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Windows Forum / Windows 98 / Setup / October 2005reinstalling 98se???
gigabyte socket A MB ga-7zxe amd 950 duron 2 newer cd drive-1 burner agp 32 meg video card onboard sound Had some major problems I couldn't correct plus system was really loaded down so---. Reformatted a 40gig HD. format c: /s When I start to reload WIN98se, the system hangs at " Windows 98 setup" screen (setup is preparing the win98 setup wizard-----). The first time I tried to reload it hung at ~ 32%. Push reset button and now it's hung at ~ 5 % and floppy light is solid green. Any suggestions please, PS Before posting, tried again and changed the win98 cd to the other cd player. Locked up at 13% with no lights on. Should I replace the "newer" cd player with an older 24x I have and try it? What I'd try is to boot to the floppy Startup disk, with CDROM support, and run the following (assumes your CDROM drive is E:\. Edit if necessary.) Press <Enter> at the end of each line. Pay attention to spaces and punctuation. c: md WIN98 e: cd win98 copy *.* c:\win98 That will put all the necessary files onto your hard drive. It will also tell you if the problem is not being able to read files from the CD. If you get errors, then you should try replacing the drive. But it may also be due to the CD itself being scratched or otherwise damaged. If scratches are suspected, wipe the CD with a soft cloth using radial strokes (from the center of the CD to the outer edge) not in a circular motion. Also, I've seen good results from using car wax to polish the CD surface (the side opposite the label.) Lastly, if the label side is scratched deeply, the CD may simply be worthless now. That's the side the data actually resides on. If the Copy operation goes well, then remove the floppy disk and reboot. At the C:\ prompt, type: md win98 setup If you still have problems, then report back with details.  SignatureGary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User > gigabyte socket A MB ga-7zxe > amd 950 duron [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > player. Locked up at 13% with no lights on. > Should I replace the "newer" cd player with an older 24x I have and try it? Thanks for the info. We're going out of town this week-end but will try when I get back Sunday/Monday. Just didn't want you to think I forgot. Do I need to run fdisk before/after formatting? L. > What I'd try is to boot to the floppy Startup disk, with CDROM support, > and [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >> Should I replace the "newer" cd player with an older 24x I have and try > it? FDISK sets up partitions. Once partitions are set up, you format them. Then you can use them. Sounds to me like you've no need for FDISK. Believe me, if there are problems with your partitioning or boot records, you usually get error messages early on. But if there's nothing on your system that you need to keep, using FDISK to delete all partitions and then recreate what you need is a good idea. You'd do well to use more than one partition. 8GB (maximum) for the system partition (C:\) and then others for data storage. My typical arrangement is 8GB for C:\, 2-4 GB for D:\ which I reserve for TEMP and Temporary Internet Files (TIF) and other temp uses, then divvy up the rest for personal documents (like My Documents and Outlook Express stores, etc.) still using the 8GB limit for efficiency. Larger partitions can be created for multimedia files and downloaded stuff like AV installation files, etc. If you post back and tell us what your primary usage is (what you mostly use the machine for), I can suggest ways to go about it. Unless you want to multi-boot (have more than one operating system on the machines that you can switch between) you should only create C:\ as a Primary Partition. The rest of the drive is then used to create an Extended Partition, and then that Extended Partition is divvied up into Volumes (D:\, E:\, F:\, etc.) I can also tell you how to move TEMP, TIF, My Documents, etc., and you'll also do well to immediately change the CD drive(s) letter(s) to way down the alphabet, like X:\ and Y:\ (there's good reasons for it) and then use REGEDIT to make the few necessary changes to accommodate that move. Getting volatile data (TEMP and TIF) out of C:\ will help improve reliability immensely. Getting personal documents out of C:\ will make it easier to repair or replace the Windows installation in the future, and still retain your personal files. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User > Thanks for the info. > We're going out of town this week-end but will try when I get back [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > >> Should I replace the "newer" cd player with an older 24x I have and try > > it? Fdisk is only run to create or delete partitions. If you are satisfied with your existing partitions, do not run fdisk. For information on installing W98, go to: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html SignatureRegards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo > Thanks for the info. > We're going out of town this week-end but will try when I get back [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >>> Should I replace the "newer" cd player with an older 24x I have and try >> it? This older system is used primarily for back up storage for