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Windows Forum / Windows 98 / Setup / October 2004Can U burn bootable CD from complete 98 backup files?
I can burn bootable CD's using Nero and the Win98 startup floppy. Can you burn a bootable CD taking the contents of the Back Up files Win98 allows you to store? So in the event serious data loss you can boot up with that CD and restore the OS and files/settings/drivers from the 700MB disk. What are the absolute minimum necessary WINDOWS OS folders and files you need to include on the Back Up CD and still keep under 700MB? From the DOS promt A: how do you change drives (in DOS) to access files on the CD? Thanks TJ If you can create a bootable CD then you can boot to it to re-install Windows, but it's no different than booting from floppy. You can not re-install from a backup file. You must reinstall Windows then restore from the backup. See: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];187325 Windows 98 Recover.txt File You minimum backup set would be the root folder and \Windows, but there is no way to predict for any particular system whether or not that would be below 700Mb. For DOS, to make a different drive the current drive just type the drive letter and a colon, eg D: and press Enter.  SignatureJeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) >I can burn bootable CD's using Nero and the Win98 startup floppy. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > TJ > I can burn bootable CD's using Nero and the Win98 startup floppy. > Can you burn a bootable CD taking the contents of the Back Up files > Win98 allows you to store? So in the event serious data loss you can > boot up with that CD and restore the OS and files/settings/drivers > from the 700MB disk. What you are asking could be construde under some circumstances as software piracy so I don't think you will get much help to do that. To restore/install you need at least a legal copy of it and/or a backup from the legal copy. > What are the absolute minimum necessary WINDOWS OS folders and files > you need to include on the Back Up CD and still keep under 700MB? Why are you having trouble keeping it under 700M? All the files you need on a generic OEM Windows 98 SE disk take up less than 100M unless you are using some custom restore cd's from a hardware manufacturer. > From the DOS promt A: how do you change drives (in DOS) to access > files on the CD? assumed you booted to a floppy and it shows A:\ and the cdrom driver was loaded correctly and there is only one partition on the C drive so that the cdrom is the D drive, type in the following: D: and hit return. later, charles...... > > I can burn bootable CD's using Nero and the Win98 startup floppy. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > unless you are using some custom restore cd's from a hardware > manufacturer. I recall seeing a post sometime ago (but now can't remember where) where you could burn a bootable CD which incorporated your OS plus all your customized drivers and files to restore the system exactly before the catastrophic crash. After that all you had to do is load in your backed up data files etc and you're back in business. But if you can't boot into the complete system backup files from a bootable CD, but have to load 98 from your disk, THEN go to the restore facility, that's the end of that. Thanks anyway. TJ > > From the DOS promt A: how do you change drives (in DOS) to access > > files on the CD? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > later, > charles...... >I recall seeing a post sometime ago (but now can't remember where) >where you could burn a bootable CD which incorporated your OS plus all [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >bootable CD, but have to load 98 from your disk, THEN go to the >restore facility, that's the end of that. Thanks anyway. try this (works also w/o install just copying its folder; works if you can reach after crash at least safe mode; just needs a proper setup! Its basicaly a BackUp program-freeware, can copy & restore even sistem & hidden files in use): .... have a "sistem restore" in W98! Use Back Again !! LE program from http://www.cds-inc.com/ ... I just tried it, but I do not use it (it has a proprietary compresion algorithm worse than Zip & not compatible if using compression of data). (that compressed file if to big can be splited later for burning to CDr´s) Myself made recovery procedure: /takes only for restoring main OS only 15min or less!