can I share
the internet connection as well. I am on dial-up.

A lot of places recommend using the netbios. I thought netbios was
not secure. Even grc says not to use it.

I usally does this tweak in 98
Remove thease from the registry
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\VNETBIOS
and:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\VNETSUP

Then delete both vnetbios.vxd + vnetsup.vxd
That disables the netbios connection in windows 98

Thank you for any help.

Greg R

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Steve Winograd [MVP] - 15 Mar 2005 12:09 GMT

>How do I network 98se and xp together Using netbeui?
>
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>
>Greg R

This site has instructions:

HOW TO: Install NetBEUI on Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;301041

However:

1. I think that the grc web site grossly exaggerates the dangers of
NetBIOS over TCP/IP.

2. There's no need to edit the registry or delete files on 98SE. To
protect your shared disks and folders from Internet hackers, un-bind
"Client for Microsoft Networks" and "File and printer sharing for
Microsoft Networks" from TCP/IP->Dial-Up Adapter.

3. Once you do the un-binding in #2, there's no longer any reason to
use NetBEUI.

Windows 98SE can share its dial-up Internet connection with Windows
XP. Configure 98SE as an ICS host and XP as an ICS client:

ICS Installation [Win98SE]
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/ics/icsinstall.htm

XP ICS - Client Setup Using the Network Setup Wizard
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics/clientwiz.htm

Don't run XP's Network Setup Wizard on 98SE, even if it tells you to.

It would be much better to use XP as the ICS host and 98SE as the
client. XP's version of ICS is easier to set up and more reliable
than 98SE's.

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Blair - 15 Mar 2005 18:09 GMT

> >How do I network 98se and xp together Using netbeui?
> >
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> client. XP's version of ICS is easier to set up and more reliable
> than 98SE's.

Steve,I hope you don't mind me coming in on this subject.
I run XP as the host and 98SE as the client.
My network is working Ok and I can transfer files etc
At one stage I could access the Internet through Internet Explorer and also
use Outlook Express from 98.
But that access has vanished and in trying to restate the capability I find
I have undone my network so have backtracked to at least having a working
network.
I looked at the sites you mentioned and found the 98 as host and XP as
client instructions very easy to follow
But when I tried to follow the XP as host and 98 as client I found it very
difficult and the result was no ICS.
Is it true to say that ICS should not be installed on the client 98?
I have produced ipconfig/all print outs for both PCs
Would it help if you saw them?
Blair

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Steve Winograd [MVP] - 15 Mar 2005 20:19 GMT

>>[snip]
>> Windows 98SE can share its dial-up Internet connection with Windows
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>
>Steve,I hope you don't mind me coming in on this subject.

Hi, Blair. It would be better to post a brand new message with a
descriptive subject, like "Problem with XP ICS Host and 98SE Client".
The subject of this message, which is "Re: How do I network 98se and
xp together using netbeui?", doesn't apply to your question.

>I run XP as the host and 98SE as the client.
>My network is working Ok and I can transfer files etc
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>But when I tried to follow the XP as host and 98 as client I found it very
>difficult and the result was no ICS.

I've written a web site that should be easy to follow, with
instructions for making XP the host and 98 the client:

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics

Since you're making 98 the client, you should run XP's Network Setup
Wizard on 98 when it tells you.

>Is it true to say that ICS should not be installed on the client 98?

True. ICS is installed only on the host. If you've installed ICS on
98, un-install it.

>I have produced ipconfig/all print outs for both PCs
>Would it help if you saw them?

Please try setting everything up again. If there are still problems,
copy and paste the ipconfig/all data into a news group reply.

>Blair

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Blair - 16 Mar 2005 07:24 GMT

> >>[snip]
> >> Windows 98SE can share its dial-up Internet connection with Windows
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> >Blair

Thanks for you help.
I carried out all the instructions. On 98 I noticed that the time that the
wizard was configuring the PC network settings was very short with the P.C.
icon stopping briefly between moving .
I did wait some time but there was no further activity. There was no
connection to the internet from the 98
The only other thing was the list of requirements stated that the 98 should
be on line. My 98 depends on the connection to the XP to be on line. I don't
know if this matters
I have attached the two files
Hope this helps
Blair

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Steve Winograd [MVP] - 16 Mar 2005 08:41 GMT

>>>[snip]
>>>I run XP as the host and 98SE as the client.
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>Hope this helps
>Blair

I see two unusual things in the ipconfig output:

LAPTOP appears to be configured as an ICS host, sharing its dial-up
connection. However, there's no default gateway address on the PPP
adapter. I would expect it to show the PPP adapter's IP address as
the default gateway. Is Internet access working OK on that computer?
Are there any proxy server settings in Internet Explorer's Tools |
Internet Options | Connections | LAN Settings?