my main system AND, just in case, our systems goes down. My wifes system blew a power supply last month and this old one filled in real nice for a couple of days. What I've been doing lately is "playing" with it. I had a 16 meg video card(AGP) that went out, replaced it with an old 8 meg PCI card I had in a "supply box" until I got a replacement(32 meg AGP I took out of my wifes system and installed a new 64 meg card in her system). Now I can't get the system to stay "on" unless I leave the PCI card in a slot but I plug the monitor into the AGP Nvidia card. If I go into BOIS at startup, the monitor stays on but as soon as I try to go further, it shuts down. A friend says I have a bad AGP slot but why would it stay on during startup and BIOS screen? I set BIOS to "fail safe" setting. That's one thing that started the reformat/reload. Now it's all messed up but I can't see getting rid of the system. SO, it's a tool to learn on and man am I learning, more patience than anything, but also a good standby/backup. L. > Fdisk is only run to create or delete partitions. If you are satisfied > with your existing partitions, do not run fdisk. For information on [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] >>>> Should I replace the "newer" cd player with an older 24x I have and try >>> it? Seems I'm not the only one with an install problem dealing with a GA-7zx. Found another entry dated yesterday from Herman. > This older system is used primarily for back up storage for my main system > AND, just in case, our systems goes down. My wifes system blew a power [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] >>>>> try >>>> it? Well, I have to say that FailSafe settings in BIOS are seldom correct. And I'm not really the person you need to tell you how to set up BIOS correctly and to diagnose the video issue -- at least not right now. Just can't seem to wrap my brain around it. Need sleep... Anyway, you should probably concentrate on those issues at the moment and use my copy-files-to-HDD method to simplify things. When it comes down to it, you can easily resize, move and create/delete partitions without using FDISK and without destroying data -- that is, it can be done after the fact using a tool like BootIt NG. But in your shoes, I'd probably FDISK the thing for now, saying Yes to the large-disk support option, delete the existing partition, reboot, go back and then create an 8 GB Primary Partition (8192MB) to install Win98 to. Leave the rest for later, when you're certain you have a viable system and settings are right. Nothing like installing Windows to make you get those things adjusted properly. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User > Seems I'm not the only one with an install problem dealing with a GA-7zx. > Found another entry dated yesterday from Herman. [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > >>>>> try > >>>> it? Again, thanks for the info. Getting ready to take off so will follow suggestions when we get back Monday and let you know what happens. Something to think about, is there a way to reset BIOS and anything else back to "factory" settings? I've got a feeling everything is messed up, BIOS, DRIVERS, etc.etc.etc. and I'm trying to learn to start everything over. IOW- should I do anything else before trying to reload Win98se? Have a good week-end and set some sleep!! > Well, I have to say that FailSafe settings in BIOS are seldom correct. And > I'm not really the person you need to tell you how to set up BIOS [quoted text clipped - 142 lines] >> >>>>> try >> >>>> it? I've got the manual for that mobo in front of me and it's surprisingly detailed. Will make a list of settings I *think* should be set, and then we'll go through them. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User > Again, thanks for the info. > Getting ready to take off so will follow suggestions when we get back Monday [quoted text clipped - 154 lines] > >> >>>>> try > >> >>>> it? Good AM. Followed your above instructions. c: md WIN98 e: cd win98 copy *.* c:\win98 Stopped 1/2 way through d/l so started again using different cd(F)overwrite and it appears everything loaded OK. When I removed floppy and reboot, get the following msg. "Invalid system disk Replace the disk, & press any key" When I press any key, I get the following msg: "search for ----. 1. Boot from hard disk. 2. Boot from CD-ROM" If I select #1., and get to c:\> and type setup, get error msg. "bad command or file name" help,,,,,, > I've got the manual for that mobo in front of me and it's surprisingly > detailed. Will make a list of settings I *think* should be set, and then [quoted text clipped - 189 lines] >> >> >>>>> try >> >> >>>> it? > Good AM. > Followed your above instructions. