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Dapper Dan - 29 Jan 2005 13:21 GMT
I received an e-mail today purportedly from my e-mail address with
subject line <Need to loose a few pounds> but the message contents
related to viagra.
I assume someone who has my address is infected. Is there anything I
can do to prevent the use of my address being used indiscriminately?
Jim Pickering - 29 Jan 2005 17:58 GMT
No.  Once it's been harvested by a spammer, it's available for resale to any
other spammer in the world looking to increase market penetration.

In fact, your IP address reveals that you are probably in the area of
Burlington, Ontario so that they can tailor it to the appropriate postal
code.  Anonymity in the world today is really hard to achieve.
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>I received an e-mail today purportedly from my e-mail address with
> subject line <Need to loose a few pounds> but the message contents
> related to viagra.
> I assume someone who has my address is infected. Is there anything I
> can do to prevent the use of my address being used indiscriminately?
Dapper Dan - 29 Jan 2005 22:36 GMT
Thanks for responding, Jim. I hate to see my name and address being
used like this, but I guess I'll just have to live with it.
I use a munged address for the Newsgroups, so how in the world would
you know I live in the Burlington area. Scary !

> No.  Once it's been harvested by a spammer, it's available for resale to any
> other spammer in the world looking to increase market penetration.
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> > I assume someone who has my address is infected. Is there anything I
> > can do to prevent the use of my address being used indiscriminately?
Jim Pickering - 30 Jan 2005 02:48 GMT
It's just the times in which we live, Dan.  Doesn't have to be scary at all
if one is informed.  If you really think about it, the situation depicted in
this link is not too far off in the future (and indeed parts of it already
exist today):  http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927

And your location was easy to figure out by looking at your IP address in
your news post and then running it through this link:
http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation

Thanks for the feedback.
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> Thanks for responding, Jim. I hate to see my name and address being
> used like this, but I guess I'll just have to live with it.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>> > can do to prevent the use of my address being used
> indiscriminately?
Dapper Dan - 30 Jan 2005 03:55 GMT
That's amazing stuff, Jim. I agree, a lot of it is already here.
With regards to the location, do I understand it correctly. That is,
even if one munges an address, the recipient of an email can always
identify who sent it ?

> It's just the times in which we live, Dan.  Doesn't have to be scary at all
> if one is informed.  If you really think about it, the situation depicted in
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> >> > can do to prevent the use of my address being used
> > indiscriminately?
Jim Pickering - 30 Jan 2005 18:21 GMT
> That's amazing stuff, Jim. I agree, a lot of it is already here.
> With regards to the location, do I understand it correctly. That is,
> even if one munges an address, the recipient of an email can always
> identify who sent it ?

Unless one is proficient at "spoofing" IP addresses, which would imply a
level of awareness of how the system works to a much greater degree than
average.  Changing or "munging" email addresses only prevents people from
mailing to a known address; it does nothing to hide the IP address of the
sender.  And armed with that info (and is some cases a court order) the
identity is a simple thing to find out.  Your activity is recorded by your
ISP in date time logs (which is why they usually require a court order to
allow law enforcement to see them).

It's sort of like the neighborhoods where I grew up a long time ago, when if
I or any other youngsters in the neighborhood did anything "out of line," we
could be assured that our Mom and Dad would know about it before we ever got
home.  It's just now that "Big Brother" is watching vs. that "nosy Mrs.
O'Malley" down the street. <G>
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Dapper Dan - 30 Jan 2005 21:44 GMT
Thanks for the response, Jim
I remember that nosy Mrs.O'Malley. Couldn't have any fun if she was in
the window !

> > That's amazing stuff, Jim. I agree, a lot of it is already here.
> > With regards to the location, do I understand it correctly. That is,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> home.  It's just now that "Big Brother" is watching vs. that "nosy Mrs.
> O'Malley" down the street. <G>
 
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