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Windows Forum / Windows 98 / Internet / November 2007OE6 dbx filename changes
Before I got the responses to my other question, and thus before I did any reading of the provided links, I tried renaming my old Inbox to preserve it, using a Windows tool rather than an OE tool. I went into the Stored messages folder to do this. I also tried to create a new folder in the Local folder tree via OE's tool. However, when I again open OE, my tree does not show the renamed folders. However, Properties of the renamed folders show large content, but the program won't recognize the messages. (1) What do I need to do to get all the folders reflected in the tree? (2) Will the recovery techniques identified elsewhere serve to recover the messages in these, as well? Thanks. You cannot rename your Inbox folder by renaming Inbox.dbx via Windows Explorer. Now, what /is/ your original problem, please? And are you running Win98?  Signature~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.org/ > Before I got the responses to my other question, and thus before I did any > reading of the provided links, I tried renaming my old Inbox to preserve [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (2) Will the recovery techniques identified elsewhere serve to recover the > messages in these, as well? <paste from your piggyback reply in someone else's thread> > I'm having a similar problem. Inbox contents disappear, altho the Show > All [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > moved huge files over, defraged, etc., problem disappeared. But now it's > back, in spite of corrective actions. Win98SE + OE6, on a dial-up (no other service available out here). The original problem turned out to be a corrupted Inbox due to too many messages. Once before, the solution was to go via WinExplorer to rename the Inbox, to force OE to create a new one. Somehow, I got that renamed one to be opened as a separate folder later, so that I didn't lose the msgs. I don't know how that miracle occured, but I wanted to duplicate it again. So in order to save my Inbox messages, I tried it again. Now I need to "fix it" so that I can recover the messages. During this attempted repair, I created a new folder via OE, and I can see it in the tree as well as in Windows/Store box folder. But some of those which I renamed outside of OE cannot be seen in the tree but can be seen in the Store box folder. Properties shows them to have significant content but they won't open up. So how can I get OE to recognize them? If I can get OE to recognize them, I can move them via OE to another folder. I'm very hesitant to backup the existing folders to a separate drive; I don't know why I'm hesitant! I think that if I do, I can then attempt a repair via some of the 3rd party tools which have been suggested. Then I can import the desired messages back. I think also I need to move the entire Store box to the other drive. Comments and instructions, please!! > You cannot rename your Inbox folder by renaming Inbox.dbx via Windows > Explorer. > Now, what /is/ your original problem, please? And are you running Win98? I'm still not sure what you've done so far but I'll give it a go. 1. Note the name of any DBX files in your message store that don't have an associated folder in OE. 2. Note the name of any OE folders that aren't displaying the expected messages. 3. Close OE. 4a. Move the DBX files you wrote down in #1 above to a desktop folder you've created to hold them (one folder per DBX file). 4b. Move the DBX files associated with any of the folders you wrote down in #2 above to other desktop folders (one folder per DBX file). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DBXtract http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality) http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 5. Run either of the above utilities on each DBX file, in turn. Any messages recovered can then be dragged to an open OE folder. General OE Caveats: - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local folders created for this purpose. - Empty Deleted Items folder daily. - Disable Background Compacting and frequently perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause such corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection. Signature~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.org/ > Win98SE + OE6, on a dial-up (no other service available out here). > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> Explorer. >> Now, what /is/ your original problem, please? And are you running Win98? > 5. ... Any messages recovered can then be dragged to an open OE folder. < I'm not clear on what to do here: Dragging, yes; "open OE folder", no. Is OE still shut down at this point? How to get "an open OE folder"? I'll digest the rest and see what I come up with. Bob > I'm still not sure what you've done so far ... < 1. Based on an earlier episode, I used WinExplor to rename the old Index.dbx to preserve it from further damage. A new Index.dbx was generated by OE. But I further tried to get the bad one renamed so that it would show up in the OE tree, where I thought I could get to the msgs and move them inside OE to other folders. I couldn't get OE to "find" the