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charles bridges - 18 Oct 2005 21:24 GMT

Can someone tell me how to set the boot sequence on an IBM 300PL running
windows 98SE. It has 2 hard drives and is trying to boot to the one that has
nothing on it. I can unplug it and it will boot up and work on the other
one.

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Gary S. Terhune - 18 Oct 2005 22:24 GMT

You need to check your cabling and jumpers on those drives. The BIOS boot
sequence is probably OK, telling the system to boot to HDD0. Normally, HDD0
is the Master drive on the Primary IDE connector. You apparently have your
empty drive connected as Primary Master, and the drive you want to use
connected as Primary Slave. When you remove the Master, the Slave becomes
HDD0.

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> Can someone tell me how to set the boot sequence on an IBM 300PL running
> windows 98SE. It has 2 hard drives and is trying to boot to the one that has
> nothing on it. I can unplug it and it will boot up and work on the other
> one.

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charles bridges - 19 Oct 2005 22:07 GMT

> You need to check your cabling and jumpers on those drives. The BIOS boot
> sequence is probably OK, telling the system to boot to HDD0. Normally, HDD0
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> has
> > nothing on it. I can unplug it and it will boot up and work on the other

OK you are right, it is set to boot HDDO master, HDD1 slave. HDDO is the
drive that has windows on it. HDD0 is jumpered for master. HDD1 is ( I
think) jumpered for slave. It is hard to tell by what is marked on this
HDD. HDD0 is very obvious the way it is marked.>

Both HDD's are on the same cable. Which one should be on the end of the
cable?

I'm sure these questions are elementary to you guys, but I have just started
to learn a little about computers.

Thanks for all the help.
Charles >

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Gary S. Terhune - 19 Oct 2005 22:59 GMT

Cable position only matters if the drives are set to Cable Select (CS) and
the cable is properly wired. Many OEM/Whitebox cables are not up to the
task, and Master/Slave is generally preferred. That said, the Master goes on
the middle connector, the slave at the end.

Check the jumpers again, and if you have a make.model spec for the slave
drive, I can try to locate better info.

Does the master happen to have different settings depending on whether it's
a "Master with no slave present" or "Single", as opposed to "Master with
Slave Present"? Many drives are like that.

Addendum: That is supposed to be HDD{zero}, not HDD{oh}.

Jus to make sure -- when both drives are plugged in it tries to boot to the
Slave drive? If that is truly the case, then all I can think of is jumper
issues, or cable position if using CS.

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> OK you are right, it is set to boot HDDO master, HDD1 slave. HDDO is the
> drive that has windows on it. HDD0 is jumpered for master. HDD1 is ( I
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> Thanks for all the help.
> Charles >

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Ron Badour - 20 Oct 2005 00:52 GMT

> Cable position only matters if the drives are set to Cable Select (CS) and
> the cable is properly wired. Many OEM/Whitebox cables are not up to the
> task, and Master/Slave is generally preferred. That said, the Master goes
> on
> the middle connector, the slave at the end.

Hi Gary,

If you are talking cable select, the master is the end connector and slave
is in the middle.

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Gary S. Terhune - 20 Oct 2005 01:57 GMT

You're right. Regular brain-fart, that was. Blame it on learning SBS.

Sorry, Charles! I got it backwards.

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> > Cable position only matters if the drives are set to Cable Select (CS) and
> > the cable is properly wired. Many OEM/Whitebox cables are not up to the
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> If you are talking cable select, the master is the end connector and slave
> is in the middle.

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charles bridges - 20 Oct 2005 03:25 GMT

> You're right. Regular brain-fart, that was. Blame it on learning SBS.
>
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> > If you are talking cable select, the master is the end connector and slave
> > is in the middle.

09n0876 IBM FRU 36L8677.
The jumper diagram is pretty obvious and I think it is set right.

The slave is a 10 GB MAXTOR. Model 91024U3.
The jumper diagram is not as clear on it, but it looks like it should be
jumped J50 to be used as a master. Looks like no jumpers are needed to use
it for a slave or siingle.

I have had them master in the middle, slave on end. Slave in the middle,
master on the end and always get the same results if both are connected.
Disconnect the 10 GB and the 6.4 will work on the end or in the middle.

