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Windows Forum / Windows 98 / Setup / June 2006Multi-Boot windows system
Hi, I'm trying to setup a Dell Optiplex GX520, to multi-boot Windows98, 2000, XP pro. I found the knowledgebase entry on microsoft's website, for setting this up. I made 3 partitions. First one is FAT32, and the other two are NTFS. When I try to install the first OS(Win98) on the first partition, I run through the install process. After the first reboot, and then it finishes up installing the OS, it gets to 16%-Installing Plug and play devices, and it locks up. I can't seem to get past this. - Frank It's a Dell - what did you expect? :) I very much suspect that there's hardware in the G520 which is just not compatible with WIn98 - but there's also likely to be a problem with the vcache if you have more than 512MB of RAM installed If you do have more than 512MB RAM, then the easiest thing to do is remove the excess until you've finished loading Win98, and then modify the system.ini [vcache] section with the line MaxFileCache=512000 , save it, shut down, add the rest of the RAM, and carry back on.... If you have more than 1GB, you may need to modify the [386Enh] section with the entry MaxPhysPage=40000 also OTOH, it's probably easier to use VPC, and install Win98 under that on XP and/orWin2K, and then you can have both 98 and the other OS running at the same time :)  SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > - Frank Thank you for your response. The PC has exactly 512MB of RAM in it. Should I still try to use less than that? The user I am setting the PC up for, specifically requested not to run the OS's virtually. - Frank > It's a Dell - what did you expect? :) > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > > - Frank I doubt that the ram is the problem as W98 has never had a problem with 512 mb. The Dell you are installing W98 on appears to be fairly new and the hardware is probably too advanced for W98. You can try pulling all cards but the video card and see if that will allow setup to complete. If it does, you can install one card at a time and see what is hanging the system. For general info, I tried to multiboot a new Dell for a client about two years ago and there were no W98 drivers available for the hardware so she had to settle for XP. SignatureRegards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo > Thank you for your response. > The PC has exactly 512MB of RAM in it. Should I still try to use less than [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> > >> > - Frank Thanks, Ron - I thought I had responded to this thread yesterday, but it seems that CRS is getting the better of me (or MS's servers are glitching again?) SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >I doubt that the ram is the problem as W98 has never had a problem with 512 >mb. The Dell you are installing W98 on appears to be fairly new and the [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] >>> > >>> > - Frank Hi Noel, No CRS on your part--you responded the same day I did and there appears to be something going on. In Gen-Discussion, I replied twice to 98 guy in the thread: A farewell to Memphis. Neither post is showing here. I am going to try it again this morning and see what happens. SignatureRegards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo > Thanks, Ron - I thought I had responded to this thread yesterday, but it > seems that CRS is getting the better of me (or MS's servers are glitching > again?) > Hi Noel, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > seems that CRS is getting the better of me (or MS's servers are glitching > > again?) Ron, There are no additional cards that I can remove. Here is a copy of the original hardware configuration. Hope this helps. 1 5120P CORD, POWER, 125V, 6FT, SPT2, UNSHIELDED 1 P9506 ASSEMBLY, COMPACT DISK READ WRITE/DIGITAL VIDEO DISK DRIVE COMBO, 24X, TOSHIBA SAMSUNG STORAGE TECHNOLOGY, MATRIX CYPHER SMALL FORM FACTOR 1 CC280 DISPLAY, FLAT PANEL DISPLAY, 17, 1707FPT, BLACK, DELL AMERICAS ORGANIZATION 1 FK812 KIT, SOFTWARE, OVERPACK, WXPPSP2C, COMPACT DISKETTE W/DOCUMENTATION, ENGLAND/ENGLISH 1 YH061 PROCESSOR, 80547, PENTIUM 4 PRESCOTT DT, 630, 3.0, LGA, R0 1 Y9628 INSTRUCTION, DEVIATE-TO-MCSF-L5.5 1 C8639 KIT, MOUSE, UNIVERSAL SERIAL BUS, 2BTN, OPTICAL, LEAD FREE, LOG 1 J4628 KEYBOARD, 104, UNIVERSAL SERIAL BUS, UNITED STATES, ENTRY, LEAD FREE, LITEON 1 F6761 DUAL IN-LINE MEMORY MODULE, 512, 533M, 64X64, 8, 240, 1RX8 1 P9566 ASSEMBLY, FLOPPY DRIVE, 1.44, BEZEL, SONY, MATRIX CYPHER SMALL FORM FACTOR 1 YF439 HARD DRIVE, 160G, S2, 7.2K, 9G, 3.5, WD-HAWK 1 WH304 KIT, DOCUMENTATON ON FLOPPY DISK, SOFTWARE, POWERDVD, 5.7 > I doubt that the ram is the problem as W98 has never had a problem with 512 > mb. The Dell you are installing W98 on appears to be fairly new and the [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > >> > > >> > - Frank Ah - that may be the problem!! - I think your Hard drive is a Western Digital 160GB SATA2 device - you will certainly have to have the motherboard (and drive?) set to use IDE Mode (although I would have thought that if it wasn't already set that way that you would not have got that far!) SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Ron, > [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] >> >> > >> >> > - Frank I changed the option in BIOS for the SATA HDD, to run in Combination mode(for use with older operating systems). I could not find any setting for the actual motherboard SATA options. I tried to install 98 again, and had the same issue. Should I try turning