renamed dbx file. 2. Within OE, I created a new folder, thinking that OE needed this function in order to recognize something in the Store folder. While OE did recognize the new folder, I couldn't do anything to get and renamed file to show in it. So I think that I just need to DBXtract the one renamed old dbx folder, to regain the messages therein. And I need to move msgs out of my Inbox more frequently. And I've learned to disable the Compact in Background and to manually compact frequently. One thing I'm recognizing is that the stretches when something is going on, as I try to close out OE, was the automatic compacting. There was no msg that this was going on, and I always thought there was some error, which would cause an interruption. This may have caused the damage to the Inbox dbx in the first place. Bob If you're seeing Automatic Compacting, you're NOT running Win98 and you should not be posting in this Win98-specific newsgroup. You're risking bad, possibly harmful advice doing so. To keep track of things, it helps immensely if you include all of previous message(s) in your replies to the newsgroup. Thank you. SignatureOE-specific newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) >> I'm still not sure what you've done so far ... < > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Bob PA Bear, I do indeed have Win98SE. What I apparently have trouble with is the terms associated with what's going on in OE. I thought something was happening automatically, so I did as instructed and went into the options and unchecked the Compact in the Background - which is what I thought was meant by "automatic". And, on my screen here in Microsoft, I can see all the previous messages in this thread, so I didn't realize how important it was to include all those replies and >s and <s each time in each subsequent msg. Also, I have read quite a few webpages suggested by various MVPs and have done almost everything anyone suggested, including your suggestions, which have accomplished almost everything I need. One thing I discovered is that the newer extraction program DBXpress cannot be used on Win98 systems. Another thing I discovered is that many of the online tips were not clearly marked as to which OS was being discussed - since the OE version was the same (6, and there's no 6.1) However, I still would like to know about the "dragging into an open OE folder". In which program do I do this? I'm not sure what you mean by an "open OE folder", unless you mean that the OE program must be open, and then I go outside of the program to the extracted msgs in the dedicated folder on the other h/d, and use the standard drag-and-drop to bring the recovered msgs over into the OE tree and into some folder there. Or can I do all that outside of OE, just between windows of the dedicated extraction folder and the folder from the Store folders? Within OE, can I navigate to the other h/d and into the dedicated extraction folder to retrieve any msgs? (I CAN read the msgs there now - WITH the OE program, but not VIA the normal ops of OE). Going back to the "automatic compaction" idea: When I was having troubles initially, I noticed that when I closed OE, there was some serious time lag between the actual closing and when my computer was released to do other things. This is when I thought the compactions were taking place ("automatically"). I never did any manual compactions before, since I knew the background compaction was supposed to be taking place. I still don't know why the program had that lag time upon closing down. Thank you for trying to help. Please keep trying... Bob _____________________________________ > If you're seeing Automatic Compacting, you're NOT running Win98 and you > should not be posting in this Win98-specific newsgroup. You're risking bad, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > > > Bob Background Compacting and Automatic Compating aren't the same thing in the OE world. If you managed to recover some messages from a DBX file using DBXtract, configure things such that both the folder containing the extracted EML files and OE are open and displayed simultaneously on your screen and OE's Folder pane is enabled (View > Layout > Folder List). You can literally drag EML messages to one of the OE folders in the Folders pane. You can back-up and then import messages from your other HDD into your current OE identity. /Religiously/ adhere to the following caveats for best OE performance and reliability: General OE Caveats: - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local folders created for this purpose. - Empty Deleted Items folder daily. - Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm - Do not cancel Automatic Compacting, should it occur, and do not attempt to close OE via Task Manager or shutdown your machine if Automatic Compacting is taking place. - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause such corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection. Signature~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.org/ > PA Bear, > I do indeed have Win98SE. What I apparently have trouble with is the [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] >>> >>> Bob |
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