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > 1. Boot from hard disk. > 2. Boot from CD-ROM" It's your botched BIOS settings, specifically the Boot Order. I usually make it: 1. Floppy drive 2. CDROM 3. HDD0 But, just for the installation, you could change it to HDD0 first. > If I select #1., and get to c:\> and type setup, get error msg. > "bad command or file name" Well, I don't believe I said to type Setup at the C:\ prompt. You have to change to the directory where you copied the installation files to, using the CD command (Change Directory.) But I *did* get the commands wrong -- i mistakenly wrote MD instead of CD. So here they are again. At the C:\ prompt, run the following *two* commands: cd win98 setup Of course, with your BIOS settings in need of review, the installation may not go well. Perhaps now is the time to review your BIOS settings. How about you go through and write them all down for me? There are utilities out there that will copy them to a text file, run from a bootable floppy, even, but I'm not familiar enough with them to say for sure, and all that would probably take just as much time or more. Once I see what you have, I can ask questions about your hardware and we'll see if we can't get into relatively decent shape. I know I said I was going to write down a list for you, but I'm swamped with work (that had been held up by a string of SNAFUs until Friday evening) and getting ready to travel next weekend, be gone maybe a week (more work.) I just haven't had the time to work up the list. Easier for me to comment on your list, <s>. Just tell me what the settings are now. I can see what the options are from the manual. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User Update. I thought everything copied to c:\ drive BUT I found that the install stopped at precopy2 cab. When I typed setup, received error msg, something about high mem. flashed on screen over and over and over. Replaced the "newer" 56x cd-rom with the original 24x that came with system(told you I had a "box of supplies" :-) and removed the cd-rw drive. Will copy any and/or all setting in BIOS. Do you want everything catagory? Boot order in "BIOS Features Setup" is as follows: floppy IDE-0 cdrom Another item. When system first comes on it runs through mem test, not normal, and then a 'wait" shows up for almost a minute. This is not "normal" either. "Normal" is not testing mem(262144KB) and finding drives real fast. >> Good AM. >> Followed your above instructions. [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > now. > I can see what the options are from the manual. You can look at the files themselves using the DIR command. Do this: Boot to the floppy Startup disk, note what your CD drive letter is (I'll assume it's E), put in the Win98 CD, then run the following commands: e: cd win98 dir /p The /p part makes it scroll one screen at a time. You press any key to continue to the next screen. Since most of the files are named WIN98_xx.CAB, it's easy to make a list of the files if you want. Ignore Directory entries, and note how many files there are. Then do the same procedure using C: instead of E: and then compare them. Have you tried cleaning the CD according to my previous suggestions? SignatureGary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User > Update. > I thought everything copied to c:\ drive BUT I found that the install [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > now. > > I can see what the options are from the manual. Cleaned Cd as instructed. Here's where I left off, at home now so will have to start again tomorrow. The system is down to bare bones. One 24x cd-rom, 40 gig HD, 8 meg video Matrox PCI card, no modem, network card, etc. on-board sound. Started to reload files and stopped 1/2 through load. BIOS settings: STANDARD CMOS SETUP Time and date OK. Primary Master: auto(let system find HD) Pri. slave: not installed Sec. Master: cdrom BIOS 1. floppy 2. cdrom 3. ide-0 Floppy Drive Search: Enable Bootup Num. Lock: On Password check: setup HDD S.M.A.R.T. Cap.: Disable Interrupt Mode: PIC CHIPSET Top Performance: Disabled Dram Freq.: 100Mhz Sdram cas# lat.: 3 AGP Fastwrite: Disabled " Mode: 4x " Comp. Drive: Auto Manual AGP Comp. Driving: DB AGP aperture Size: 64MB PCI Delay Transaction: Enable USB Controller: All USB Port " Legacy Support: Disable " Port 64/60 Emulattor: Disable BIOS Flash Protection: Auto Dram Drive Strength: Auto NID Bus strength: high cas bus strength: high Delay DRAM read latch: 1.0ns Mem. data drive: 8ma Sdram command drive: 24ma cas# drive: 24ma ras# drive: 12mz (forgot) : 24ma Hope this helps.... Sec. slave: not installed > You can look at the files themselves using the DIR command. Do this: > [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] >> > now. >> > I can see what the options are from the manual. > Cleaned Cd as instructed. > Here's where I left off, at home now so will have to start again tomorrow. > The system is down to bare bones. > One 24x cd-rom, 40 gig HD, 8 meg video Matrox PCI card, no modem, network > card, etc. on-board sound. > Started to reload files and stopped 1/2 through load. Take that disk to a running Windows system and see if you can copy the files to the hard drive, then make a new CD from them. I suspect, however, that the disk is FUBAR. Then again, maybe the disk is OK and there's something wrong with the system. I doubt it, but you never know... Remember, you want all of the *files* in the WIN98 folder. The sub-directories are useless crap. > BIOS settings: > > STANDARD CMOS SETUP > Time and date OK. > Primary Master: auto(let system find HD) Good! Always best to leave IDE detection set to Auto. > Pri. slave: not installed > Sec. Master: cdrom OK, but make sure, *one_more_time* that the drives are jumpered and cabled correctly. Another issue might be CS (Cable Select) which determines Master/Slave based upon which connector on the ribbon cable they're plugged into. But CS requires a fully rigged cable, and many