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Donald - 24 May 2005 16:21 GMT

When trying to set acsess rights to a folder on my computer I got the message
that it could not show the user list at that time. even after restarting.
What do I do?

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James Egan - 24 May 2005 18:14 GMT

>When trying to set acsess rights to a folder on my computer I got the message
>that it could not show the user list at that time. even after restarting.
>What do I do?

There is no user level sharing with win98 on its own. You need to be
on a network with a windows NT, 2k, 2k3 or a machine running a samba
server which can provide the user list.

Jim.

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Donald - 24 May 2005 20:58 GMT

i am on a network. the network is between 2 computers. the other one is
running Win XP. is this the problem

> >When trying to set acsess rights to a folder on my computer I got the message
> >that it could not show the user list at that time. even after restarting.
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> Jim.

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Richard G. Harper - 25 May 2005 00:44 GMT

No, the user list is only available when there is a domain controller and a
domain network available. With only an XP computer and a Win98 computer you
cannot have a domain.

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>i am on a network. the network is between 2 computers. the other one is
> running Win XP. is this the problem
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James Egan - 25 May 2005 09:20 GMT

>No, the user list is only available when there is a domain controller and a
>domain network available. With only an XP computer and a Win98 computer you
>cannot have a domain.

Is it correct that you must be on a domain?

I thought windows NT workstation (for example) could be a security
provider for win9x user level access without being on a domain.

Jim.

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Richard G. Harper - 25 May 2005 12:17 GMT

I don't think so, but it's possible that you're correct.

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>>No, the user list is only available when there is a domain controller and
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Ron Lowe - 26 May 2005 11:55 GMT

This discussion sent me scuttling of to the bookshelf.

It appears to be the case, based on the resource kit.
I've never tried this, so I can't comment on whether it actually works.

From the Win98 res kit:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/98/all/reskit/en-us/wrk
int.mspx

About 20% of the way down the page, section titled 'Sharing Resources'
"Note For Microsoft networks, the security provider must be a Windows NT
domain ***or workstation***. "

If it does work against an NT workstation, then it will probably work
against an XP box too.
However, there may be issues surrounding the security settings on XP and
what type of password hash is being used, LM / NTLM / NTLMv2 which will need
resolving. Like I say, I've not tried this, it's just what I've read!

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>I don't think so, but it's possible that you're correct.
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Richard G. Harper - 27 May 2005 00:12 GMT

Hmmm ... that's very interesting. But, IIRC, Windows NT allowed a domain
controller to store a backup user/computer access list to a workstation.
Back when servers were beaucoup expensive and most folks couldn't afford
more than one. So that might be the reference being made.

I'd like to find someone who knows for sure ...

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> This discussion sent me scuttling of to the bookshelf.
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Richard G. Harper - 29 May 2005 00:10 GMT

FWIW, I just tried getting a Windows 98 SE client to pick up a user list
from both Windows 2000 and Windows XP Pro computers, with no success. None
of the three were domain members.

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> This discussion sent me scuttling of to the bookshelf.
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Ron Lowe - 29 May 2005 10:53 GMT

> FWIW, I just tried getting a Windows 98 SE client to pick up a user list
> from both Windows 2000 and Windows XP Pro computers, with no success.
> None of the three were domain members.

Ok, interesting to know.
I don't have a win9x box here to play with!

I suppose I could have used VPC.

I might put up a VPC win98 box, and see if it can pick up the
userlist from a XP pro box which is a domain member.

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Richard G. Harper - 29 May 2005 11:55 GMT

That's how I played with Windows 98 ... :-) Every once in a while it comes
in handy, being able to boot one up and re-check menus or settings. On my
other PC I have a complete domain with 2K and 2K3 servers in a domain when I
want to play with that scenario.

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> Ok, interesting to know.
> I don't have a win9x box here to play with!
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> userlist from a XP pro box which is a domain member.

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Ron Lowe - 29 May 2005 13:55 GMT

OK, just did it.

My win98 machine can pull a user list from either the domain or an XP
workstation.
The workstation in question was a domain member.

To pull user accounts from the domain, I entered the domain netbios name
'HOMENET' in the UI.
I was then able to select from all the accounts on the Domain Controller.

To test the workstation, I entered 'RONS-PC-2' which is this host XP box,
and is a Domain Member.
The user accounts list which was displayed was the local accounts on the XP
workstation.

In otherwords, it all worked as advertised.

The only wrinkle I found was this...

You need to be logged onto the win98 machine with a username / password
which is acceptable to the machine you are connecting to.

Test this by attempting to browse the target machine, before using it as a
security provider. If you can't browse it, and get theIPC$ prompt, then
you will fail when trying to use it as a security provider. It will say it
can't find it or something like that.

Log off the win98 box, and log back on using a username / password which is
acceptable to the workstation.
Get to the point where the workstation is browsable, then try to make it a
security provider again.

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Ron Lowe - 29 May 2005 14:08 GMT

BTW, on my test, the 98 machine was not set to 'log on to the domain'.
I was just using local usernames and passwords on the 98 box.

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Richard G. Harper - 30 May 2005 01:19 GMT

So the key seems to be that there has to be a domain available to pull the
list from - I just tried again in a workgroup (and did log onto the 98 box
with an ID/password that exists on both the 2K and XP Pro workstations) and
it still doesn't work. It seems to right up until the moment you try to
pull the user list and then you get the error, "The list of users is
currently not available. Try again later."

So, all the OP needs to do is get a new computer and a copy of Windows
Server 2000 or 2003, set up a domain ... :-)

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> BTW, on my test, the 98 machine was not set to 'log on to the domain'.
> I was just using local usernames and passwords on the 98 box.

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Ron Lowe - 26 May 2005 12:00 GMT

Lets try that link again...

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/98/all/reskit/en-us/par
t2/wrkc09.mspx

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