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Having strange local network printing problem - could use some help/ideas

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normc - 21 May 2008 04:39 GMT
Using ActionTec DSL router with three machines, 2 hard-wired desktops
(both 98SE) and one wireless laptop (XP).

Network has always worked fine; however, at the moment the machine that
is local to the shared printer hangs up.  It won't print.  It won't
cancel the job.  As a result the other two computers are unable to
print, unless I reboot the one desktop, canceling the print job in the
process of rebooting.

Then I can print from either of the other desktop and the laptop.

It can't be the cable, since it is fine for 2 of 3.  It can't be the
driver since the same driver is used for all print jobs to that printer.
 Right?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Norm
MEB - 21 May 2008 08:10 GMT
1. You indicate ONE desktop 98SE computer is physically connected [local] to
the printer, is this correct?

2.  Does the print server [the 98SE box] have actual network print serving
software or are you just printing to a SHARED printer?

3.  What printer [model and make] and software [version, etc.] is being
used.

4. Was the printer software installed on each machine?

5. Does this occur, generally, after attempting to print FROM the XP machine
to the printer?

6. What are the settings for the printer on each of the machines?

7. Do you use MAPPED drives?

8. Have all machines been updated?

9. Have you re-checked your network and firewall settings?

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| Using ActionTec DSL router with three machines, 2 hard-wired desktops
| (both 98SE) and one wireless laptop (XP).
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|
| Norm
normc - 21 May 2008 10:58 GMT
> 1. You indicate ONE desktop 98SE computer is physically connected [local] to
> the printer, is this correct?

Yes.

> 2.  Does the print server [the 98SE box] have actual network print serving
> software or are you just printing to a SHARED printer?

Just printing to a shared printer.

> 3.  What printer [model and make] and software [version, etc.] is being
> used.

HP Deskjet 970Cxi with driver files hpzusb00.sys and
VMM32.VXD[ntkem.vxd] v1.16.9.0

> 4. Was the printer software installed on each machine?

No.

> 5. Does this occur, generally, after attempting to print FROM the XP machine
> to the printer?

No.  I shut down everything at night.  In the morn, if I turn on only
the machine connected to the printer, it won't print.  That is, it won't
print under any of the circumstances I have tried.

> 6. What are the settings for the printer on each of the machines?

Could you be a little more specific about these settings?

> 7. Do you use MAPPED drives?

No

> 8. Have all machines been updated?

Not sure what you are looking for here.  Especially since everything was
working fine and no software has been added or changed.

I'm pretty fussy about how much I load up on MSFT mammouth updates.  I
run my laptop with XPSP2.  The desktops with 98SE.

> 9. Have you re-checked your network and firewall settings?

Not sure what you are looking for here either, for the same reasons.

Are you asking about all firewalls or the XP firewall or the modem firewall?

Tell me a little about what you are getting at where I commented.  I'm
pretty literate.  Been playing with computers for over 50 years (Bendix
G-15 1957).

Thanks for your time.
MEB - 21 May 2008 22:35 GMT
Let me start by thanking you for answering using the number questions, they
are to allow a diagnostic routine to be developed. I normally use a 10 or
more question post [when limited information has been presented], but I
wanted to attempt to explain the diagnostic procedure as many don't
understand the process. Sorry you got picked for this activity, I hope you
don't mind. I'm not necessarily explaining *just for you*, so don't take
offense, but to those seeking help generally [remember this is received or
will be found by numerous others across the planet].

See inline for response/explanations.

| > 1. You indicate ONE desktop 98SE computer is physically connected [local] to
| > the printer, is this correct?
|
| Yes.

Thank you. This helps negate issues with a router connected [network
served] printer which might have issues with lease or otherwise..

| > 2.  Does the print server [the 98SE box] have actual network print serving
| > software or are you just printing to a SHARED printer?
|
| Just printing to a shared printer.

This help define whether we would be dealing with multiple issues,
including whether the networking software may be part of the issue.

| > 3.  What printer [model and make] and software [version, etc.] is being
| > used.
|
| HP Deskjet 970Cxi with driver files hpzusb00.sys and
| VMM32.VXD[ntkem.vxd] v1.16.9.0

When posting for help, it is a good idea to put as much related and
relevant information system-wise into the first post. It allows the parties
attempting to help, isolate the potential problems easier, and allows other
who might be helping, to point to areas which may have been overlooked by
others..

| > 4. Was the printer software installed on each machine?
|
| No.

This defines that we are dealing with a single install ON the the actual
98SE base OS to which the printer is connected. Taken with the other
responses helps to further define potentials involved.

| > 5. Does this occur, generally, after attempting to print FROM the XP machine
| > to the printer?
|
| No.  I shut down everything at night.  In the morn, if I turn on only
| the machine connected to the printer, it won't print.  That is, it won't
| print under any of the circumstances I have tried.

This negates, in part, the issue of the XP box taking control of the
printer and failing to release control while the network is
involved/running. This still potentially leaves spooling issues, possible
issues with the failed release/clearing of the printer/spooling, and other.
We now know the printer is directly connected to its printing software and
not *through* the router. We also know this is a persistant issue, not
specific to XP, not specific to a running network, and not specific to a
system that may have residual connections running [its a COLD system] except
for the router(s) [or do you turn that/them off as well?].

| > 6. What are the settings for the printer on each of the machines?
|
| Could you be a little more specific about these settings?

