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Windows Forum / Windows 98 / Internet / February 2006OE6 is switching news servers on me
This is an annoying problem that I'm not sure how to fix. I'm using Win98SE and OE6. Two of us here are using OE6 to post using 2 different news servers - this one "Fred" and another one "Sam". Here's the problem - I go into one of the "Fred" newsgroups and open a posting, then hit "reply group" -- sometimes "Sam" comes up in the "news server" field. This is sometimes -- not always. Since this started happening, I try to remember to check the "sender" field each time. If it puts the wrong name in the news server field, and I try to switch it, the 'newsgroup' field clears, and if I type in the newsgroup name again, it won't send it. Any ideas on how to solve this problem? Thanks in advance. Fred > This is an annoying problem that I'm not sure how to fix. I'm using > Win98SE [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Fred If you switch accounts it's no guarantee that the group would be included in that account thus that is not a problem but by design. That's a known bug. There's a fix for it in Windows XP For more information on this, see: http://www.insideoe.com/problems/bugs.htm#acctwatch  SignatureMike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm > This is an annoying problem that I'm not sure how to fix. I'm using > Win98SE [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Fred Ah so! Is there a patch for Win98SE? > That's a known bug. There's a fix for it in Windows XP > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > > Fred I'd don't think so, and as far as I know, none is planned. As far as Microsoft is concerned, Win98 is dead. At most they do an occasion critical security update. SignatureMike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm > Ah so! Is there a patch for Win98SE? > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> > >> > Fred Thanks again. Another question - I have 3 email accounts. When I click send/receive and have a lot of email coming in, it displays that most is coming thru on acct #1, but then some comes thru on the other 2 accounts -- even though all of the incoming email is addressed to the 1st acct name. (It all is stored in the same Inbox for address #1 -- that is, the mail rule that diverts incoming email addressed to emails #2 and #3 to their own inboxes doesn't divert this mail.) Thank again. Fred > This is an annoying problem that I'm not sure how to fix. I'm using Win98SE > and OE6. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Fred I'm guessing that all 3 OE accounts are the same server POP3 account. You can verify this by looking at Tools, Accounts, Mail, Properties, Server. If the 3 accounts have the same Incoming POP3 server name and Account Name there, they are the same server POP3 account. In that case, any one of the accounts can download any of the mail. It's a matter of chance. IF you want to force all mail to download via one OE account, then on the General tab, uncheck the Include this account .. box except on the one account you want OE to download via. As for the message rules, if you are doing it based on account, then in this case that's not reliable. If you are doing based on the TO or CC, that may work. But you get into problems when a single message is addressed to more than one of you e-mail addresses, or the sender used BCC. - For some Outlook Express Message Rules tips, see: - http://www.insideoe.com/tips/rules.htm - http://www.mindspring.com/~majik/messagerules.htm SignatureMike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm > Thanks again. Another question - I have 3 email accounts. When I > click [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> >> Fred Thanks. I'm pretty new at this and need some help understanding this.... I just unchecked "include this account.." box for each account. Now, when I hit send/receive, will the incoming mail still be downloaded? > I'm guessing that all 3 OE accounts are the same server POP3 account. > You can verify this by looking at Tools, Accounts, Mail, Properties, [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > >> > >> Fred Assuming that they are aliases, you want the Include this account checked for 1 of the accounts. Most likely the one you've set as the default account. But check the Servers tab. If they are aliases, then the 3 accounts will have the same settings there. In that you only need one of them to download all the mail. SignatureMike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm > Thanks. I'm pretty new at this and need some help understanding > this.... [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] >> >> >> >> Fred Well, I unchecked all three, and then it wouldn't download any of the email. What I'm trying to do is... download and send all email for all accounts, but when I respond to email send to name#2, have "name#2" in the "reply" field. Now, when I reply, I never know which name the program is going to put in that field. > Assuming that they are aliases, you want the Include this account > checked for 1 of the accounts. Most likely the one you've set as the [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > >> >> > >> >> Fred OE picks the FROM based on which OE account downloaded the mail. When the e-mail addresses are aliases for the same server account, there is no good way handle this. You have a couple of choices: - Have just the default check the Include this account. Then all mail will download via the default account. The default account is what OE will choose for new messages. And for replies and forwards OE will choose the account that download the message which again will be the default account. You get consistency. Then whenever you want the mail to say it is from a different account, you know you need to choose that in the From dropdown before sending. - Put each OE account in its own identity. Then use Message Rules to not download messages for the other e-mail addresses. Each identity will always the appropriate account since it has only one. There is a downside to this. For one you need to switch identities to check each mail account. For another, message rules can't properly separate the mail when either the same message is sent to more than one of you addresses (probably rare) or the sender used BCC (as mailing lists often do.). SignatureMike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm > Well, I unchecked all three, and then it wouldn't download any of the > email. [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] >> >> >> >> >> >> Fred Thanks, Michael. Excellent explanation - even _I_ understood it! I see now how to handle the problem except that the "bcc" issue is going to be trouble. Can you recommend any other email programs that would make these problems go away? Fred > OE picks the FROM based on which OE account