/ I use WinZip to back up & restore my Win98seLite installation from FD booted spare mini (12Mb!) OS (w95B) I "made" for myself years ago. If the Disk totally crashes or dies, after prepairing new disk (partitioning, making it active & bootable, formating bootable partition), I just boot the machine with WinBootFD w/CD support, insert a burned cd & start an appropriate batch file on it, which automatically copies from there a 16-bit (dos) selfextracting archive to a C:\ & than uncompresses it there as a MinWIN (that emergency mini (12Mb!) OS), asks me for inserting a new blank FD into drive to format it & copy some boot files of that mini OS onto that FD & restarts computer! Than I just find myself in a very familiar Win95osr2.1 enviroment from where I can format other partitions & unzip from reviously burned CDr the main W98 backUp, remove that FD from drive & restart the machine. ... & I´m back "in business" like nothing happened ... :-) after restoring also other user data on other partitions from backUp. [really no need for Norton Ghost or similar software] Same way using that mini OS with WinZip compressing also hidden & sistem files I do back up of my main system! it works with any OS using Fat16 or Fat32 formated drives! The same you can accomplish using some "live on CD" Linux with a posibility to write & read to same formated drives /like Mandrake LiveCD/... To back up this way NT5 OS-es I need also to save & restore MBR (for that case I use a small Dos MBRwork program included in that mini OS ... :-) This myself made "imaging" served me flawlesly thru years ! :-) But there is another way if having a spare older enough big HD (to copy all data from main disk & may take long time if having a lot of files there!) Just format it & make it bootable & insert it as a slave (jumpers!) If having in Bios set to autodetect disks & assuming you have a single partition primary disk there before, the Spare would autodetect in win like D:\ after powering again PC on. Than just copy& paste (or type) in the Run box /Open:/ from Start menu in your Win: xcopy c:\*.* d:\ /S /E /V /H /K /C /F /R /Y & hit Enter .... files will start copying from MS-Dos Prompt & wait till finishes (if having a lot of data may take time!). Than shut the PC down, disconnect the main drive (replace it with Spare or disable main one in bios), set jumper on Spare to master & tun on your machine. You should be in your Win from Spare drive; check if everything works w/o problem. If so, you have a Spare HD with your data & OS bootable there, so when you set back hardware prior to this operation & running Win from main HD again like before, just put the Spare HD in SAFE place (another room etc. like I do too!!!). This operation I made few times w/o a glitch even if some posters said that can sometimes fail using xcopy & better to use freware XXcopy (3rd party program)... But if this is too complicated for you, there are partition/disk cloning commercial programs available too (Symantec Ghost, Acronis True Image or DriveImage etc ...) ...hope I helped someone ... SignatureRegards, SPAJKY ® & visit my site @ http://www.spajky.vze.com "Tualatin OC-ed / BX-Slot1 / inaudible setup!" E-mail AntiSpam: remove ## TJ Sackville-West wrote... >I recall seeing a post sometime ago (but now can't remember where) >where you could burn a bootable CD which incorporated your OS plus all >your customized drivers and files to restore the system exactly before >the catastrophic crash. After that all you had to do is load in your >backed up data files etc and you're back in business. What you are asking is a very common backup/restore scenario common to Win98/WinME/W2K/XP/etc. First, you install your OS into a hard drive partition, usually designated as the C: drive, which maybe say, 2 GB in size. Next, you install your non-OS stuff, e.g. your database, to other partitions, say, drive D:, E:, F:, or whatever. There are many commercial backup restore programs, like Norton Ghost, PowerQuest Drive Image, or (my favorite) Acronis True Image. [part 1] You use one of these backup/restore program to backup your OS partition (i.e. your C: drive), to CR-R, or CR-RW, or a spare partition. The backup image can be splitted (by the backup program) onto more than one CD-R/CD-RW/DVD+-R/DVD+-RW. [part 2] The backup/restore program usually alloow you to create a boot image (on floppy or on CD). In case of diaster, you use the boot image to boot the computer up, then restore the C: partition with the backup image. There are some utilities, like Boot CD Wizward, which you can use to glue [part 1] and [part 2] together in a single CD or DVD. Is that want you are looking for? **************************************************** * Ham KH6JF AARS/MARS ABM6JF QCWA WW2 VET WD RADIO * * Army MARS State Coordinator for