How would I know if they are set cable select(cs)?
The cables are grey with a red line.

Thanks
Charles

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Gary S. Terhune - 20 Oct 2005 04:10 GMT

> Both drives are MAXTOR'S. The master is a 6.4 GB and has an IBM P/N
> 09n0876 IBM FRU 36L8677.
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> How would I know if they are set cable select(cs)?
> The cables are grey with a red line.

Well it sure sounds strange. I can only surmise that the 6.4GB drive is for
some reason not up to the task of being a Master. When it is forced to
perform this function, it fails. Or...

Have you tried a different cable?

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glee - 20 Oct 2005 04:54 GMT

>Both drives are MAXTOR'S. The master is a 6.4 GB and has an IBM P/N
> 09n0876 IBM FRU 36L8677.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> How would I know if they are set cable select(cs)?
> The cables are grey with a red line.

Yes, that Maxtor uses no jumpers installed for Slave:
http://www.maxtor.com/_files/maxtor/en_us/documentation/jumper_settings/style_a1.htm
The jumper shown in the 'Slave' picture, is hung in what is called the 'storage
position'....using those pins does nothing but store the jumper.

Cable Select is another jumper position, and requires that you use a CS compatible
cable.....don't bother with it on this system.

It appears that you Maxtor does not want to be slaved to the older IBM drive. Try
using a second cable connected between the Secondary Controller on the motherboard
and the Maxtor drive, set as Master. That way both the hard drives are Master, and
not sharing a cable or controller with each other.

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Gary S. Terhune - 20 Oct 2005 16:56 GMT

> It appears that you Maxtor does not want to be slaved to the older IBM drive. Try
> using a second cable connected between the Secondary Controller on the motherboard
> and the Maxtor drive, set as Master. That way both the hard drives are Master, and
> not sharing a cable or controller with each other.

Interesting question: Is the IBM drive not up to handling it's duties as a
Master, or is it the Maxtor not wanting to submit to the IBM?

Either way, using the Secondary channel is so obvious that I forgot to
mention it, <sg> ;<)
Thanks!

Only issue is if there's a CD/DVD burner present on the Secondary that
doesn't like being a Slave, either.

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Jeff Richards - 23 Oct 2005 05:50 GMT

In BIOS setup, make sure that Primary IDE is set as the first boot device.
If the first boot device is simply "Hard Disk" then access the option to
confirm exactly which hard disk it refers to.

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>
>> You're right. Regular brain-fart, that was. Blame it on learning SBS.
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> Thanks
> Charles

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Franc Zabkar - 22 Oct 2005 07:22 GMT

>> You need to check your cabling and jumpers on those drives. The BIOS boot
>> sequence is probably OK, telling the system to boot to HDD0. Normally,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> > nothing on it. I can unplug it and it will boot up and work on the
>other

>OK you are right, it is set to boot HDDO master, HDD1 slave. HDDO is the
>drive that has windows on it. HDD0 is jumpered for master. HDD1 is ( I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Both HDD's are on the same cable. Which one should be on the end of the
>cable?

If the drives are jumpered for master and slave, then their position
on the cable is unimportant. If OTOH they are jumpered for CS, then
their position on a "cable select" cable will determine their
master/slave status.

A cable is a CS cable if pin 28 is missing from one of the drive
connectors. The connector with the missing pin is for the slave, the
other is for the master. If yours is not a CS cable, then you can turn
it into one by carefully cutting through conductor #28 somewhere
between the middle connector and the end connector (see Fig 1). In
this case the slave attaches to the end of the cable, the master to
the middle. Another way of achieving this is to disassemble the middle
connector, lift out pin #28, and reclamp the connector in a vice (see
Fig 2). In this case middle is slave, end is master. When reclamping,
reposition the connector to one side of its original location. BTW I'm
assuming yours is a 40-pin cable.