As we are dealing with a single 98SE box WITH the printer software and the
physical connection [as we now know from the previous questions], and NOT
having print server software in the mix: we are looking at the spooler
settings, print format [raw or otherwise], whether the controlling computer
has: captured the port, its timeout settings, proper port software/settings,
etc. specific to this one computer [presently].

| > 7. Do you use MAPPED drives?
|
| No

Okay, here, we were attempting to determine whether the mapped drives MIGHT
have had an effect in the issue [persitant connections].

| > 8. Have all machines been updated?
|
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| I'm pretty fussy about how much I load up on MSFT mammouth updates.  I
| run my laptop with XPSP2.  The desktops with 98SE.

Okay, there were some issues with some of XP's updates which were causing
issues in the network environment. If you are manually doing updates, we
would need to run through most of those old issues, though we might be able
to do so [to test] without that information. See the below.

| > 9. Have you re-checked your network and firewall settings?
|
| Not sure what you are looking for here either, for the same reasons.

As you are having issues locally [base/server system, physically connected]
at present these are not important UNLESS after the poposed fix {below}
works and the issue re-appears; or it fails, and we need to review other
potentials.

| Are you asking about all firewalls or the XP firewall or the modem firewall?

Actually, ALL. From there, if this related to a running network with a true
networked printer, and/or constant network, and/or had been XP, and/or other
issues related to the prior questions, we would have also dealt with the
Anti-virus, Anti-SpyWare, and other software and network specific
potentials, such as: Norton Security Suite or McAffe's , is it installed,
etc..

| Tell me a little about what you are getting at where I commented.  I'm
| pretty literate.  Been playing with computers for over 50 years (Bendix
| G-15 1957).

Wow, been at for awhile I see, even a bit before me. Let's see if we can
get more definition to the issue(s) involved.

| Thanks for your time.

I hope the above explains the diagnostic issues work-through, or at least
helps in the thought process. Let me now add those other questions.

10. And a question which related to 9. Do you have either of Norton or
McAfee programs/suites installed?
10a. If not what programs are you running ON THE BASE 98SE computer which
might interfere with the printing process?
10b. Did you try disabling these programs?
Though not generally thought of during self-diagnosis of shared printers
[or other networking issues], some of these programs MIGHT interfere as they
include file monitoring, local access scanners, and other which MIGHT be
involved. IF they were updated around the time that the issue popped-up,
they MIGHT be involved, even though they may have previously worked without
causing any errors.

11. The next obvious question would now be and have been 11 for an original
post: Did you try uninstalling and re-installing the printing software and
did you re-check those printer settings?
11a.  Did you, if you re-installed, re-share the printer locally and
re-install that share on the other systems?
11b. Did you FIRST [prior to un-installation and re-installation] remove the
old shared printer [locally and on the other network nodes]?
11c. Did you re-check your firewall, Anti-Virus and other for this new
allowance?
*A* This is the proposed first fix if this was NOT done, particularly as we
now know we have a basically *isolated system* to deal with. It MAY,
however, have not been recommended had the other questions pointed to a
running network, or other networking issues. Not that it would have hurt had
you done that, but we would have worked through some obvious network
potentials FIRST, like the firewall, router, XP updates, etc.and you had
indicated that you DID check the printer software settings.
Removing the shared printer PRIOR to un-installation, helps negate a false
connection [the old share{d printer}] from interfering with the new
installation and how it communicates locally and with the network. Leaving
the old share ANYWHERE on the network might cause issues as it is searched
for. XP and VISTA users might notice this more than 9X users, though all
will notice delays

12. Did you try resetting/refreshing the router [manual shutoff for several
minutes to clear the router buffers] and did you check its settings.
This question relates to whether there MAY be issues with the router or its
software which, taken with these other questions and response will help
isolate the potentials to a more limited diagnosis. IF the 98SE printer
controller is also the router controller [contains the software] then there
could. potentially, be a related issue involved as well.

Hope this explains where we are headed, and with your understanding of how
*I* work through these issues.
Its like walking backwards from the obvious [networked? then first check
network issues, but garner other information as well] to the easiest
[re-install software]. However, I don't always use the easiest attempt FIRST
[like re-installing software], as that MAY do nothing more than waste time
[though if done, one can put that on a back burner, so to speak] as at
times, you then might run across new installation issues compounding the
actual issue(s); or introducing new, while leaving the original issue(s) in
the background unresolved INCREASING the difficulty of diagnosis.

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normc - 22 May 2008 09:50 GMT
In reading your post below, I happened to think, why don't I just take
the base machine out of the network and try printing with it out.  That
oughtta tell us something.

I'll try that in the morning and respond to your post.

Thanks again.

>  Let me start by thanking you for answering using the number questions, they
> are to allow a diagnostic routine to be developed. I normally use a 10 or
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> actual issue(s); or introducing new, while leaving the original issue(s) in
> the background unresolved INCREASING the difficulty of diagnosis.
MEB - 22 May 2008 16:32 GMT
Excellent place to start.. let me know how it works out..

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| In reading your post below, I happened to think, why don't I just take
| the base machine out of the network and try printing with it out.  That
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| > actual issue(s); or introducing new, while leaving the original issue(s) in
| > the background unresolved INCREASING the difficulty of diagnosis.
normc - 23 May 2008 00:07 GMT
> Excellent place to start.. let me know how it works out..

Well..... I'm kind of embarrassed that I didn't think of trying to
isolate the problem.  But, if it wouldn't have been for what you
suggested in your posts, I still wouldn't have thought of it.

So, I've pretty much isolated it to the base machine.  It will not
print, even when it is disconnected from the network, i.e. with only the
computer and printer and the cable in-between.  So it will take data
from the other machines to the modem and on to the base computer, and
print.  But it will not print itself.

BTW, there is every indication that it is going to print, but doesn't.
That is, the regular small popup says it is printing, the printer icon
pops up in the lower right, and the printer properties say it is
printing.  The one thing that is irregular is that if I cancel the print
in the properties screen, it indicates that it is cancelled, but it
never completes.