Hawaii * **************************************************** > TJ Sackville-West wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Is that want you are looking for? Yes Ghost offers the "make cd bootable" i/e as a bootup mode. I would think however you would need some kind of a dos driver external to your setup just to assign a letter to the external device (if your dealing with an external drive like my Superdisk drive, as it has to be seen for what it is an external drive that does'nt yet carry an assigned letter. I use dos drivers to fire mine up then put the whole image right back on the HD. Kokomo Joe If I discovered correctly not too long ago -- the ghost image files will truly restore OS and all only IF (that's a big if) you haven't made a drastic change in your hardware (motherboard, cpu, hard drive, etc.) from backup to restore. Otherwise all major apps including OS's need complete reinstallation. I understand there's a workaround for all this but not worth it for the occasional tinkerer. Len Miller > TJ Sackville-West wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Is that want you are looking for? >If I discovered correctly not too long ago -- the ghost image files will >truly restore OS and all only IF (that's a big if) you haven't made a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Len Miller Hi Len, It's not such a "big if..." New or different harddrives are not a problem at all. I change and upgrade all the time without requiring a fresh install. (Just be sure to use the same partition scheme for system and application files so they can find themselves after reinstallation. Most people keep them all on the C: drive, anyway, so not a problem). With the possible exception of the motherboard (especially an "All-in-one" type)... If you've changed any other hardware, you just need the new drivers handy when you reboot from the backup. Windows will generally detect the different hardware and ask for the new/update drivers if necessary. If there are any problems, boot into safe mode and remove the driver for the old hardware then have the driver(s) for the new hardware ready on reboot. Most applications don't care about what actual hardware. They talk to the OS, not the bare metal, like older DOS files used to do. (Possible exception may be some *extreme* games which need to be configured for the exact video card and its driver). I've got several bootable CD's with GHOST and PowerQuest DriveImage backups I use and despite all sorts of changes, all it ever took was the drivers for the new hardware and couple reboot cycles. Different hardware included audio, video, network, tv-tuner/mpeg, USB, and even motherboards. Of course, if you've changed half a dozen PCI and I/O devices since the last backup, be prepared to lot of rebooting and driver loading. <g> To avoid that, problem, when buying a new motherboard, I make a "generic" backup CD with only the essential hardware and all the software I use on a daily basis. Saves mucho time over fresh install, as all I have to add is whatever new stuff I added since I orginally built the box. So far, nearly a dozen machines, with many changes and upgrades over 4 years and I still havent needed a to do a fresh install from scratch. :-) Jack --- n2hqc ((AT)) earthlink ((DOT)) net CompTIA: A+ Technician, Network+, iNet+ 3-year Cancer Survivor, and still cancer-free. PGP-Key-ID: 0x08D960D3 >> TJ Sackville-West wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >> Is that want you are looking for? SignatureEmail replies to: n2hqc ((AT)) earthlink ((DOT)) net CompTIA Certifications: A+ Technician, Network+, iNet+ 3-year Cancer Survivor, and still cancer-free. URL: http://home.comcast.net/~n2hqc PGP-Key-ID: 0x08D960D3 My Ghost2002 does offer a bootable cd backup. As you say it will however prompt (query) that your restoring the image to a hd that as different partitioning in place than the original image shows, and queries if this is acceptable to you. I say what the hell ga and it does it. I/E I have 3 NEC laptops, old 486's and though one has a 300mb HD another 500mb, and 3rd one has 2.1gig hd, I can restore the same image to any of the three as long as there is no undercapacity of the HD size. Kokomo Joe **************************************************** * Ham KH6JF AARS/MARS ABM6JF QCWA WW2 VET WD RADIO * * Army MARS State Coordinator for Hawaii * **************************************************** > >If I discovered correctly not too long ago -- the ghost image files will > >truly restore OS and all only IF (that's a big if) you haven't made a [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > URL: http://home.comcast.net/~n2hqc > PGP-Key-ID: 0x08D960D3 **************************************************** * Ham KH6JF AARS/MARS ABM6JF QCWA WW2 VET WD RADIO * * Army MARS State Coordinator for Hawaii * **************************************************** > My Ghost2002 does offer a bootable cd backup. As you say it will > however prompt (query) that your restoring the image to a hd that [quoted text clipped - 116 lines] > > URL: http://home.comcast.net/~n2hqc > > PGP-Key-ID: 0x08D960D3 One final comment on all this. I find that backing up the entire os to cd-r or cd-r/w is a pain in the butt when it comes to amount of time it takes to do it with ghost and a backup device. If I use an external ZIP or Superdisk (the zip 1gig would be ideal) in lieu of cd's it really rips along on a 486 os. I assume the difference in backup speeds might be the same even if your on a Pentium 1 2 or 3. I/E the external drive bu is faster by far then burning to cd's with Ghost 2002. Kokomo Joe > One final comment on all this. I find that backing up the entire os > to cd-r or cd-r/w is a pain in the butt when it comes to amount of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with Ghost 2002. > Kokomo Joe Another solution is to add a second hard disk solely for backing up the first disk. Nowadays the drive cost almost pays for the backup software. You can also install linux as a backup system. It can back up anything in FAT32, even compress it to save space, and store anywhere you want, such as cd-r, network, what have you. Just make sure not to use NTFS if you want to backup XP (yes, my laptop linux backs up XP, it's just in FAT32 though.) I used to have linux installed in a very small partition of 120MB solely for backing up and restoring win98. Now linux takes up 6GB since I use it often, but it is still handy in backing up win98/XP which I still need, especially now that win98/XP became very lean after removing all the programs that I now have in linux. >One final comment on all this. I find that backing up the entire os >to cd-r or cd-r/w is a pain in the butt when it comes to amount of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >with Ghost 2002. > Kokomo Joe I don't mind. I'm constantly burning CD's and DVD's anyway, so 3 or 4 more every once in a while is no trouble. I only make a full set when I build a new machine or make a major change in hardware or software - perhaps 3-6 months (or longer). BTW, I will NOT use CDRW. The media is just too damn finicky. Reliable CDR media can be had for a dime a disc, so I can afford to back up to non-reusable media. My machines are all Athlon and Duron CPU's running at 1 or 1.8GHZ. (Windows 98SE and ME). The C: partitions I back up are 5GB, 7.5GB, or 10GB, but are only 25-35% full, so I'm only backing about 3GB of data at most. I use PowerQuest DriveImage 5.0 and initially save to hard drive in 650MB files. With the OS and my primary applications and using compression, it generally runs 2-4 CD size files. I can burn the CD's in 5 min each. Actually, I make 2 sets of CD's - I like to keep a separate set, in case of accident. A set of CD's is more compact and much less expensive than external drives. And accidently dropping a CD is a lot less lethal to the data than dropping a hard drive. <g> Restore isn't any problem, either. I can generally do a full restore from a CD set in under 20 minutes usually less. 73 Jack P.S. Think if we had to do it onto 1541's! <g> SignatureEmail replies to: n2hqc ((AT)) earthlink ((DOT)) net CompTIA Certifications: A+ Technician, Network+, iNet+ 3-year Cancer Survivor, and still cancer-free. URL: http://home.comcast.net/~n2hqc PGP-Key-ID: 0x08D960D3 Jack, I agree with you mostly. Just wanted it known that with all the new USB 1 and 2 features, speed i/o for images is not much of a consideration anymore, but were I to buy a new system then I would definitely get one of those 250gig (usb fed) type external HD's and blaze away. Your right about CD/R/W's !!! very finicky and iffy what takes place with those things! And yep cd-r's at their present minimal cost beats even buying floppies in the older days. Kokomo Joe **************************************************** * Ham KH6JF AARS/MARS ABM6JF QCWA WW2 VET WD RADIO * * Army MARS State Coordinator for Hawaii * **************************************************** > >One final comment on all this. I find that backing up the entire os > >to cd-r or cd-r/w is a pain in the butt when it comes to amount of [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > URL: http://home.comcast.net/~n2hqc > PGP-Key-ID: 0x08D960D3 |
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