OEM cables are not up to the task. See here for the long explanation: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS-c.html I'll comment inline, below. If I have no comment, I figure the item is probably set correctly. > BIOS > 1. floppy > 2. cdrom > 3. ide-0 > Floppy Drive Search: Enable Floppy Drive Search is not usually required. Best to uncheck it. > Bootup Num. Lock: On > Password check: setup > HDD S.M.A.R.T. Cap.: Disable > Interrupt Mode: PIC I see no mention of a Boot Sector Virus Check here. If there is one, make sure it's disabled. > CHIPSET > Top Performance: Disabled [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > " Legacy Support: Disable > " Port 64/60 Emulattor: Disable I assume you aren't using USB mouse or keyboard. If you are, you need to enable the Legacy Support. > BIOS Flash Protection: Auto > Dram Drive Strength: Auto [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ras# drive: 12mz > (forgot) : 24ma Leave those alone at present, though you might later want to get a utility that will positively identify your RAM and determine what settings are best. One that same note, how much RAM is installed and in what configuration? If you can, leave only one stick in Slot 1. But you'll need at least 32MB to do the install, preferably 64MB. OK, that's the easy half. What happened to the PNP/PCI Configuration page? And Integrated Preipherals? SignatureGary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User See bolow.. ***** ***** >> Cleaned Cd as instructed. >> Here's where I left off, at home now so will have to start again [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Remember, you want all of the *files* in the WIN98 folder. The > sub-directories are useless crap. ***************** I have two win98se cd's. 1. OEM version. 2. Full version. Have been working with the OEM version since I've used it a couple of times in past when I lost a HD. ***************** >> BIOS settings: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > to the task. See here for the long explanation: > http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS-c.html ****************** haven't messed with the HD. primary cable master. The cd is set for master, NOT cs and on the secondary cable. ****************** > I'll comment inline, below. If I have no comment, I figure the item is > probably set correctly. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > do > the install, preferably 64MB. *************** Have two sticks, each 128 in slots 1 & 2. *************** > OK, that's the easy half. What happened to the PNP/PCI Configuration page? > And Integrated Preipherals? ********************* I had to copy each section, write it down and then retype into e-mail. I'll get the rest tomorrow. ********************* > ***************** > I have two win98se cd's. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ***************** And both of them fail during the Copy routine? That's not a good sign. > ****************** > haven't messed with the HD. primary cable master. > The cd is set for master, NOT cs and on the secondary cable. > ****************** Have you tried different cables? > > One that same note, how much RAM is installed and in what configuration? > > If [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Have two sticks, each 128 in slots 1 & 2. > *************** Yank the second one out for the install. > > OK, that's the easy half. What happened to the PNP/PCI Configuration page? > > And Integrated Preipherals? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'll get the rest tomorrow. > ********************* <Smile>, I figured it was something like that. Just yankin' your chain, <s>. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User Actually I've only been working with the OEM version. Will set BIOS to your recommendations and try the other version PLUS I'll start coping more of the settings and post tomorrow. :-) Thanks for your help, >> ***************** >> I have two win98se cd's. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > <Smile>, I figured it was something like that. Just yankin' your chain, > <s>. > OK, that's the easy half. What happened to the PNP/PCI Configuration page? > And Integrated Preipherals? Here goes. PNP/PCI CONFIG. PNP OS installed: no Reset config. data: no VA boot from: agp PCI vga palette snoop: Disable PCI slot 1/5 IRQ Pri.: auto " " 2 " " : auto " " 3 " " : auto " " 4 " " : auto IRQ 3: PCI/Pnp 4: " 5: " 7: " 9: " 10: " 11: " 14: " 15: " INTEGRATED PERIF. Enhanced ATAPI perf.: Disable On board IDE: both IDE1 cond. cable: auto IDE2 cond. cable: auto onboard FDC: auto onboard serial porta: auto onboard serail portb: auto serial portb mode: normal duplex mode: n/a onboard parallel port: auto parallel port mode; ECP parallel port IRQ: auto parallel port DMA: auto ac97 audio: auto onboard legacy audio: enable soundblaster: disable sb i/o base address: 220h-22fh sb irq select: 5 sb dma select: 1 mpu-401 : disable mpu-401 i/o address: 330h-333h fm port (388h-38bh): disable game port(200h-207h): enable Now I have another problem. Came in this morning, turned on system with floppy in. selected start with cdrom support and the system is freezing at: This driver is provided by Oak Tech., Inc. OTI-91x ATAPI cd=rom devise driver Rev. D9wv352 copyright-----.... Device name :OEMCD001 (this is where it stopping) I've tried 3 different cd-roms and switched cables. and checked master/slave switches. >> Cleaned Cd as instructed. >> Here's where I left off, at home now so will have to start again [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > OK, that's the easy half. What happened to the PNP/PCI Configuration page? > And Integrated Preipherals? > > OK, that's the easy half. What happened to the PNP/PCI Configuration page? > > And Integrated Preipherals? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > PNP OS installed: no OK for now, though you might change it to Yes later on. > Reset config. data: no I'd try changking this to Yes. It's a one-off setting that gets executed during the next startup, causing BIOS to fully redetect and recinfigure devices. It will say No the next time you look. > VA boot from: agp IIRC, you're now using a PCI video adapter. Change this to PCI. > PCI vga palette snoop: Disable > PCI slot 1/5 IRQ Pri.: auto [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 14: " > 15: " I don't want to get involved in micro-managing IRQs, and it shouldn't be necessary if you've stripped the system to minimums and disabled onboard sound (see below.) > INTEGRATED PERIF. > > Enhanced ATAPI perf.: Disable Might try enabling this, as it directly affects the CD drive and you're having trouble with that. I'd try it, anyway. > On board IDE: both > IDE1 cond. cable: auto [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > ac97 audio: auto > onboard legacy audio: enable I'd disable audio until you get Windows installed. > soundblaster: disable > sb i/o base address: 220h-22fh [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > fm port (388h-38bh): disable > game port(200h-207h): enable I'd also disable the game controller until Windows has been installed. > Now I have another problem. > Came in this morning, turned on system with floppy in. selected start with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I've tried 3 different cd-roms and switched cables. and checked master/slave > switches. Well, if it's not due to a corrupt floppy disk, it unfortunately sounds like you may have a broken motherboard. Do you have any bootable CDs? If you have access to a CD burner, you can make your own bootable CD version of the Windows Startup disk. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User Ok, now I've about had it. Can't even get into BIOS, nothing. Power on and the unit just sits there with the red light on(usually when HD is running), green light not on(power) and monitor showing nothing.. I'm going to turn unit off, disconnect power and then pull battery to reset BIOS. Someone else also suggested a bad MB so I may be fighting an uphill battle. >> > OK, that's the easy half. What happened to the PNP/PCI Configuration > page? [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > access to a CD burner, you can make your own bootable CD version of the > Windows Startup disk. Sounds like it. I've got my main machine sitting here on the floor, getting in my way, that did the same thing several weeks back. Probably because I did something to break it (quit working after I plugged in another HD to recover data. Decided to clean out some dust while I was at it. Wouldn't boot up, and from there it only got worse. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User > Ok, now I've about had it. > Can't even get into BIOS, nothing. [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > > access to a CD burner, you can make your own bootable CD version of the > > Windows Startup disk. Pulled everything off the MB except the video card and HD. Still no go. I even replaced the 40gig HD with a good 20gig, again my supply box, and still nothing. Can't get it to do anything.>@>#>@!>!>!!!!! Ready to mess with it a while longer then I'll "can it". > Sounds like it. I've got my main machine sitting here on the floor, > getting [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] >> > access to a CD burner, you can make your own bootable CD version of the >> > Windows Startup disk. Good luck! SignatureGary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User > Pulled everything off the MB except the video card and HD. Still no go. > I even replaced the 40gig HD with a good 20gig, again my supply box, and > still nothing. > Can't get it to do anything.>@>#>@!>!>!!!!! > > Ready to mess with it a while longer then I'll "can it". If "it" keeps it up, "it'll" need the luck!!!! I have a big hammer..... Thanks for all your help, L. > Good luck! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Ready to mess with it a while longer then I'll "can it". Final update. Having a new system built. Even the company that builds my "stuff" couldn't find out what's wrong w/o spending a lot of time. For an older 950m system, not worth it. Better off spending that $$$ on a new tower. Thanks to all for suggestion and esp. Gary. > If "it" keeps it up, "it'll" need the luck!!!! > I have a big hammer..... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>> >>> Ready to mess with it a while longer then I'll "can it". You're welcome. Enjoy your new system. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User > Final update. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >>> > >>> Ready to mess with it a while longer then I'll "can it". |
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