Turns out this is getting way OT (clearly not a network problem), and I
took a look at the website you have in your sig and would like to know
more.

I volunteered for 3 1/2 years with the local CBS TV outlet consumer
advocate.  And I attended law school for a couple semesters.

If you would be interested in continuing to help me with my problem and
talk about the website, email me by changing socal.rr.com to sbcglobal.net

Thanks

Norm
MEB - 23 May 2008 06:42 GMT
| > Excellent place to start.. let me know how it works out..
|
| Well..... I'm kind of embarrassed that I didn't think of trying to
| isolate the problem.  But, if it wouldn't have been for what you
| suggested in your posts, I still wouldn't have thought of it.

I see you have gone into diagnostic mode, good.

| So, I've pretty much isolated it to the base machine.  It will not
| print, even when it is disconnected from the network, i.e. with only the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
| in the properties screen, it indicates that it is cancelled, but it
| never completes.

There is a possibility that completely removing the power from the printer
for a day or so [unplug it] may flush the printer buffers. It sometimes take
that long...
Let me explain it like this, you MAY have to do this when a print job got
corrupted [jammed paper, head jam, attempting to print while changing ink
cartridges or needing to, or some other interruption or hardware issue {did
you check for these situations}] or when the print item itself is corrupted
[contains code which translates to printer commands in conflict], OR when
there is a loss of power to the printer or computer during a print job, OR,
at times, when canceling a network print job [cancel is effected but EOF
isn't received]. The printer holds some of the commands in its buffer, which
prevent anything new from occurring, even after turning off the printer.
As power is maintained to the printer to hold information like ink levels
[page counts verses purported pages possible per cartridge],  special fonts,
etc,. so is power supplied to the print part of that memory [using my Epson
as example, though the same has occurred with my HPs]. Unless the clear/end
of print [whatever] command is received, the printer idles waiting for it to
occur. It may do the usual whirring/clicking as if its about to print when
another print job is received and even the printer monitor LOOKS like it
about to print,, but until its freed, everything is held.

Of course, there are also matters we could address, such as manually
clearing spooler files, checking registry entries, and other related, but
these would {usually} be taken care of during an un-install and re-install
of the printer software..

| Turns out this is getting way OT (clearly not a network problem), and I
| took a look at the website you have in your sig and would like to know
| more.

Not really, even though it may seem OT due to the isolation to the one
computer, its still going to be re-networked which may take some further
diagnosis [what the cause actually was] and configuration.

| I volunteered for 3 1/2 years with the local CBS TV outlet consumer
| advocate.  And I attended law school for a couple semesters.

Worthy cause, lots of issues to deal with, particularly in the world as it
is.
Bop over to win98.gen_discussion and look at the discussion:
Windows Live - no more Outlook Express 04/21/08 - 05/15/08

Microsoft re-thought the change or put it on hold, but Live still has
issues
with whatever was done to the service/server recently.

I MAY have to directly contact Microsoft Headquarters and elsewhere, as
Live and Microsoft Support [which I have been in contact with] have not,
apparently, resolved the issue, and other matters have developed during the
supposed support.
I get the impression that ALL of this Support is outsourced, and Microsoft
may not be aware of what might be occurring in this outsourced support, some
of which is extremely questionable. Not that Microsoft would be completely
relieved of responsibility for it.

| If you would be interested in continuing to help me with my problem and
| talk about the website, email me by changing socal.rr.com to sbcglobal.net
|
| Thanks
|
| Norm

There is a public email address on the website if you wish to start a
communication. You may understand [as a former consumer advocate] that those
types of advocacy can produce strange results [to put it mildly], many
private addresses were used over the years during the research phase, and
for the materials.
The few that are still active are dear. Not to deter contact with you or
prejudge or anything along those lines, but these activities out here are a
relief from the other activities in which I still engage, many of which may
not related to the website's activities [any related to Peoples' activities
are posted], or are private in nature..

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normc - 23 May 2008 23:30 GMT
> | > Excellent place to start.. let me know how it works out..
> |
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> for a day or so [unplug it] may flush the printer buffers. It sometimes take
> that long...

Can't we rule this out by virtue of the fact that the printer works just
fine and natural (like Foster farms <g>) when called upon by the other
two computers?

>  Let me explain it like this, you MAY have to do this when a print job got
> corrupted [jammed paper, head jam, attempting to print while changing ink
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> these would {usually} be taken care of during an un-install and re-install
> of the printer software..

Wouldn't all of these things affect all computers attempting to print out?

> | Turns out this is getting way OT (clearly not a network problem), and I
> | took a look at the website you have in your sig and would like to know
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> computer, its still going to be re-networked which may take some further
> diagnosis [what the cause actually was] and configuration.

OK

> | I volunteered for 3 1/2 years with the local CBS TV outlet consumer
> | advocate.  And I attended law school for a couple semesters.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Bop over to win98.gen_discussion and look at the discussion:
> Windows Live - no more Outlook Express 04/21/08 - 05/15/08

Will do.

>  Microsoft re-thought the change or put it on hold, but Live still has
> issues
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> of which is extremely questionable. Not that Microsoft would be completely
> relieved of responsibility for it.

I have some problems with Bill Gates and Microsoft.  There is so little
they do that is moral or ethical.  I enjoyed the egg-pelting Balmer got
yesterday.

I only use their OS because IBM stopped supporting OS2 for personal use.
 I've used Word Perfect and Quattro since it was in DOS, before
Windows.  For the last year or two I have been using OpenOffice.  I also
use WinAmp instead of WMP.  Have considered using Linux for years, but
illness and accidents put a hold on that.

