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everyman - 12 Oct 2005 00:03 GMT

Anyone else installed win98SE after using Bootitng to partition their
drive?

Install appeared to freeze at opening "welcome" screen-perpetual
hourglass, waited about 5 minutes.

Then see that it created an error on the C drive (when installing
from cab files on slave drive) to which scandisk reported
"misreported free space on drive c:"

Fixing the error with scandisk changed the name of the slave drive
install partition to "NO NAME" and gave me an error with BING saying
I had to use type 5 extended parition for that drive. What the F**k?

I knew I would have trouble with windows. It always causes problems.
If it weren't for MS monopoly on third party software, I wouldn't
touch anything from MS.

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Ron Badour - 12 Oct 2005 01:23 GMT

I and many of the regulars here have been using BING for years. Suggest you
visit the web site: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html and if
you can't find an answer, email David at:

support@terabyteunlimited.com

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Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
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http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

> Anyone else installed win98SE after using Bootitng to partition their
> drive?
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> If it weren't for MS monopoly on third party software, I wouldn't
> touch anything from MS.

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everyman - 12 Oct 2005 02:40 GMT

I appreciate the suggestion, but can anyone respond more
specifically to the substance of my OP? If you and others have
been using it for years, what is the procedure for installing
win98 on it's own primary partition from install cab files on
another drive? Is it necessary to have dos installed on the
install partition prior to installing win98? I received no error
messages only a hang on the opening screen. WHen I checked the c:
drive I found that several install files had been installed, but
apparently the install stalled since I waited about 5 minutes for
the hourglass to proceed and nothing. No error messages either.
It almost appear as if win98 is trying to access the mbr that bing
has altered and is having trouble with the bing embr. So if you've
been using both for years, seems to me they should be able to answer
the substance of the post, but maybe not.

> I and many of the regulars here have been using BING for years.
> Suggest you visit the web site:
> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html and if you can't
> find an answer, email David at:
>
> support@terabyteunlimited.com

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Gary S. Terhune - 12 Oct 2005 04:31 GMT

It's not BING and it's not Windows. It's almost certainly your hardware.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Test your drives and RAM, etc.,
thoroughly. Use floppy-boot drive test apps, like IBM's Drive Fitness Test,
and DocMemory from www.sysinternals.com

BIOS settings, IDE arrangement (which drives are on which cables) and jumper
settings may also be involved.

Alternatively, you could move those installation files to the C:\ drive,
just to get the slave drive out of the way. Run SYS C: from the Startup
floppy, then reboot and at the C:>\ prompt, locate and run Setup.

Just how did you partition the drive with BING (and why use BING in the
first place? I want to hear your answer rather than guess.) I trust BING
more than almost any other app to give real information about drives. Your
use of Scandisk may have been what messed it up, but that would still be
more likely due to problems with the hardware. Plus, you're talking about
the Slave drive. Did you partition that using BING? Is it possible that a
drive overlay like EZ Drive is involved?

When it comes down to it, you've provided very scant information about the
whole situation.

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MS MVP Shell/User

> I appreciate the suggestion, but can anyone respond more
> specifically to the substance of my OP? If you and others have
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> >
> > support@terabyteunlimited.com

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everyman - 15 Oct 2005 21:32 GMT

> It's not BING and it's not Windows. It's almost certainly your
> hardware. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Test your drives
> and RAM, etc., thoroughly. Use floppy-boot drive test apps, like IBM's
> Drive Fitness Test, and DocMemory from www.sysinternals.com

It is not BING. It is windows. Thanks for your suggestions.

> BIOS settings, IDE arrangement (which drives are on which cables) and
> jumper settings may also be involved.
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> Startup floppy, then reboot and at the C:>\ prompt, locate and run
> Setup.

Better to use another drive or partition, so when winsh*t screws up I
can nuke the partition without having to worry about it screwing up even
more.

> Just how did you partition the drive with BING (and why use BING in
> the first place? I want to hear your answer rather than guess.) I
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> using BING? Is it possible that a drive overlay like EZ Drive is
> involved?

Bing has proven so far to be very good. The only criticism I have with
it is that it's documentation is hard to understand and incomplete. But
they do have an excellent support group. Bing is being used to boot
several OS's from different partitions and to obviate the need to allow
windows to screw with the rest of the drive(s).

> When it comes down to it, you've provided very scant information about
> the whole situation.

Problem already solved, thanks for your reply.

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Ron Badour - 12 Oct 2005 04:42 GMT

When W98 was my primary system, I did not install it as you did. Instead, I
used a floppy start up disk and the W98 CD and never had any problems.

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Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
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http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

>I appreciate the suggestion, but can anyone respond more
> specifically to the substance of my OP? If you and others have
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>>
>> support@terabyteunlimited.com

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everyman - 15 Oct 2005 21:33 GMT

> When W98 was my primary system, I did not install it as you did.
> Instead, I used a floppy start up disk and the W98 CD and never had
> any problems.

Your right, that is ok way to do it. Also do not use emm386 or other mem
managers, winshit will choke on them.

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Lil' Dave - 12 Oct 2005 02:44 GMT

Did you use BING to partition the entire hard drive, or just the first
partition?

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everyman - 15 Oct 2005 21:35 GMT

I apologize for suspecting BING. It was winshit. I have several
partitions on both drives in order to multiboot different os's and to
isolate winshit so it can cause the least amount of trouble.

"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in news:#hVT1btzFHA.3588
@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:

> Did you use BING to partition the entire hard drive, or just the first
> partition?
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>> If it weren't for MS monopoly on third party software, I wouldn't
>> touch anything from MS.

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Lil' Dave - 16 Oct 2005 10:15 GMT

Hmm. Never answered my question. Have a reason for the question that may
relate to a solution. Oh well, guess you're not interest in that.
Maybe Gary and Ron will tolerate your responses. Count me out. Later.

> I apologize for suspecting BING. It was winshit. I have several
> partitions on both drives in order to multiboot different os's and to
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> >> If it weren't for MS monopoly on third party software, I wouldn't
> >> touch anything from MS.

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