Slave Master Motherboard
___ ___ ___
| |______________| |_____________| | 40
| |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_____________| | 28
| | | | | | Fig 1
| | | | | |
| |______________| |_____________| | 1
| | | | | |
--- --- ---

Master Slave Motherboard
___ ___ ___
| |______________| |_____________| | 40
| |______________|x|_____________| | 28
| | | | | | Fig 2
| | | | | |
| |______________| |_____________| | 1
| | | | | |
--- --- ---

>I'm sure these questions are elementary to you guys, but I have just started
>to learn a little about computers.
>
>Thanks for all the help.
>Charles >

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Gary S. Terhune - 23 Oct 2005 01:12 GMT

Your description, that CS cables are missing pin 28 on the end, makes me
wonder what happens to Master/Slave organization if they're jumpered for
Master/Slave but are using a CS cable. Would the missing pin cause
weirdness, especially if the Master drive was put at the end?

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> >> You need to check your cabling and jumpers on those drives. The BIOS boot
> >> sequence is probably OK, telling the system to boot to HDD0. Normally,
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>
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Franc Zabkar - 23 Oct 2005 21:51 GMT

>Your description, that CS cables are missing pin 28 on the end, makes me
>wonder what happens to Master/Slave organization if they're jumpered for
>Master/Slave but are using a CS cable. Would the missing pin cause
>weirdness, especially if the Master drive was put at the end?

The CS pin is shorted to ground at the motherboard end. Any drive that
is jumpered for CS mode will check whether its own CS signal has been
pulled to ground by the interface. If it is grounded, then the HD
configures itself as the master. If not, then it becomes the slave. If
the HD is jumpered for Master or Slave, then it ignores the status of
its CS pin.

There are two ways to disconnect a HD from pin 28. Either cut the
conductor from the cable, or remove the pin from the connector. The
slave connector in the 80-pin cable you are probably using does not
have this pin. That's one reason for the colour coding.

AFAICS, the only potential for weird behaviour would be if the drive
in a single drive system were connected to the middle of the cable.
This would leave an unterminated stub at the end. I haven't witnessed
any actual problems with this setup, but it's possible that signal
reflections may lead to data errors, especially on faster drives using
an 80-pin cable.

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glee - 24 Oct 2005 05:44 GMT

80-pin connector? That's a new one on me.
Are you sure you don't mean 40-pin, 80-wire connector, Franc?

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> >Your description, that CS cables are missing pin 28 on the end, makes me
> >wonder what happens to Master/Slave organization if they're jumpered for
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Franc Zabkar - 24 Oct 2005 07:11 GMT

>80-pin connector? That's a new one on me.
>Are you sure you don't mean 40-pin, 80-wire connector, Franc?

Damn, I hate it when that happens. :-)

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charles bridges - 24 Oct 2005 13:51 GMT

Hey Guys
Both HDD are now working, and working together. I wish I could say for sure
just what corrected the problem.
Disconnected both IDE cables at both ends and reconnected. Removed jumpers
and put them back on the master and left them off the slave. Checked
start sequence and it booted right up.
Must have been a bad connection somewhere or the jumper on the slave was
wrong. I thought it was on spare pins, but now I wonder.
Thanks for all your help.
charles

> > You need to check your cabling and jumpers on those drives. The BIOS boot
> > sequence is probably OK, telling the system to boot to HDD0. Normally,
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Thanks for all the help.
> Charles >

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glee - 24 Oct 2005 21:05 GMT

Glad to hear it, as I am sure are all the rest of the responders.
When in doubt, go back and do it all over! :-)

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> Hey Guys
> Both HDD are now working, and working together. I wish I could say for sure
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> > Thanks for all the help.
> > Charles >

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Gary S. Terhune - 24 Oct 2005 21:23 GMT

Wish that would work with my board, :<(

Instead, every time I "do it over" it comes up deader than last time.

Glad you got it working, Charles!

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> Glad to hear it, as I am sure are all the rest of the responders.
> When in doubt, go back and do it all over! :-)
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
> > > Thanks for all the help.
> > > Charles >

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Franc Zabkar - 22 Oct 2005 07:22 GMT

>Can someone tell me how to set the boot sequence on an IBM 300PL running
>windows 98SE. It has 2 hard drives and is trying to boot to the one that has
>nothing on it. I can unplug it and it will boot up and work on the other
>one.

At the DOS prompt type ...

fdisk /status

Do you see Disk 1 and Disk 2?

What do you see when you disconnect each drive?

This small DOS utility may provide some useful info:
http://www.infoatec.it/download/findat10.zip

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