> | If you would be interested in continuing to help me with my problem and
> | talk about the website, email me by changing socal.rr.com to sbcglobal.net
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> not related to the website's activities [any related to Peoples' activities
> are posted], or are private in nature..

I will contact you via the website.

Back to my printing problem, it appears to be something in the base
desktop, but not the spooler, because it spools the other machines.  I
have verified this in the printer properties for the XP machine.

I am unable to visualize exactly what is going on in the base machine
network architecture that seems to have failed and screwed up the local
printing.  Perhaps you could remeind me a little of what it looks like,
because I was retired long before networks came along.

Thanks.

Norm
MEB - 24 May 2008 10:05 GMT
Oh no, apparently conflicting information, let me start over. Correct
anything that is wrong or mis-stated.

A. The printing issue is on one system running 98SE. The machine has been
isolated from the network by disconnecting the cable and is not connected to
any other source or part of the network [hardwired or wireless].

B.  The printing WILL work, *at all times*, from the other networked
computers when connected, but will NOT work from the 98SE computer to which
the printer is connected.
B1. No other difficulties have been observed within the network.

C.  The printer monitoring software DOES appear, indicating an attempt to
start the process but nothing happens when attempting to print from the 98SE
box.

D.  The printer software has NOT been re-installed.

E.  The printer settings WERE checked to ensure the normal settings and
printer specific settings were in place.

F.  The systems are shutdown nightly.

The printer had a recall for its power cord:
http://www.hp.com/united-states/consumer/ac_cord_recall/direct/index.html
USB:
No response from printer
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00709723&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en
&product=61818&rule=9992&lang=en

The Printer Will Not Print When You Click 'Print'
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00292791&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en
&product=61818&rule=9992&lang=en


IF you need a driver or other for 98, you will need to look at
ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/printers/software/

Okay, some general items to review:

Did you check the USB entries?

Are there any other devices sharing the USB channel?

Did you make sure that you haven't disabled any virtual or system settings,
or they have been corrupted/modified.

Troubleshooting Spool32 Error Messages (Q191949)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191949/en-us

Cannot Print in Windows After Upgrading to Windows 98 (Q191516)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191516/en-us

http://support.microsoft.com/search/default.aspx?mode=r&query=USB+printer+does+n
ot+print&1033comm=1


CLSID codes
Printer.{2227A280-3AEA-1069-A2DE-08002B30309D}
Scheduled Tasks.{D6277990-4C6A-11CF-8D87-00AA0060F5BF}

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normc - 25 May 2008 21:28 GMT
Sorry for the delay.

> Oh no, apparently conflicting information, let me start over. Correct
> anything that is wrong or mis-stated.
>
> A. The printing issue is on one system running 98SE. The machine has been
> isolated from the network by disconnecting the cable and is not connected to
> any other source or part of the network [hardwired or wireless].

Correct.

> B.  The printing WILL work, *at all times*, from the other networked
> computers when connected, but will NOT work from the 98SE computer to which
> the printer is connected.

Correct

> B1. No other difficulties have been observed within the network.

Correct, but you reminded me of one additional thing that may mean
something to you.  It makes no sense to me and I'm not certain of the
facts surrounding it.

I have checked the printer cable connections a couple of times, thinking
that was all it could be.  (BTW, I'm using the USB connection.)  One,
and only one, of the times I disconnected and reconnected the cable, I
was able to print from the base 98SE system.

> C.  The printer monitoring software DOES appear, indicating an attempt to
> start the process but nothing happens when attempting to print from the 98SE
> box.

Correct.

> D.  The printer software has NOT been re-installed.

Correct, since that software is used for the other two machines and works.

> E.  The printer settings WERE checked to ensure the normal settings and
> printer specific settings were in place.

Not because of the printing problem, because the settings are fine for
the other machines.  However, I am regularly changing the settings as a
routine matter.

> F.  The systems are shutdown nightly.

Correct.

>  The printer had a recall for its power cord:
> http://www.hp.com/united-states/consumer/ac_cord_recall/direct/index.html

Yes, I knew.  It was replaced.  Thank you.

>  USB:
> No response from printer
> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00709723&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en
&product=61818&rule=9992&lang=en

> The Printer Will Not Print When You Click 'Print'
> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00292791&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en
&product=61818&rule=9992&lang=en

I will check the USB link.

> IF you need a driver or other for 98, you will need to look at
> ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/printers/software/

I'll check this out.  I'm not familiar with ftp sites, but no time like
the present to find out.

>  Okay, some general items to review:
>
>  Did you check the USB entries?

Yes.  All of them.  There were some general and those specific to the
printer, in the System/Device/Manager.

>  Are there any other devices sharing the USB channel?

A desktop digital speaker system.  I'll try pulling that USB cable.

>  Did you make sure that you haven't disabled any virtual or system settings,
> or they have been corrupted/modified.

No idea of what to look for since two printers work.

> Troubleshooting Spool32 Error Messages (Q191949)
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191949/en-us

The base machine spools fine for the other two machines

> Cannot Print in Windows After Upgrading to Windows 98 (Q191516)
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191516/en-us

I'll take a look, but doesn't sound applicable.

> http://support.microsoft.com/search/default.aspx?mode=r&query=USB+printer+does+n
ot+print&1033comm=1

>
> CLSID codes
> Printer.{2227A280-3AEA-1069-A2DE-08002B30309D}
> Scheduled Tasks.{D6277990-4C6A-11CF-8D87-00AA0060F5BF}

I'll take a look.

