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Windows Forum / Windows 98 / Setup / June 2008reinstalling Windows 98
Hello, i have problem with Windows 98,while entering in Windows,in the moment when i put the password to enter in Win, it stucks,the password is ok,everything is ok,but imidietly after that,i see the mouse cursor,but stucked. I have important programs installed in it,which i cannot find on internet,they are licnced,i have also important data,so i cannot afford of loosing any of them because i`1ll have to buy them again. My question is, if i reinstall Windows 98 without formatiing,will i loose something from the data and the programs? i`m also not sure how to reinstall without formatiing,i have bootable Win 98 CD,but i was working with XP all the time,so i`m not sure if its same way Win98 and XP. thank you very much in advance Reinstalling "over the top" of an existing installation is not recommended except in a last-resort effort to get back into your system and get your personal data out in preparation for a full format and reinstall. An "over the top" installation usually leaves a system functioning (but not always), but it leaves it functioning poorly due to mismatched system files. You have lots of system files that are newer than the ones Setup installs, and while there are some protections against this, they aren't many. As for your applications (programs) that you can't find on the internet, you really need to develop a strategy to replace them. Your Windows 98 box is going to go completely bad some day, those programs are almost certainly NOT recoverable, and you'd be foolish not to prepare for that day. But lets see if we can't figure out what's wrong with your system. First, can you boot to Safe Mode? In order to boot to Safe Mode, there are a few ways. Try this first: Start or restart the system, and immediately begin to repeatedly press the Ctrl or the F8 key (either one). Don't hold the key down, as that will produce an error. Just repeatedly tap the chosen key about once per second or slightly more often. This should bring up a Startup Menu, where you can choose Safe Mode. Or, some people use the F5 key in the same way, only it immediately boots to Safe Mode, bypassing the Startup Menu. Different methods work better for different people and on different machines. If you can't get into Safe Mode, post back for more intricate solutions. Otherwise, once you get into Safe Mode, go to Start>Run and type in MSCONFIG, then press <enter>. When the panel comes up, choose Selective Startup, then uncheck the bottom item, "Load Startup group items". Next, click on the Advanced button at lower right and in that panel, check the item called "Enable Startup Menu". That will make it easier to get into whatever modes we may need to get into until this is fixed. Click OK, then click OK again on the main panel, then restart when prompted. When the Startup Menu comes up, choose Normal Mode. (Note that to be safe, you should physically disconnect your internet connection at some place between the wall and your computer. All your background protective applications have been turned off.) Did that let the system start up? Or not? (Note that this is just the first step in diagnostics. Don't try to use the system as it is.)  SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com > Hello, i have problem with Windows 98,while entering in Windows,in the > moment [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Win98 and XP. > thank you very much in advance > Reinstalling "over the top" of an existing installation is not recommended > except in a last-resort effort to get back into your system and get your [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Did that let the system start up? Or not? (Note that this is just the first > step in diagnostics. Don't try to use the system as it is.) As far as i noticed,the problem happened when i tried to install drivers, when i was trying to install the audio driver,after the restart,it gave me some error message,i dont remember which,something about some stacks i think? and i was searching for the problem online and i read that its the driver,as i thought,so i went in safe mode and uninstalled the driver,after that restart,the computer started doing this,after the password request,it was making the "updating system settings" and stuck... So now its not even making the "updating system settings",just stuck after the password request... was this history of the happenings helpfull? Very helpful, so here's more for you to do. Please describe the audio drivers installer you used in detail. Name, size, and if you have one, a download link. Why did you decide to update the drivers? Was something wrong? Is it an audio card or is the audio onboard the motherboard? If it's a card, please provide make & model. If it's onboard, do you know the motherboard make/model? Or if it's a major brand-name machine, what is the make/model ("HP 5735" would be an example)? Please do the following: At the Startup Menu, choose Command Prompt Only. When you get the prompt, run SCANREG /RESTORE. It will offer you up to five Registry backups. Choose the backup you want to restore based upon Date, not filename. While I doubt that there was any backup made after all this problem started, you might want to go back a couple of days to be sure. See if it will now start in either Normal or Safe Mode. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com >> Reinstalling "over the top" of an existing installation is not >> recommended [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > the password request... > was this history of the happenings helpfull? Like this, this computer had only win98 before,but it had problem with the motnerboard,and some technitian changed the motherboard and i guess some other parts (i dont know that history) and added one more hard disk drive,for Win XP,so they installed XP on that one,which never worked,all the time restarting,even after reinstalling it few times,but for not thats not problem because i dont have anything important on it. So,after that i had to find the drivers for that motherboard and its components,so the motherboard brand is ECS, Elitegroup.The model is P6SET-ML,and the sound card is integrated. I guess i didnt understood well,how can i enter in Command Prompt Only when i cannot enter in Windows? > Very helpful, so here's more for you to do. > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > the password request... > > was this history of the happenings helpfull? To get to "Command Prompt Only", follow the instructions I already gave you in my first reply for getting to the Startup Menu using F8 or Ctrl key. "Safe Mode" is one option, "Command Prompt Only" is another. You do NOT want "Safe Mode Command Prompt Only". For drivers for that motherboard, did you go here? http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Downloads/ProductsDetail_Download.aspx?detailid =100&DetailName=Driver&DetailDesc=P6SET-ML%20%20(V1.4)&CategoryID=1&MenuID=82&La nID=0 (If that link doesn't work, use this one: http://tinyurl.com/5632pr) SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com > Like this, this computer had only win98 before,but it had problem with the > motnerboard,and some technitian changed the motherboard and i guess some [quoted text clipped - 122 lines] >> > the password request... >> > was this history of the happenings helpfull? Note: DO NOT keep trying different Registry backups. You will go through all the possible backups you have, and each Restore creates a new backup that pushes the oldest one off into the abyss. If the one backup doesn't work, it is doubtful another will, but we don't want to lose all our options. Again, only try a SCANREG /RESTORE once. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com >> Reinstalling "over the top" of an existing installation is not >> recommended [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > the password request... > was this history of the happenings helpfull? How can i describe how happy i am...how can i repay you... now it enters in windows,it gives some message like "error loading EGACCESS 4_1069.dll, the system cannot find the file specified",but thats from before,i guess from some start up program... and the XP keeps restarting,but i should ask on diferent forum for that? Thank you sooo much... Gary...no words can say how calm i am now... > Note: DO NOT keep trying different Registry backups. You will go through all > the possible backups you have, and each Restore creates a new backup that [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > the password request... > > was this history of the happenings helpfull? This is from restoring a Registry backup? That error is probably from the mess that was left behind by the audio drivers package. You can either live with it or try to fix it. I asked other questions in that regard. Yes, please ask questions about Windows XP in a Windows XP newsgroup. But I don't understand your dual-boot system. Can't quite picture it. Is your Windows XP on a separate hard drive? Do you *always* get a choice menu when your system boots up? If so, you had extremely good luck getting to the Startup Menu. If you don't have a choice menu (XP or 98) at startup, how do you switch? SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com > How can i describe how happy i am...how can i repay you... > now it enters in windows,it gives some message like "error loading [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] >> > the password request... >> > was this history of the happenings helpfull? yes,that was from the Registry backup,the OS`s are on separate hard drives,and i always have the option to choose which to use on start up.why i had extremly luck about the start menu? > This is from restoring a Registry backup? > [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] > >> > the password request... > >> > was this history of the happenings helpfull? Nevermind, I reread your posts and it makes sense. However, you still have an audio drivers issue. Did you check the link I sent you? (The failed/botched install of drivers is probably where the error comes from.) SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com > yes,that was from the Registry backup,the OS`s are on separate hard > drives,and i always have the option to choose which to use on start up.why [quoted text clipped - 145 lines] >> >> > the password request... >> >> > was this history of the happenings helpfull? Yes,i checked the link with drivers,and that was helpfull,exept something about the audio drivers,in device manager i see everything ok,exept some "windigo Virtual Audio Device" is that problem with the sound drivers? i installed that drivers.... > Nevermind, I reread your posts and it makes sense. However, you still have > an audio drivers issue. Did you check the link I sent you? (The [quoted text clipped - 149 lines] > >> >> > the password request... > >> >> > was this history of the happenings helpfull? There was apparently a problem installing the WDM device. You can try going into it's Properties and disabling it, restart and see if the error goes away. I'm not completely sure what the device does but I think it's primarily used for games. See if you can get along without it, test things out, and if not, I guess you'll have to reinstall the drivers. But you might want to read my article, first, "Clean Boot --- What it is and why you need it." http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com > Yes,i checked the link with drivers,and that was helpfull,exept something > about the audio drivers,in device manager i see everything ok,exept some [quoted text clipped - 187 lines] >> >> >> > the password request... >> >> >> > was this history of the happenings helpfull? Well anyway,thank you very much again for helping me,about that driver i dont worry,because its not important to me,the main thing i ok,thats all that matters...i`ll read the ling you send me later, thank you very,very,very much..... > There was apparently a problem installing the WDM device. You can try going > into it's Properties and disabling it, restart and see if the error goes [quoted text clipped - 196 lines] > >> >> >> > the password request... > >> >> >> > was this history of the happenings helpfull? You're welcome. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com > Well anyway,thank you very much again for helping me,about that driver i > dont [quoted text clipped - 236 lines] >> >> >> >> > the password request... >> >> >> >> > was this history of the happenings helpfull? This is from restoring a Registry backup? That error is probably from the mess that was left behind by the audio drivers package. You can either live with it or try to fix it. I asked other questions in that regard. Yes, please ask questions about Windows XP in a Windows XP newsgroup. But I don't understand your dual-boot system. Can't quite picture it. Is your Windows XP on a separate hard drive? Do you *always* get a choice menu when your system boots up? If so, you had extremely good luck getting to the Startup Menu. If you don't have a choice menu (XP or 98) at startup, how do you switch? SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com > How can i describe how happy i am...how can i repay you... > now it enters in windows,it gives some message like "error loading [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] >> > the password request... >> > was this history of the happenings helpfull? |
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