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Windows Forum / Windows 98 / Setup / April 2005Upgrade to SE
Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but I would like to know where to acquire the SE upgrade for W98 presently installed on a laptop my daughter gave me. Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty. Perhaps you can steer me in the right direction? This is not a current MS product and MS can't supply it. Try EBay. You are looking for the full retail Windows 98 SE or the upgrade retail Windows 98 SE. Both these disks can be used to do a fresh install or an upgrade, but the upgrade disk requires proof that you have an earlier version of Windows. There will be OEM versions available, but they can't alwasys be used to do an upgrade. See http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/upgrade.html UPGRADE WITH OEM CD. There is also an update disk, which can update an existing W98 installation to W98 SE, but cannot be used to do a clean install.  SignatureJeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) > Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but I would like to know where to > acquire the SE upgrade for W98 presently installed on a laptop my daughter > gave me. > > Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty. Perhaps > you can steer me in the right direction? Thanks for the very useful enlightenment. You have put me on the right path. > This is not a current MS product and MS can't supply it. Try EBay. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty. Perhaps >> you can steer me in the right direction? A word of warning to add to Jeff's advice - laptops are notorious for not working with "standard" Windows 98 CDs and usually require a customized version of Windows 98 to work properly, if at all. There have been reports of laptops being damaged by loading the wrong Windows 98 version on them. I would approach such an upgrade with extreme caution. SignatureRichard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm > Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but I would like to know where to > acquire the SE upgrade for W98 presently installed on a laptop my daughter > gave me. > > Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty. Perhaps > you can steer me in the right direction? I feel that I need to moderate Richard's warning somewhat. I'm not saying that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly alarmist. The biggest problem with using a generic version of Windows on a laptop is that the correct drivers for the laptop will not be included and installed with Windows. Literally always, laptops require drivers that are customized for the specific system and the installation from the manufacturer will install and configure all of the hardware for your system. You can almost always download these drivers and/or updated drivers from the manufacturer of your laptop and I suggest that you check for the latest drivers for your system and Win98SE before the upgrade. If you install over Win98, it's quite likely that the Win98 drivers will work fine with Win98SE and if you're not having problems with Win98, then I strongly suggest this method on a laptop. If you are having problems and want to do a clean install, I recommend running the restore or recovery from the manufacturer to do a clean install of Win98 with all correct drivers and then install Win98SE over this. That said, it would be wise to check the manufacturer's web site to see if there are special considerations for upgrading. If there are any known problems with an upgrade over the shipped version of Windows, the manufacturer will probably have that information on their web site. I have a fair amount of experience with this and have never heard of a laptop being damaged by loading the wrong Windows version on it. That's not to say that it couldn't happen, but I'm not aware of it. PattyL > Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but I would like to know where to > acquire the SE upgrade for W98 presently installed on a laptop my daughter > gave me. > > Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty. Perhaps > you can steer me in the right direction? OK. Your reply has cleared up some of the fog in my head. A casual acquaintance had warned me about drivers and such if I pursued the upgrade route but did not go into specifics, and I couldn't grasp the concept. Now I understand thanks to you. By the way the laptop is an IBM 390E. >I feel that I need to moderate Richard's warning somewhat. I'm not saying >that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly alarmist. The [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty. Perhaps >> you can steer me in the right direction? Glad that cleared up some confusion. Do check out the IBM support site to see if they have drivers specific for SE for your model computer. IBM Thinkpads had a real tough time upgrading from 95 to 98 because of some proprietary software that IBM preinstalled with Win95, but they posted information and files on their support site that automated the process of removing their software that did not function with Win98 and also caused Win98 not to function. If there is a problem or anything required to upgrade your system from Win98 to Win98SE, I am quite confident that they will have it posted. You can start here: http://www.ibm.com/support/us/ PattyL > OK. Your reply has cleared up some of the fog in my head. A casual > acquaintance had warned me about drivers and such if I pursued the upgrade [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>> Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty. >>> Perhaps you can steer me in the right direction? Ask Lee Chappell about the dead laptop. :-) Newer laptops are much easier to deal with as they generally contain popular and known chipsets. Laptops from the Win95/Win98 era often used specially-designed chipsets or standard chipsets that had been heavily modified for portable use. That said, I like your ideas about driver support and upgrading - in most cases that should mitigate or eliminate most of the real danger involved. SignatureRichard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm >I feel that I need to moderate Richard's warning somewhat. I'm not saying >that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly alarmist. Ask Bill Starbuck about his IBM laptop "upgrade" experience and the physical damage it caused :-) SignatureRegards Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo > Ask Lee Chappell about the dead laptop. :-) > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>I feel that I need to moderate Richard's warning somewhat. I'm not saying >>that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly alarmist. Was it Bill? Sorry, faulty RAM chips; I thought it was Lee who'd done that. :-( SignatureRichard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > Ask Bill Starbuck about his IBM laptop "upgrade" experience and the > physical damage it caused :-) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>>saying that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly >>>alarmist. Lee's claim to "fame" was flashing a BIOS on a machine that was not running off from an UPS and there was a power failure. Oops, can you say: It don't boot!!! <G> SignatureRegards Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo > Was it Bill? Sorry, faulty RAM chips; I thought it was Lee who'd done > that. :-( [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>>saying that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly >>>>alarmist. Ah yes - right idea, wrong catastrophe. ;-) SignatureRichard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > Lee's claim to "fame" was flashing a BIOS on a machine that was not > running off from an UPS and there was a power failure. Oops, can you say: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>>>>saying that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly >>>>>alarmist. I'll have to do that. I hadn't heard. Was this a laptop from the Win95 era? If so, I find this a much more likely scenario. > Ask Bill Starbuck about his IBM laptop "upgrade" experience and the > physical damage it caused :-) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>>saying that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly >>>alarmist. It may have been Patty--I heard about it several years ago. The only thing I specifically recall is that Bill used a retail version of W98 and that it caused physical damage to the IBM laptop. SignatureRegards Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo > I'll have to do that. I hadn't heard. Was this a laptop from the Win95 > era? If so, I find this a much more likely scenario. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>>saying that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly >>>>alarmist. Agreed. I definitely do suggest checking with the computer manufacturer before upgrading the OS on a laptop. They should be giving a clear warning if there is a problem. I also am aware that some IBM laptops from 1995 (possibly 1998 as well) needed BIOS upgrades before upgrading the OS. They posted this info on their web site. Unfortunately, too many of us attempt the upgrade, then when something goes wrong, say oops, I should have checked. <g> PattyL > Ask Lee Chappell about the dead laptop. :-) > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>I feel that I need to moderate Richard's warning somewhat. I'm not saying >>that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly alarmist. |
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