Thanks.
MEB - 26 May 2008 03:39 GMT
| Sorry for the delay.
|
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|
| Correct

Okay, for some reason, I got the impression that *at times* it did NOT work
over the network.

| > B1. No other difficulties have been observed within the network.
|
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| and only one, of the times I disconnected and reconnected the cable, I
| was able to print from the base 98SE system.

There is a potential that uninstalling/removing the USB subs and hubs may
correct the issue. This refreshes the registry entries and related spooler
controls for the printer. FIRST though, double check the USB settings and
use usbview [its on your 98 installation CD in tools\reskit\diagnose] to
make sure of the actuall settings being used. Highlight what it shows for
the printer, copy and paste into a text file [not Word] and save for
reference.

| > C.  The printer monitoring software DOES appear, indicating an attempt to
| > start the process but nothing happens when attempting to print from the 98SE
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| >
| >  The printer had a recall for its power cord:

http://www.hp.com/united-states/consumer/ac_cord_recall/direct/index.html

| Yes, I knew.  It was replaced.  Thank you.
|
| >  USB:
| > No response from printer

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00709723&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en
&product=61818&rule=9992&lang=en

| > The Printer Will Not Print When You Click 'Print'

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00292791&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en
&product=61818&rule=9992&lang=en


| I will check the USB link.
|
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|
| A desktop digital speaker system.  I'll try pulling that USB cable.

Do that to help isolate the issue.

Let me stop comments until to you respond with whether this is built in USB
2.0 or being supplied by an extra adapter card.

The issues may revolve several others, in addition to what has already been
addressed.
I'm going to cross post this to win98.gen_discussion so others might help
with the issue since we now have several issue out of the way..

| >  Did you make sure that you haven't disabled any virtual or system settings,
| > or they have been corrupted/modified.
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|
| I'll take a look, but doesn't sound applicable.

http://support.microsoft.com/search/default.aspx?mode=r&query=USB+printer+does+n
ot+print&1033comm=1


| > CLSID codes
| > Printer.{2227A280-3AEA-1069-A2DE-08002B30309D}
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
|
| Thanks.

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normc - 27 May 2008 02:46 GMT
I unplugged my USB speakers.  It didn't make any difference.  Identical
behavior.  However, right after doing so, I played a game of Solitaire
from SolSuite and noticed that it was operating very slowly.  I could
see the cards kind of skip along when I released them, rather than zip
to it.

So I went to disable the spooler and couldn't.  That option was grayed
out.  Does this mean anything to you?

I also clicked on the Print Test Page button.  The test page is now
hanging up the printer, and will not cancel/delete.

Any comments here?

> | Sorry for the delay.
> |
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> |
> | Thanks.
Brian A. - 27 May 2008 03:32 GMT
Ok now, I don't have full info on your situation since the only posts I see
are the last two by MEB and this one I'm responding to.  However, if the printer
is having problems and now you have a print queue that's hung and won't cancel
or pause, uninstall/reinstall the printer.  It may squeak at you about a print
job still in queue, ignore it and continue with the uninstall/reinstall.

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>I unplugged my USB speakers.  It didn't make any difference.  Identical
> behavior.  However, right after doing so, I played a game of Solitaire
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>> |
>> | Thanks.
MEB - 27 May 2008 04:18 GMT
Let me bring you up to speed, though I fully agree with what you presented.

05/21/08

|  Let me start by thanking you for answering using the number questions,
they
| are to allow a diagnostic routine to be developed. I normally use a 10 or
| more question post [when limited information has been presented], but I
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|
| | > 3.  What printer [model and make] and software [version, etc.] is
being
| | > used.
| |
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
|  When posting for help, it is a good idea to put as much related and
| relevant information system-wise into the first post. It allows the
parties
| attempting to help, isolate the potential problems easier, and allows
other
| who might be helping, to point to areas which may have been overlooked by
| others..
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| involved/running. This still potentially leaves spooling issues, possible
| issues with the failed release/clearing of the printer/spooling, and
other.
| We now know the printer is directly connected to its printing software and
| not *through* the router. We also know this is a persistant issue, not
| specific to XP, not specific to a running network, and not specific to a
| system that may have residual connections running [its a COLD system]
except
| for the router(s) [or do you turn that/them off as well?].
|
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|
|  As we are dealing with a single 98SE box WITH the printer software and
the
| physical connection [as we now know from the previous questions], and NOT
| having print server software in the mix: we are looking at the spooler
| settings, print format [raw or otherwise], whether the controlling
computer
| has: captured the port, its timeout settings, proper port
software/settings,
| etc. specific to this one computer [presently].
|
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
|
|  Okay, here, we were attempting to determine whether the mapped drives
MIGHT
| have had an effect in the issue [persitant connections].
|
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| issues in the network environment. If you are manually doing updates, we
| would need to run through most of those old issues, though we might be
able
| to do so [to test] without that information. See the below.
|
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|
|  As you are having issues locally [base/server system, physically
connected]
| at present these are not important UNLESS after the poposed fix {below}
| works and the issue re-appears; or it fails, and we need to review other
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|
|  Actually, ALL. From there, if this related to a running network with a
true
| networked printer, and/or constant network, and/or had been XP, and/or
other
| issues related to the prior questions, we would have also dealt with the
| Anti-virus, Anti-SpyWare, and other software and network specific
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|  Though not generally thought of during self-diagnosis of shared printers
| [or other networking issues], some of these programs MIGHT interfere as
they
| include file monitoring, local access scanners, and other which MIGHT be
| involved. IF they were updated around the time that the issue popped-up,
| they MIGHT be involved, even though they may have previously worked
without
| causing any errors.
|
| 11. The next obvious question would now be and have been 11 for an
original
| post: Did you try uninstalling and re-installing the printing software and
| did you re-check those printer settings?
| 11a.  Did you, if you re-installed, re-share the printer locally and
| re-install that share on the other systems?
| 11b. Did you FIRST [prior to un-installation and re-installation] remove
the
| old shared printer [locally and on the other network nodes]?
| 11c. Did you re-check your firewall, Anti-Virus and other for this new
| allowance?
| *A* This is the proposed first fix if this was NOT done, particularly as
we
| now know we have a basically *isolated system* to deal with. It MAY,
| however, have not been recommended had the other questions pointed to a
| running network, or other networking issues. Not that it would have hurt
had
| you done that, but we would have worked through some obvious network
| potentials FIRST, like the firewall, router, XP updates, etc.and you had
| indicated that you DID check the printer software settings.
|  Removing the shared printer PRIOR to un-installation, helps negate a
false
| connection [the old share{d printer}] from interfering with the new
| installation and how it communicates locally and with the network. Leaving
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|
| 12. Did you try resetting/refreshing the router [manual shutoff for
several
| minutes to clear the router buffers] and did you check its settings.
|  This question relates to whether there MAY be issues with the router or
its
| software which, taken with these other questions and response will help
| isolate the potentials to a more limited diagnosis. IF the 98SE printer
| controller is also the router controller [contains the software] then
there
| could. potentially, be a related issue involved as well.
|
|  Hope this explains where we are headed, and with your understanding of
how
| *I* work through these issues.
|  Its like walking backwards from the obvious [networked? then first check
| network issues, but garner other information as well] to the easiest
| [re-install software]. However, I don't always use the easiest attempt
FIRST
| [like re-installing software], as that MAY do nothing more than waste time
| [though if done, one can put that on a back burner, so to speak] as at
| times, you then might run across new installation issues compounding the
| actual issue(s); or introducing new, while leaving the original issue(s)
in
| the background unresolved INCREASING the difficulty of diagnosis.