downloaded the mail. When > the e-mail addresses are aliases for the same server account, there is [quoted text clipped - 135 lines] > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Fred I don't know if any other mail programs can handle that properly. It's dependent on your mail server inserting a header, such as X-Apparently-To: and the mail program being able to filter on that header. OE can handle things properly if each e-mail address is a separate POP3 server account. Some ISPs do that when you create additional e-mail addresses. Others take the cheap route and dump them all into one server account. The other option is to use a different e-mail service for additional accounts. Last I heard, Gmail is still offering POP3 access on their free accounts. Some other mail services have gone to charging for that feature. SignatureMike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm > Thanks, Michael. Excellent explanation - even _I_ understood it! > [quoted text clipped - 175 lines] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Fred I'm using verizon. I don't know but I would guess that they are using at least the current standard software. I don't know a pop account from a pop bottle, so most of your fine advice is over my head. What question should I ask verizon to help get this problem straightened out? Or should I just do away with OE6 and use Eudora or another email program? Thanks! Fred > I don't know if any other mail programs can handle that properly. It's > dependent on your mail server inserting a header, such as [quoted text clipped - 188 lines] > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Fred If you look in OE at Tools, Accounts, Mail, Properties, Servers for each of your mail accounts. If they all have the same Incoming Server (POP3) name (almost certain since they are form the same ISP) *** AND *** they have the same Incoming Server Account Name there, then they are the same server POP3 account and OE will have problems separating the mail. I have no idea if Eudora or any other mail programs handles this better. If you look at the URL in may signature, I have links to web sites with more information on various mail programs. SignatureMike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm > I'm using verizon. I don't know but I would guess that they are using > at [quoted text clipped - 235 lines] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Fred Thanks, Michael. > If you look in OE at Tools, Accounts, Mail, Properties, Servers for each > of your mail accounts. If they all have the same Incoming Server (POP3) [quoted text clipped - 245 lines] > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Fred Thanks again, Mike. That's a great site you have put together!! http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm > Thanks, Michael. > [quoted text clipped - 247 lines] > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Fred You are welcome and thanks. SignatureMike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm > Thanks again, Mike. That's a great site you have put together!! > [quoted text clipped - 316 lines] >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Fred I think you are confusing yourself with too many users on one OE Identity. Try going to File | Identities and set one up for Sam. Add his accounts and his newsserver. Then set up another Identity for you and add your mail account and your newsserver. Then when you are on the computer, go to File | Switch Identity and switch to you, and then when he is on, switch Id to him. That way you can separate your invidual messages, as you will have different message stores. It won't really secure you from the other in terms of being able to read their mail (with some tricks), but it will segregate the two. Also, if you do this, make absolutely sure that you do point 2 here for each Identity you set up and also do point 3: www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx steve > This is an annoying problem that I'm not sure how to fix. I'm using > Win98SE [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Fred Thanks very much, Steve. Will give it try. > I think you are confusing yourself with too many users on one OE Identity. > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > > Fred Thanks again Steve. That was so simple, and should eliminate the crossed email and newsgroup problems. > Thanks very much, Steve. Will give it try. > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > > > > > Fred Question #2. Is there an easy way to move a news server accounts, like this one, and an email account to the new identity? > Thanks again Steve. That was so simple, and should eliminate the crossed > email and newsgroup problems. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > > > > > > > Fred > Question #2. Is there an easy way to move a news server accounts, like > this > one, and an email account to the new identity? Tools | Accounts While in the old identity export them and then import them while in the new account. SignatureFrank Saunders, MS-MVP OE Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email http://www.fjsmjs.com Protect your PC http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/ You might have trouble importing the newsservers and messages over. You can copy the newsserver messages from one identity into a local folder and then import that local folder to another Identity. steve > Question #2. Is there an easy way to move a news server accounts, like > this [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] >> > > > >> > > > Fred Folks, I appreciate all the help, but I am find one bug and/or inconvenience after another with OE6. I have no choice but to stay with OE6 for the time being, but it's not a program I plan to stay with. Thanks for all the help. Fred This is an annoying problem that I'm not sure how to fix. I'm using Win98SE and OE6. Two of us here are using OE6 to post using 2 different news servers - this one "Fred" and another one "Sam". Here's the problem - I go into one of the "Fred" newsgroups and open a posting, then hit "reply group" -- sometimes "Sam" comes up in the "news server" field. This is sometimes -- not always. Since this started happening, I try to remember to check the "sender" field each time. If it puts the wrong name in the news server field, and I try to switch it, the 'newsgroup' field clears, and if I type in the newsgroup name again, it won't send it. Any ideas on how to solve this problem? Thanks in advance. Fred That's a known bug. A fix is available for XP SP2. For more information, see: http://www.insideoe.com/problems/bugs.htm#acctwatch SignatureMike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm > This is an annoying problem that I'm not sure how to fix. I'm using > Win98SE [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Fred |
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