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Windows Forum / Windows 98 / Setup / February 2006Passwords
I'll see if I can sneak in here without the angry guy noticing. How can you "get at" passwords. It seems that the only way to set a password is if you already know what is currently set. If you forget your password or, as in my case, have a password that seemed merely showed up at install, and you don't know what it is, it seems a lost cause. Being the only person in the house I don't need any passwords at all, but Win98 seems to get very upset if I try to set up anything without a password. Is there no way around all this? Jim L  SignaturePoliticians want to know all about security measures. That they don't understand the "need to know" principle proves they should not know. What password are you referring to? A password to log onto Windows, or something else? How to Prevent a Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me Logon Prompt at Startup: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=152104 No Windows or Network Logon Dialog Box at Startup http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=141858 SignatureGlen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > I'll see if I can sneak in here without the angry guy noticing. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jim L "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> said: >http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=152104 Yes. That helps. Password Properties demands SOME kind of password. A blank is refused. The logoff procedure allows a no password entry. (system author confusion) >What password are you referring to? A password to log onto Windows, or >something else? First it is a general question about, as I said, getting at passwords some way other than the UI. But at this moment the system keeps telling me I'm not logged onto networking and networking is not accessable. It gives the procedure from MS for logging onto the network, but it still says I'm not logged on and the network is not accessable. (Actually I have never seen any place to really logon to the network.) If logging on this way doesn't get me logged on, then something must be wrong in password land. (I suppose the angry guy will complain that I haven't used the proper buzz words.) Jim L SignaturePoliticians want to know all about security measures. That they don't understand the "need to know" principle proves they should not know. What exactly is the logoff procedure that requires a password? How do you get to this procedure? Network logon occurs automatically when you log on to Windows. You should have a user set up on the machine with a user name and password that matches the user name and password set up on the network server. That way, logging on to Windows also logs you on to the network. Bypassing Windows logon means that you won't be logged on to the network. You can search the www for utilities that reveal passwords recorded for your machine, but I suspect that's not necessary for what you are trying to do. SignatureJeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> said: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Jim L "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> said: >What exactly is the logoff procedure that requires a password? How do >you get to this procedure? You asking me? Click Start. >Network logon occurs automatically when you log on to Windows. That was what I thought before this. >You should have a user set up on the machine with a user name and >password that matches the user name and I've already had this network running fine. And without a single password. All (one) users had the same access. The point about logon may have been a misunderstanding. It may have been referring to the other computer not being logged on. But as it is I can't even get the network to see the machine it's on (Network Neighborhood -> Entire Network -> Inaccessable). (I'm talking to a network NG about that, so the angry guy doesn't need to get additional ulcers.) Jim L SignaturePoliticians: Their lips move too much. Clicking the start button does not require a password in a normal Windows 98 system. If it does for you, there is something seriously weird going on. It sounds like you were entering a username without a password. You have to re-establish this user. See here under *SETTING A BLANK PASSWORD for deleting all users so you can create a new one. http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/tips_r_-_z.html SignatureJeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> said: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Jim L I think he is talking about the "log off" option. I seem to remember there being one before I removed mine. To the OP - you don't have to log off. That option is there so that you can reboot with another user profle should you wish to do so. dadiOH ___________ > Clicking the start button does not require a password in a normal > Windows 98 system. If it does for you, there is something seriously [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> -- >> Politicians: Their lips move too much. "dadiOH" <dadiOH@wherever.com> said: >I think he is talking about the "log off" option. In answer to his question, yes. >To the OP - you don't have to log off. That option is there so that >you can reboot with another user profle should you wish to do so. I'm not concerned about logging off, rather logging on - without a password. Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of OS/2 SignaturePoliticians: Their lips move too much. > "dadiOH" <dadiOH@wherever.com> said: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm not concerned about logging off, rather logging on - without a > password. In that case... 1. control panel 2. network neighborhood 3. change what's in "Primary Network Logon" to "Windows Logon" and OK your way out. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> said: >Clicking the start button does not require a password in a normal >Windows 98 system. If it does for you, there is something seriously >weird going on. You asked: >>What exactly is the logoff procedure that requires a password? How do >>you get to this procedure? Clicking the Start button gets you to the Logoff. I didn't say it "requires a password." Those are your words. There are those who say entering a blank here makes your network password a blank. Either way, Microsoft's procedure requires that you know the existing password. My original post asked about when you DON'T know it. Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of OS/2 SignaturePoliticians: Their lips move too much. > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> said: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Either way, Microsoft's procedure requires that you know the existing > password. My original post asked about when you DON'T know it. Read again the article I linked earlier: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=152104 Skip numbers 4, 5, and 6, and continue with the rest of the procedures, including renaming all the .pwl files, then reboot. When the Windows log-on box appears, type in a user name (the same one you had used before if you recall it), leave the password box blank, click OK, confrm the blank password, and click OK. SignatureGlen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> said: > When the Windows log-on box appears, type >in a user name (the same one you had used before if you recall it), It ALWAYS comes up with the user (operator) name filled in. >leave the password box blank, click OK, confrm the blank password, and >click OK. There is no confirm. Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of OS/2 SignaturePoliticians: Their lips move too much. Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password established, go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the password in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine is ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in the .pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted the .pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user name only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have Tweak UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear last user." SignatureRegards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> said: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of OS/2 > I'll see if I can sneak in here without the angry guy noticing. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > at all, but Win98 seems to get very upset if I try to set up anything > without a password. Is there no way around all this? Something like Revelation... http://www.snadboy.com/ SignaturedadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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