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|   Ok now, I don't have full info on your situation since the only posts I
see
| are the last two by MEB and this one I'm responding to.  However, if the printer
| is having problems and now you have a print queue that's hung and won't cancel
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| >> | >
| >> | >  The printer had a recall for its power cord:

http://www.hp.com/united-states/consumer/ac_cord_recall/direct/index.html

| >> | Yes, I knew.  It was replaced.  Thank you.
| >> |
| >> | >  USB:
| >> | > No response from printer

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00709723&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en
&product=61818&rule=9992&lang=en

| >> | > The Printer Will Not Print When You Click 'Print'

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00292791&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en
&product=61818&rule=9992&lang=en


| >> | I will check the USB link.
| >> |
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| >> |
| >> | I'll take a look, but doesn't sound applicable.

http://support.microsoft.com/search/default.aspx?mode=r&query=USB+printer+does+n
ot+print&1033comm=1


| >> | > CLSID codes
| >> | > Printer.{2227A280-3AEA-1069-A2DE-08002B30309D}
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
| >> |
| >> | Thanks.
Brian A. - 27 May 2008 05:12 GMT
Thanks for that MEB, correct me if I misunderstood anything so I have it
right.

The OP has a printer connected to a 98SE machine as a local shared printer.
The printer is shared with remote XP machines on the network.
The printer fails on the 98SE machine it's physically connected to after a
shutdown/restart.
The printer still works on the remote machines after a shutdown/restart?  This
doesn't make sense, hence the purpose of the question mark.

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> Let me bring you up to speed, though I fully agree with what you presented.
>
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> | >> |
> | >> | Thanks.
normc - 27 May 2008 06:41 GMT
Thanks Brian -

>  Thanks for that MEB, correct me if I misunderstood anything so I have
> it right.
>
> The OP has a printer connected to a 98SE machine as a local shared printer.

Right

> The printer is shared with remote XP machines on the network.

Probably doesn't matter, but one remote is XPSP2 and one is 98SE

> The printer fails on the 98SE machine it's physically connected to after
> a shutdown/restart.

Fails any time, i.e. will not print from base machine at any time.

> The printer still works on the remote machines after a
> shutdown/restart?  

Right.

This doesn't make sense, hence the purpose of the
> question mark.

Does it make more sense now?

With regard to your suggestion about reinstalling the printer, I'm a
great believer in, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."  If it was a
printer install problem, how would the other two machines be able to
make it print via the base machine?

I know little about my network.  I'm not sure about the
layout/architecture in the base machine.  All I'm aware of is {1} a NIC
and a cable to the modem and (2) the cable to the printer.

What could be going wrong in the base machine with the combining of all
three machines and the distribution to two of the machines, but not to
the third.

Thanks again.

That is,
Brian A. - 27 May 2008 07:18 GMT
> Thanks Brian -
>
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>
> Probably doesn't matter, but one remote is XPSP2 and one is 98SE

 Sometimes the OS flavor can matter, however in this case it doesn't.

>> The printer fails on the 98SE machine it's physically connected to after a
>> shutdown/restart.
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>>
> Does it make more sense now?

 Only if the drivers are installed on the other two machines, if they aren't
and the shared printer isn't working on the host machine they printer should
fail on all machines.

> With regard to your suggestion about reinstalling the printer, I'm a great
> believer in, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."  If it was a printer install
> problem, how would the other two machines be able to make it print via the
> base machine?

 Yet it is broke in a sense if it won't print, especially when the machine it's
connected to is the machine it doesn't print from.  Again, that falls back to my
last statement of where the drivers are installed.  If the drivers are installed
on all networked machines and the printer only fails on one machine, the drivers
on that machine have a great possibility of being corrupt.

