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Windows Forum / Windows 98 / Networking / July 2007Wireless networking
Am trying to set up a friend's older laptop with wireless networking. It came with 2000 installed but someone at Circuit City talked her into buying XP upgrade and also a Netgear kit with router and adapter card. The upgrade did not work properly because of older hardware; she did not need the kit because her ISP DSL already provided a Westell 327W router which does the wireless routing. I formatted the drive and installed W98SE (not having anything else to offer). Also installed Linksys sw to try to use a WirelessG adapter just to see if can get it all working. I'm getting a 'connected to access point' but 'not finding internet'. Will this solution work? Are there W98SE specific settings I need to tweak in the Networking function, Control Panel? Advice?? >I'm getting a 'connected to access point' but 'not finding internet'. Will >this solution work? Are there W98SE specific settings I need to tweak in the >Networking function, Control Panel? Win98 doesn't have the built in wireless support that xp has. You must install third party software from the manufacturer of whichever network card you are using. Start off by disabling encryption and mac filtering on the router until your connection is working properly and then encrypt the connection using the strongest available to the win98. Sadly, that is likely to be wep only but will depend on your card manufacturer. After the wireless is working, the network settings you make on the computer will be the same as if it is wired. Jim. I'm using the sw which came with Linksys G adapter... not anything which is part of W98SE. And I set it for WEP. Never was asked about encryption nor MAC filters, so I don't think those are in place. I have gone back through the profile for wireless on that laptop via the Linksys sw and can't see anything "odd", but I'm not a network guru, either. Anything else I can look at? I use this same adapter with my own laptop, but it runs XP Home........... so that's different. Thanks for your help > >I'm getting a 'connected to access point' but 'not finding internet'. Will > >this solution work? Are there W98SE specific settings I need to tweak in the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jim. If the laptop has a ethernet network card check the properties to make sure there isn't any IP information in there. I struggled with my sons win98 desktop getting it to connect to the internet ( also connecting via wireless and the adapter found the Access Point with no problem) anyway in frustration I checked the ethernet and found it had some IP info. and clicked on obtain IP automatically to clear the IP settings and voila I had internet. For some reason IE was trying to use the Ethernet card to connect. I don't know why anything was in the Network cards configuration but there was and that was my problem. Just a thought. > I'm using the sw which came with Linksys G adapter... not anything which > is [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >> Jim. >I'm using the sw which came with Linksys G adapter... not anything which is >part of W98SE. And I set it for WEP. Never was asked about encryption nor [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >look at? I use this same adapter with my own laptop, but it runs XP >Home........... so that's different. If you have connected the wireless bit okay (ie. same wep passphrase on the router and laptop, and the router is configured to allow connections from the mac address of the laptop) then you should be able to ping the ip address of the router from the laptop. Does that work? If so, the problem isn't with the wireless settings. What does the routing table of the laptop say? That might shed some light. ie from a command prompt type "route print > c:\temp.txt" and post the contents of temp.txt here. Like the other poster said, if there is another network card on this machine, that could cause problems and it needs to be disabled. Jim. Am away for the weekend and don't have this laptop with me. It's a newly formatted, older Compaq, and does not have any PCMCIA cards in it. However, I'll take a look at the table you suggested to see if there is something there somehow. This hookup with my Linksys adapter is the first attempt to get it onto wireless internet. > >I'm using the sw which came with Linksys G adapter... not anything which is > >part of W98SE. And I set it for WEP. Never was asked about encryption nor [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Jim. Westell router is 192.168.1.1 ... or at least that's the IP I use to get to the control functions of the router itself, e.g., the security configurators route print to temp.txt yielded: Active Routes: Network Addr Netmask Gateway Addr Interface Metric 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 169.254.0.0 255.255.0.0 169.254.62.193 same 1 169.254.62.193 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 same 1 169.254.254.255 255.255.255.255 169.254.62.193 same 1 244.0.0.0 244.0.0.0 169.254.62.193 same 1 255.022.255.255 255.255.255.255 169.254.62.193 0.0.0.0 1 So, what does this tell us??? there is no other network adapter. Control Panel, Device mgr shows: Dialup Adapter Dialup Adapter #2 MPN Support Linksys Wireless (that's what I'm trying to get to work.... or any wireless adapter) Microsoft VPN SMC ICC (infrared controller) If I look at the Linksys properties......shows all is working properly. I know Windows is sometimes flaky......... ?? > >I'm using the sw which came with Linksys G adapter... not anything which is > >part of W98SE. And I set it for WEP. Never was asked about encryption nor [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Jim. >So, what does this tell us??? It tells us that your ip address is 169.254.62.193 This is an automatic private ip address which your computer will give itself when it fails to connect with the router to get an ip address by dhcp. It basically means your computer is not on the same network as your router and it won't be until you get the wireless side of things