off onboard devices(NIC, sound) in the BIOS? > Ah - that may be the problem!! - I think your Hard drive is a Western > Digital 160GB SATA2 device - you will certainly have to have the motherboard [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > >> >> > > >> >> > - Frank NIC is one that often causes problems - so that may be a good one to kill Sound?? - can't do any harm to turn it off SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >I changed the option in BIOS for the SATA HDD, to run in Combination >mode(for [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - Frank I turned everything off that I could, and still no luck. Any more ideas. > NIC is one that often causes problems - so that may be a good one to kill > Sound?? - can't do any harm to turn it off [quoted text clipped - 127 lines] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > - Frank I really think you'd be better off asking in Dell's support groups, where someone with detailed knowledge of Dell's practices may be able to assist. The only thread that I can find there referencing GX520 and Win 98SE is also unresolved - and has similar problems to yours http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=sw_win98&message. id=48478&query.id=106531#M48478 This does appear to be a problem with the implementation of the SATA system on the motherboard.... see http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=oplex_other&messa ge.id=20546&query.id=106604#M20546 I assume you don't have a partition manager installed which may be getting in the way?? SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >I turned everything off that I could, and still no luck. Any more ideas. > [quoted text clipped - 148 lines] >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > - Frank Try here: Windows 98/Me Setup Hangs During Plug and Play Hardware Detection http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;194721&spid=1139&sid=312 How to Troubleshoot Computer Hangs During Hardware Detection http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;262381&spid=1139&sid=312 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/w98?sid=312 John > I turned everything off that I could, and still no luck. Any more ideas. > [quoted text clipped - 129 lines] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>- Frank Thanks, JJ - but I'm not sure how a clean install can do that (per 194721)...and I'm not sure (been a Looooonnnggg time!) whether msconfig, etc are available at that point of an install SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Try here: > [quoted text clipped - 142 lines] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>- Frank Yeah, that resolution will not working that early in the win98 install. I contacted Dell about the issue. They said that this model computer was never tested with the Win98 OS, and that they can not give support for the install of it. The last thing I think I can try, is turning off the on-board video card, and try to use a PCI video card. Unless you have any other suggestions. If not, thank you for all your help anyway. > Thanks, JJ > - but I'm not sure how a clean install can do that (per 194721)...and I'm [quoted text clipped - 147 lines] > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>- Frank You might not be able to boot to Safe-Mode or use msconfig but after the first boot the .ini files referred in the articles are on the drive and they can be edited in a DOS session. I think like Noel said that the hardware is simply too new for Windows 98 to properly recognize an use it. Time to let go of Windows 98 I think... John > Yeah, that resolution will not working that early in the win98 install. > [quoted text clipped - 155 lines] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>- Frank John, This is what I see when I try to edit the System.ini file. [boot] oefonts.fon=vgaoem.fon shell=Explorer.exe system.drv=system.drv drivers=mmsystem.dll user.exe=user.exe gdi.exe=gdi.exe sound.drv=mmsound.drv dibeng.drv=dibeng.dll comm.drv=comm.drv mouse.drv=mouse.drv keyboard.drv=keyboard.drv I don't see anthing that says "Display.drv=pnp.drv" > You might not be able to boot to Safe-Mode or use msconfig but after the > first boot the .ini files referred in the articles are on the drive and [quoted text clipped - 164 lines] > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>- Frank You can take a look at the log files and see if anything there can help. John > John, > [quoted text clipped - 183 lines] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>- Frank I had the same problem starting a couple of years ago--W98 would not work with the new hardware on a Dell and there were no W98 drivers available. If you really need W98, there is a MS program called VirtualPC. You install VirtualPC into XP and then install W98 in VirtualPC--that is what I am using on my Dell with XP Multimedia. The way it works is when everything is installed, you boot XP, start VirtualPC and then boot W98. W98 and XP work at the same time and you can switch back and forth. SignatureRegards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo > Yeah, that resolution will not working that early in the win98 install. > [quoted text clipped - 181 lines] >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>- Frank Try running setup again and when it hangs, turn the computer off for several seconds, then back on. If this doesn't help, try restarting in Safe mode by tapping the F8 key during bootup. Ben > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Frank |
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