> I know little about my network.  I'm not sure about the layout/architecture in
> the base machine.  All I'm aware of is {1} a NIC and a cable to the modem and
> (2) the cable to the printer.

 Is there no router involved?  I did see questions about one although a router
shouldn't have any effect.
 The USB cable from the printer is connected directly to the 98SE machine,
correct?

> What could be going wrong in the base machine with the combining of all three
> machines and the distribution to two of the machines, but not to the third.

 Has it ever printed to the host machine?  If yes, driver corruption.  If no,
possibly USB version/drivers not compatible with mobo, improper USB setting in
the BIOS and/or improper configuration on the host.

 Will it print on the host if it's not shared?

> Thanks again.
>
> That is,

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MEB - 27 May 2008 07:48 GMT
Since there appears to be issues with slow down in other areas of his
computer [the SOL game] perhaps there are memory issues, swap, or scanning
issues. Plus there is now a failure on the local/base machine

What Anti-Virus is on the machine? PLEASE don't say Norton/Symantec or
CA....

How about running memload, and some test tools like SpyWare/Malware
detection, and other??

Normc, what make and model of computer [or motherboard if homebuilt],
memory installed, video card, and what adapters [down a different path
perhaps] I still want to know if this is onboard USB or an adapter, how much
disk space is available, check the folder C:\WINDOWS\spool {what's in it},
when was the last time the temps were cleaned...

{Thinking>< Local network access is handled a little differently than the
local machine...}

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| >
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| >
| > That is,
MEB - 27 May 2008 08:06 GMT
Oh forgot, Normc did you unplug {depower} that printer for awhile as I had
suggested previously... the failure to print a full test page indicates
potential direct printer issues..

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| Since there appears to be issues with slow down in other areas of his
| computer [the SOL game] perhaps there are memory issues, swap, or scanning
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| | >
| | > That is,
normc - 27 May 2008 09:00 GMT
> Oh forgot, Normc did you unplug {depower} that printer for awhile as I had
> suggested previously... the failure to print a full test page indicates
> potential direct printer issues..

MEB & Brian

I've been wrongly visualizing the system situation.  I was thinking that
the base computer was taking care of everything required for printing.
But you guys got me thinking:  I suspect that the HP driver is installed
on all three machines, and one of those drivers is not working, as
you've both suggested.

I will reinstall tomorrow, either from the CD or from a downloaded
update.  I'll let you know.
normc - 27 May 2008 09:02 GMT
> Oh forgot, Normc did you unplug {depower} that printer for awhile as I had
> suggested previously... the failure to print a full test page indicates
> potential direct printer issues..

But why does the printer print from the other two machines?
MEB - 27 May 2008 17:17 GMT
{Thinking>< Local network access is handled a little differently than the
local machine...}

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| > Oh forgot, Normc did you unplug {depower} that printer for awhile as I had
| > suggested previously... the failure to print a full test page indicates
| > potential direct printer issues..
|
| But why does the printer print from the other two machines?
normc - 27 May 2008 20:20 GMT
> {Thinking>< Local network access is handled a little differently than the
> local machine...}

Reinstalled driver.  Now works.  Thanks for your time.
MEB - 27 May 2008 21:24 GMT
Good, glad to hear it. Need help later with anything use one of the two
groups. Good luck.

Thanks for posting back with the resolution.

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| > {Thinking>< Local network access is handled a little differently than the
| > local machine...}
|
| Reinstalled driver.  Now works.  Thanks for your time.
normc - 27 May 2008 20:21 GMT
>> Thanks Brian -
>>
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>>
>> That is,

Reinstalled driver.  Now working as it should.  Thanks for your help.
Brian A. - 27 May 2008 21:14 GMT
> Reinstalled driver.  Now working as it should.  Thanks for your help.
 Glad to see you're back in the "loop", have fun and enjoy.

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normc - 28 May 2008 05:34 GMT
>> Reinstalled driver.  Now working as it should.  Thanks for your help.
>  Glad to see you're back in the "loop", have fun and enjoy.

It printed once after I uninstalled and reinstalled the USB driver.
Tried again and it wouldn't print.

I have tried it from the XPSP2 laptop and it printed as usual.  I also
tried it before reinstalling the driver on the desktop, and it wouldn't
print.  As soon as I reinstalled, the desktop machine printed once and
the laptop has printed whenever called upon by the laptop

Any ideas as to what can be screwing up the driver on the desktop?
Brian A. - 28 May 2008 06:52 GMT
>>> Reinstalled driver.  Now working as it should.  Thanks for your help.
>>  Glad to see you're back in the "loop", have fun and enjoy.
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>
> Any ideas as to what can be screwing up the driver on the desktop?

 On the 98SE machine:
Reboot.
Once back at the desktop press ctrl+alt+del.
If hpzstatx and/or hpzsta9 are listed in the Close Program window, End Task on
them.
Close out of Close Program.
Click Start > Find > Folders/Files.
In the box:
Named:  type in hpzsta*.exe
Look in:  select C:\
Click "Find Now".
If hpzstatx.exe and/or hpzsta9.exe are found, right click each one and rename
the extension to .old.
Close out of find and reboot.
Try to print to see if the issue is resolved.

 If neither file is/was present on the machine:
Uninstall/reinstall the printer.
DO NOT SHARE the printer again yet.
Try to print to see if the issue is resolved.
Try to print a second time to see if the issue is resolved.
Reboot and try another print job or two to see if the issue is resolved.

 Post back with the results.  If the results were a failure at any time, please
post as much information as possible as to when it failed, if any print queues
are stalled, etc.

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MEB - 28 May 2008 08:40 GMT
I'll add, disconnect the computer from the network again while running these
test.

