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Installing new HD on PC with WIn 98SE

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Bob Hayden - 05 Feb 2004 17:36 GMT
I've got a Dell PC (P3 800 MHz) with a 30GB HD that is bursting at the seams
(27.6 GB used) and it is running Win98SE. I have been having a lot of little
quirk software problems...mouse locks up on re-boot until I unplug and
re-plug among others.

Because of the problems, I am thinking of putting in a new 80MB HD that I
bought and switching the jumper pins so the new drive is the main and at
least temporarily not hooking up the current drive. I would then load up Win
98SE and all my critical programs, reboot and then hook up the old drive as
the slave to get all the data off of it. Upon completion, I would re-format
the old drive and use it as a data drive or back-up drive.

Is it a good idea to go about it this way and can I do it in confidence
without backing up the old drive and the gobs of data that I would need to
put on CD? I know I can copy pictures and MP3s and MS Office files to the
new drive easily, but how easy or hard is it to transfer things like Outlook
Express Mail files, data from my Epson scanner, etc.?

Thanks in advance for any and all advice.

Bob in RSM, CA
Sophie - 05 Feb 2004 19:56 GMT
> I've got a Dell PC (P3 800 MHz) with a 30GB HD that is bursting at the seams
> (27.6 GB used) and it is running Win98SE. I have been having a lot of little
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>
> Bob in RSM, CA
make sure you have a copy of your cd key because if you don't your done for
Ron Badour - 05 Feb 2004 20:30 GMT
You got a plan--that's the way I'd do it.  Once both drives are hooked
up, use Windows Explorer to transfer the data.

For information on installing W98, go to:
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html

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> I've got a Dell PC (P3 800 MHz) with a 30GB HD that is bursting at the seams
> (27.6 GB used) and it is running Win98SE. I have been having a lot of little
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>
> Bob in RSM, CA
Bob Hayden - 06 Feb 2004 16:54 GMT
Ron,

Thanks for the reassurance...tomorrow is judegement day once I am sure I
have all the Win98 and program disks together.
Which files and location do I need to copy or transfer over for Outlook
Express and how do I go about it?

And once again, if I disconnect my current hard drive now until after the
new one is installed and up and running and then I re-connect the old one as
a slave, I should have no problem accessing all the files that are currently
on it, right?

Always nervous time when I could use years of data, pics, scanned documents
and more!

Bob

> You got a plan--that's the way I'd do it.  Once both drives are hooked
> up, use Windows Explorer to transfer the data.
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> >
> > Bob in RSM, CA
Bob Hayden - 06 Feb 2004 17:41 GMT
Sheesh...
use=lose...and "judgment" and any other errors.
Bob
> Ron,
>
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> > >
> > > Bob in RSM, CA
Ron Badour - 06 Feb 2004 18:08 GMT
#1.  See the link I provided
#2   I have done this dozens of times and not a problem.  You just have
to ensure the jumper pin is set correctly on the old drive (and whatever
else is on the ribbon cable with it) and that the BIOS recognizes the
drive.

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Ron Badour, MS MVP W98 System
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http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

> Ron,
>
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> > >
> > > Bob in RSM, CA
Robert - 14 Apr 2004 01:06 GMT
Copying miscellaneous My Document files/folders and backing up iE6 Favorites is the easy part. I'm using Windows 98, and have years worth of irreplaceable downloaded programs and update files on my old HDD. I don't have CDs for them, not to mention the time to spend several days or even weeks of time it would take to back up, reinstall and troubleshoot all these programs if I did have the installation CDs. I also want to upgrade the OS on the new disk to Windows 98se. I'd like to maintain the programs and their files/folders on the new drive

Is there some method of moving (or backing up) programs and their folders from one disk to another, short of doing a complete diskcopy, and modifying the registry accordingly? Is there a software utility that automates this process

    ----- Ron Badour wrote: ----
   
    #1.  See the link I provide
    #2   I have done this dozens of times and not a problem.  You just hav
    to ensure the jumper pin is set correctly on the old drive (and whateve
    else is on the ribbon cable with it) and that the BIOS recognizes th
    drive
   
    --
    Regard
   
    Ron Badour, MS MVP W98 Syste
    Tips:  http://home.satx.rr.com/badou
    Knowledge Base Info
    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinf
   
   
    "Bob Hayden" <bobhayden@prodigy.net> wrote in messag
    news:OEPUb.19261$g32.19199@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com..
    > Ron
    >> Thanks for the reassurance...tomorrow is judegement day once I am sur
   