working. You need to look at the router's wireless configuration and use the same settings on the laptop. Ensure also that the router is not configured to block connections based on MAC addresses. Once you think you have this set correctly, reboot the laptop and see if it is receiving an ip address from the router. you can do this by typing winipcfg or ipconfig to see if your address is 192.168.1.x If it's still 169.254.x.x then you have to go back a step and try different settings and reboot (again). Jim. Frustrating. I know it's hard to help someone when you can't have actual eyes and hands on the computer to see what's really going on. I checked everything. The Westell router is in basement of our 2story house. The computer I'm on right now connects through the same Linksys-G wireless adapter which I have brought home from our office to try to get wireless networking operational on my friend's older laptop. I have been through all of the settings. MAC filtering was never turned on. The laptop IS seeing our home network, I can select the network by name and then get prompted to enter the pass key, but then it is still getting "connected to Access point, but can't find the internet"...... yet I'm sitting 5' away and connect just fine. I have checked channels (6), WEP, enabled in the right places, disabled in matching places. any other ideas?? > >So, what does this tell us??? > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Jim. >Frustrating. I know it's hard to help someone when you can't have actual >eyes and hands on the computer to see what's really going on. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >any other ideas?? If you're sure the wireless is working correctly, the next stage is the laptop getting an ip address from the router and it isn't. Ensure that the router has dhcp enabled. If it has already and you still get this 169.254.x.x address when you reboot, then you might try the laptop with a static ip address. That would entail going into the tcp/ip properties and making some configuration changes. IP Address: 192.168.1.50 Subnet mask 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway: 192.168.1.1 DNS Configuration: Enable DNS Host = computer's name (eg LAPTOP) DNS Server = ip address of your ISP's nameservers Then as a first step, try and ping the router at 192.168.1.1 and see if you get a response. Post back the result. Jim. checked all of that and found nothing to be changed. set up the static IP address on the laptop and winipcfg showed it 'took'. did a ping back to the 192.168.1.1 router and that fails. Did an IPCONFIG on "this computer" which is also talking to the same router on a wireless Linksys-G setup (same as what I'm trying to get on that laptop; variable is this computer is newer and XP whereas the laptop is older and W98SE). Anyhow, the information matched up with exception that of course this computer has an IP 'assigned' as 192.168.1.47. Since I don't know what her network will end up being once she has Verizon help her get her router set up for wireless, plus securing it (they don't bother to help the user with an SSID and key password unless you ask)..... should I cease at this stage so as to not totally mess things up once I return the laptop to her? One other thing, WINIPCFG on the laptop showed TWO PPP entries. I did a Release All on each of them. I also wondered if there is more listed in the Networking than is needed. I know Windows has a tendency to load in additional 'devices' or adapters than actually required within "communications". > >Frustrating. I know it's hard to help someone when you can't have actual > >eyes and hands on the computer to see what's really going on. [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Jim. >Since I don't know what her network will end up being once she has Verizon >help her get her router set up for wireless, plus securing it (they don't >bother to help the user with an SSID and key password unless you ask)..... >should I cease at this stage so as to not totally mess things up once I >return the laptop to her? You can change it back to dhcp assigned ip addresses. It appears your tcp/ip stack is broken. You might be able to get away with running one of the winsock repair programs listed on this page http://cexx.org/lspfix.htm but might need to do the following 1. Un-install Dial-Up Networking. Don't reboot. 2. Delete registry key HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Winsock2 3. Re-install Dial-Up Networking. Reboot. >One other thing, WINIPCFG on the laptop showed TWO PPP entries. I did a >Release All on each of them. I also wondered if there is more listed in >the Networking than is needed. I know Windows has a tendency to load in >additional 'devices' or adapters than actually required within >"communications". That will probably be one for the wireless adapter and one for a dialup adaptor? If so it's unlikely to cause this problem. Jim. Here's your laugh for the night..... the Linksys Adapter is the problem. The hardware itself!!! Talk about look for the SIMPLE....the obvious.... like, is the thing plugged in???? I had it sitting beside another unit we have at our weekend place. Decided to unplug the one which DOES work and put it onto the USB cable into the laptop. Immediately got a good connection and working internet! So, it was not the laptop. SO, the next obvious step was to plug the one which we have been struggling with onto the USC where things were working just fine... Went from WORKING JUST FINE to not working at all. And VOILA!!! NO WORKIE!!! Proof positive. Put the working adapter back in place, and immediate connection. Tried the 'broken' one again, to confirm, and still no internet. Now to get in touch with Linksys to see if anything can be done... as well as get back to my eBay seller to let them know. phew. THANKS for all your help and patience! > >Since I don't know what her network will end up being once she has Verizon > >help her get her router set up for wireless, plus securing it (they don't [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Jim. |
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