DESKTOP appears to be configured as an ICS client. However, it shows
that IP routing is enabled, which is normally only true on an ICS
host.

Try configuring the network settings manually on DESKTOP:

IP Address: 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DNS Server = your ISP's DNS servers

From the ipconfig output for LAPTOP, those servers are 195.92.195.95
and 195.92.195.94.

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Blair - 16 Mar 2005 18:49 GMT

> >>>[snip]
> >>>I run XP as the host and 98SE as the client.
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> From the ipconfig output for LAPTOP, those servers are 195.92.195.95
> and 195.92.195.94.

My laptop connects to the Internet
There are no proxy settings on LAN settings
I configured as you suggested and lost my network.
I have left it until I get further instructions
Blair

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Steve Winograd [MVP] - 17 Mar 2005 03:12 GMT

>> >>>[snip]
>> >>>I run XP as the host and 98SE as the client.
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>I have left it until I get further instructions
>Blair

Configuring the network settings manually on DESKTOP (the ICS client)
shouldn't cause it to lose the network. The IP address, subnet mask,
and default gateway that I specified are the same ones that it
previously had. All that's different is using your ISP's DNS servers.

Be sure to click Add after entering the default gateway and DNS server
addresses. Then, run ipconfig to verify that the settings are right.

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Blair - 17 Mar 2005 07:18 GMT

> >> >>>[snip]
> >> >>>I run XP as the host and 98SE as the client.
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> Be sure to click Add after entering the default gateway and DNS server
> addresses. Then, run ipconfig to verify that the settings are right.

The IP address previously was selected automatically
I ran ipconfig on the 98 but as The network is not present I had to amend
the previous copy on my XP
Amended copy attached.
Makes really odd readings to me
Blair

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Steve Winograd [MVP] - 17 Mar 2005 10:52 GMT

>> >> LAPTOP appears to be configured as an ICS host, sharing its dial-up
>> >> connection. However, there's no default gateway address on the PPP
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>
>The IP address previously was selected automatically

That's right. It was automatically assigned 192.168.0.2.

>I ran ipconfig on the 98 but as The network is not present I had to amend
>the previous copy on my X

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this. What does "network is not
present" mean? What did you amend, and how did you amend it?

>Amended copy attached.

Please copy and paste the ipconfig output directly into your news
group message. Don't include it as an attachment.

>Makes really odd readings to me
>Blair

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Blair - 17 Mar 2005 18:26 GMT

> >> >> LAPTOP appears to be configured as an ICS host, sharing its dial-up
> >> >> connection. However, there's no default gateway address on the PPP
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> >Makes really odd readings to me
> >Blair

I explained it badly.
When I produce ipconfig on my 98 desktop I cannot copy it to my XP laptop in
order to send it to you as there is now no network
The only way was for me to read the figures and amend an earlier copy of
ipconfig which I had sent you. from the XPLaptop
I should further explain that I cannot connect to the Internet from my 98
desktop.
I didn't solve that problem as I now intended to use the network connection
to access the Internet from the 98 Desktop so did not require a connection
directly from it.
I could undo the last changes I made and revert to a network again and the
send you a copy incorporated in the message.
If you would agree to this please let me know.
Hope this makes sense to you
Blair

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Blair - 17 Mar 2005 19:07 GMT

Just went back to auto Ip address and the network appeared so I can include
the ipconfig

Windows 98 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . : LAPTOP.mshome.net

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 195.92.195.95

195.92.195.94

Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Mixed

NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No

NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : Yes

0 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.

Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00

DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . :

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

Primary WINS Server . . . . :

Secondary WINS Server . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :

Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

1 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : F5D5000, PCI Card/Desktop Network PCI Card

Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-30-BD-70-01-5D

DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

Primary WINS Server . . . . :

Secondary WINS Server . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 03 17 05 17:50:14

Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 03 24 05 17:50:14

Blair

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Blair - 21 Mar 2005 07:18 GMT

I have at last found my problem.
As soon as I uninstalled Zone Alarm my Internet connections worked from the
98PC
Thanks for your help
Sorry I was such a nuisance
Blair

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Steve Winograd [MVP] - 21 Mar 2005 20:17 GMT

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>I have at last found my problem.
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>Sorry I was such a nuisance
>Blair

Nice going, Blair. Thanks for reporting the solution. It's a good
idea to disable all firewall programs (and disconnect from the
Internet) while troubleshooting a network, and I should have suggested
that earlier.

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