    > have all the Win98 and program disks together
    > Which files and location do I need to copy or transfer over fo
    Outloo
    > Express and how do I go about it
    >> And once again, if I disconnect my current hard drive now until afte
    th
    > new one is installed and up and running and then I re-connect the ol
    one a
    > a slave, I should have no problem accessing all the files that ar
    currentl
    > on it, right
    >> Always nervous time when I could use years of data, pics, scanne
    document
    > and more
    >> Bo
    >>> "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAdddress.com> wrote in messag
    > news:eJU4gbC7DHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl..
    >> You got a plan--that's the way I'd do it.  Once both drives ar
    hooke
    >> up, use Windows Explorer to transfer the data
    >>>> For information on installing W98, go to
    >> http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.htm
    >>>>>> --
    >> Regard
    >>>> Ron Badour, MS MVP W98 Syste
    >> Tips:  http://home.satx.rr.com/badou
    >> Knowledge Base Info
    >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinf
    >>>>>> "Bob Hayden" <bobhayden@prodigy.net> wrote in messag
    >> news:savUb.3916$%p5.3075@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com..
    >>> I've got a Dell PC (P3 800 MHz) with a 30GB HD that is bursting a
    th
    >> seam
    >>> (27.6 GB used) and it is running Win98SE. I have been having a lo
    o
    >> littl
    >>> quirk software problems...mouse locks up on re-boot until I unplu
    an
    >>> re-plug among others
    >>>>>> Because of the problems, I am thinking of putting in a new 80MB H
    >> that
    >>> bought and switching the jumper pins so the new drive is the mai
    an
    >> a
    >>> least temporarily not hooking up the current drive. I would the
    loa
    >> up Wi
    >>> 98SE and all my critical programs, reboot and then hook up the ol
    >> drive a
    >>> the slave to get all the data off of it. Upon completion, I woul
    >> re-forma
    >>> the old drive and use it as a data drive or back-up drive
    >>>>>> Is it a good idea to go about it this way and can I do it i
    >> confidenc
    >>> without backing up the old drive and the gobs of data that I woul
    >> need t
    >>> put on CD? I know I can copy pictures and MP3s and MS Office file
    t
    >> th
    >>> new drive easily, but how easy or hard is it to transfer thing
    lik
    >> Outloo
    >>> Express Mail files, data from my Epson scanner, etc.
    >>>>>> Thanks in advance for any and all advice.
    >>>>>> Bob in RSM, CA
Jeff Richards - 14 Apr 2004 10:32 GMT
A complete diskcopy is a perfectly effective alternative to your original
plan. It does not require subsequent registry editing. Your hard disk drive
manufacturer should have supplied a utility for this with your drive, or
possibly it's available for download from their www site.

You can't install Windows software simply by moving or copying folders. If
re-installation is not an option then the whole-disk copy option (and an OS
upgrade) is looking more attractive than ever.
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MS MVP W95/W98

> Copying miscellaneous My Document files/folders and backing up iE6 Favorites is the easy part. I'm using Windows 98, and have years worth of
irreplaceable downloaded programs and update files on my old HDD. I don't
have CDs for them, not to mention the time to spend several days or even
weeks of time it would take to back up, reinstall and troubleshoot all these
programs if I did have the installation CDs. I also want to upgrade the OS
on the new disk to Windows 98se. I'd like to maintain the programs and their
files/folders on the new drive.

> Is there some method of moving (or backing up) programs and their folders from one disk to another, short of doing a complete diskcopy, and modifying
the registry accordingly? Is there a software utility that automates this
process?

>      ----- Ron Badour wrote: -----
>
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>      >>>>>> Thanks in advance for any and all advice.
>      >>>>>> Bob in RSM, CA
MasterBlaster - 14 Apr 2004 10:44 GMT
> Copying miscellaneous My Document files/folders and backing up
> iE6 Favorites is the easy part. I'm using Windows 98, and have years
> worth of irreplaceable downloaded programs and update files on my old HDD.

> Is there some method of moving (or backing up) programs and their folders
> from one disk to another, short of doing a complete diskcopy, and modifying
> the registry accordingly?

>      ----- Ron Badour wrote: -----
>      
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>      else is on the ribbon cable with it) and that the BIOS recognizes the
>      drive.

I missed the original posts, and whatever link Ron provided, but I just did the
same thing (add another, bigger, drive) on a W95 machine.

Of course, no guarantees that this will work for you, or anyone else.   :)

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Installed and jumpered the new HD as "slave", original as "master".

Made sure I had a boot floppy with Fdisk on it.

Made sure Explorer was set to show all files, and not hide anything.

Fdisked and formatted the new drive, with "system files" copied to it.

Opened Explorer, went to C:\ and selected everything EXCEPT Windows.

Dragged the whole mess to D: and watched a million files/folders get copied over.

Created an empty Windows folder on D:

Went into C:\Windows and selected everything EXCEPT the swap file.

Dragged to D:\Windows and watched another million files/folders get copied.

Shut down the system, re-jumpered new drive as master, old as slave.

Booted up with floppy, Fdisked the new drive as "active".

Took out floppy, rebooted.

Rejoiced when it actually booted using the new bigger drive.

I'm going to leave the old drive in there untouched until we're satisfied that
nothing got munged during the procedure, then I'll wipe it clean.
Robert - 15 Apr 2004 19:56 GMT
Sounds like a plan. Sure couldn't hurt. I'll let you know how it turns out. If it works for me too, then maybe you're onto something with this procedure. Thanks

P.S
Why avoid copying the Swapfile from the original drive?
Jeff Richards - 15 Apr 2004 23:00 GMT
The swap file is permanently in use, so attempting to copy it will terminate
the copy procedure.
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> P.S.
> Why avoid copying the Swapfile from the original drive?
Robert - 30 May 2004 03:16 GMT
Thanks Jeff for the great info. Unfortunately, I couldn't try it right away because I ran into a boot failure. My motherboard suddenly stopped recognizing the keyboard. I was finally able to get it to boot by trying a USB keyboard. Turns out I had a PS/2 port failure

I have two computers that I want to try your transfer procedure on. One uses Win95 and the other Win98. I decided I want to try upgrading them both to more universally compatible OS while I'm upgrading the hard drives. I'm wondering if your procedure would also work between HDDs with different OS? (I have the retail versions of Win95 and Win98, but only an OEM version of Win98se from another system I own). If so, what files/folders from the old Windows folder should I transfer to the new Windows folder, and what should I avoid. If not, is there some other way to do what I'm attempting to do

Thanks for your assistance!
Robert - 31 May 2004 16:36 GMT
Hi Jeff

Let me clarify my 5-29-04 reply. I assume you were suggesting that I try using your method of transferring data between different OS (i.e., Win95/98 to Win98se). But, if I transfer old Windows files/folders manually after installing Win98se on the new drive (everything except the swapfile), how do I determine which files are duplicate/unnecessary, and which ones might conflict with the new OS

-Robert
 
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