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| >>> Reinstalled driver.  Now working as it should.  Thanks for your help.
| >>  Glad to see you're back in the "loop", have fun and enjoy.
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| post as much information as possible as to when it failed, if any print queues
| are stalled, etc.
MEB - 28 May 2008 08:50 GMT
Oh, and Normc, best start figuring out where in the update process you are
for XP if Brian's suggestions don't work

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| I'll add, disconnect the computer from the network again while running these
| test.
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| queues
| | are stalled, etc.
normc - 28 May 2008 22:19 GMT
>>>> Reinstalled driver.  Now working as it should.  Thanks for your help.
>>>  Glad to see you're back in the "loop", have fun and enjoy.
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> If hpzstatx.exe and/or hpzsta9.exe are found, right click each one and
> rename the extension to .old.

Only found;

hpzsta9x.exe (3 occurrence, same size and date)
hpzstatx.exe

Note that I didn't find any hpzsta9.exe

I renamed hpzstatx and was able to print from two different apps

Could I have another minute of your time?  WTF is/was going on?

Many thanks.  Hope it 'holds'.

> Close out of find and reboot.
> Try to print to see if the issue is resolved.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> please post as much information as possible as to when it failed, if any
> print queues are stalled, etc.
normc - 29 May 2008 01:28 GMT
You guys have gotten me thinking again.  I haven't had to do this for
many years.

The printing capability didn't last for long.  However, it appears
(also) to be related to OpenOffice.

At the moment, it appears that it is OO Calc that won't print and then
hangs up the printer for all users.

That is, if I reboot and print from WordPad, it works.  If I then open
and print from OO Write, it works.  If I then open OO Calc and print, it
doesn't and hangs the printer up.

If I then reboot and print first from OO Calc, it doesn't print and hangs.

Do either of you use OpenOffice?

>>>>> Reinstalled driver.  Now working as it should.  Thanks for your help.
>>>>  Glad to see you're back in the "loop", have fun and enjoy.
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
>> time, please post as much information as possible as to when it
>> failed, if any print queues are stalled, etc.
normc - 29 May 2008 01:55 GMT
> You guys have gotten me thinking again.  I haven't had to do this for
> many years.
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>
> Do either of you use OpenOffice?

But I use OO Calc on the laptop (XPSP2) and print from there, if for no
other reason than I can't print Calc from the desktop.

>>>>>> Reinstalled driver.  Now working as it should.  Thanks for your help.
>>>>>  Glad to see you're back in the "loop", have fun and enjoy.
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
>>> time, please post as much information as possible as to when it
>>> failed, if any print queues are stalled, etc.
MEB - 30 May 2008 00:39 GMT
Try this search and others:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Open+Office+Calc+causes+printer+crash&btnG=
Google+Search


 I can't help with Open Office, all present machines are running versions
of Windows for testing... just one more issue which throws off results.

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| > many years.
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| >>> time, please post as much information as possible as to when it
| >>> failed, if any print queues are stalled, etc.
new - 22 Aug 2008 05:20 GMT
> > Thanks Brian -
> >
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> >
> > That is,
MEB - 26 May 2008 03:59 GMT
Tried cross-posting this, I don't see it. Ignore if it came through...

"normc" <norm-c@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:qZj_j.2274$N87.678@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
| Sorry for the delay.
|
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| >
| > A. The printing issue is on one system running 98SE. The machine has
been
| > isolated from the network by disconnecting the cable and is not
connected to
| > any other source or part of the network [hardwired or wireless].
|
| Correct.
| >
| > B.  The printing WILL work, *at all times*, from the other networked
| > computers when connected, but will NOT work from the 98SE computer to
which
| > the printer is connected.
|
| Correct

Okay, for some reason, I got the impression that *at times* it did NOT work
over the network.

| > B1. No other difficulties have been observed within the network.
|
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| and only one, of the times I disconnected and reconnected the cable, I
| was able to print from the base 98SE system.

There is a potential that uninstalling/removing the USB subs and hubs may
correct the issue. This refreshes the registry entries and related spooler
controls for the printer. FIRST though, double check the USB settings and
use usbview [its on your 98 installation CD in tools\reskit\diagnose] to
make sure of the actuall settings being used. Highlight what it shows for
the printer, copy and paste into a text file [not Word] and save for
reference.

| > C.  The printer monitoring software DOES appear, indicating an attempt
to
| > start the process but nothing happens when attempting to print from the
98SE
| > box.
|
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| >
| >  The printer had a recall for its power cord:

http://www.hp.com/united-states/consumer/ac_cord_recall/direct/index.html

| Yes, I knew.  It was replaced.  Thank you.
|
| >  USB:
| > No response from printer

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00709723&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en
&product=61818&rule=9992&lang=en

| > The Printer Will Not Print When You Click 'Print'

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00292791&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en
&product=61818&rule=9992&lang=en


| I will check the USB link.
|
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|
| A desktop digital speaker system.  I'll try pulling that USB cable.

Do that to help isolate the issue.

Let me stop comments until to you respond with whether this is built in USB
2.0 or being supplied by an extra adapter card.

The issues may revolve several others, in addition to what has already been
addressed.
I'm going to cross post this to win98.gen_discussion so others might help
with the issue since we now have several issue out of the way..

| >  Did you make sure that you haven't disabled any virtual or system
settings,
| > or they have been corrupted/modified.
|
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|
| I'll take a look, but doesn't sound applicable.

http://support.microsoft.com/search/default.aspx?mode=r&query=USB+printer+does+n
ot+print&1033comm=1


| > CLSID codes
| > Printer.{2227A280-3AEA-1069-A2DE-08002B30309D}
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|
| Thanks.

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