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pamelakok@aol.com - 19 Apr 2004 15:21 GMT probably a stupid ????? I bought this comp from an indiv and it seemed ok i started looking at set up and there is nothing really on it when i try to apply certain items it asks for the disk i do not have .... i am alse missing a few main file aol.exe for one is there any thing i can do ..i am new to this thanks for any answers you can give pam
Ron Badour - 19 Apr 2004 15:26 GMT Ask the person for the Windows CD--it should have come with the PC and you really need it. There is a possibility the files may be on the hard drive--do a find on: Win98_24.cab and if found, note its location. Then when the system needs a file, point it to that location.
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> probably a stupid ????? I bought this comp from an indiv > and it seemed ok i started looking at set up and there is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > can do ..i am new to this thanks for any answers you > can give pam The Saint - 19 Apr 2004 16:46 GMT Ron,
I also have no Win 98 CD, but I have the Win98 Cabs in C:\Win98. Within \Win98 folder are two other folders: OLS and Tour. OLS contains folders for aol, at&t and csi.
My question: If I were someday to format the hard drive, can I reinstall the os from these Cab files? I have backed up the folders in a cd-rw disk. Do I just click on the setup.exe file on the cd-rw and reinstall, after booting up from a boot disk?
I'm relatively new to computers and I would appreciate some pointers from you and others on this. I'm right now reading your "Backup and Restore Windows" page.
Thanks for you guys do on these threads.
John
>Ask the person for the Windows CD--it should have come with the PC and you >really need it. There is a possibility the files may be on the hard >drive--do a find on: Win98_24.cab and if found, note its >location. Then when the system needs a file, point it to that location. http://www.vdare.com
Hugh Candlin - 19 Apr 2004 17:10 GMT > Ron, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > My question: If I were someday to format the hard drive, can I > reinstall the os from these Cab files? No. No way. The FORMAT program will clobber everything on the C partition. Those CAB files will no longer exist.
> I have backed up the folders in a cd-rw disk. Good. That's a different story.
> Do I just click on the setup.exe file on the cd-rw and > reinstall, after booting up from a boot disk? You could do that, but it would be better and faster to copy the CDRW back to the hard drive. Most people use C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS but C:\WIN98 will work just fine, as would C:\CABS. You will in fact find such a folder name a little faster to get to when you have to change an install to point to the hard drive instead of the Win CD-ROM.
> I'm relatively new to computers and I would appreciate some pointers > from you and others on this. I'm right now reading your "Backup and > Restore Windows" page. > > Thanks for you guys do on these threads. I think I understand what you mean.
> John > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.vdare.com The Saint - 19 Apr 2004 18:04 GMT >> Ron, >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >when you have to change an install to point to the hard drive >instead of the Win CD-ROM. Yes, the cabs came originally installed in c:\win98 and haven't been moved since. In addition, I made a backup of c:\win98 to a cd-rw in case something happens to my system. This is my very first PC and can't afford to buy a new one - taking care of sick Dad. Hence, my question on a possible reformat and reinstallation of the entire os.
The way I understand it in case I have to reinstall is as follows: 1)bootup with a boot disk; 2)reformat c:\ drive; 3)change directory to f:\win98 (that is the backup of the cabs in the cd-rw) and run setup.exe. I also have a 40gig HD d:\ recently installed.
Is my reinstallation procedure above correct, or is there something wrong with it?
Thanks for your response.
John
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Menno Hershberger - 19 Apr 2004 18:54 GMT >>> Ron, >>> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Thanks for your response. One thing that's being left out here is that when you do a reinstall you are going to have to supply a product identification number. I you don't have it, be sure and get it and write it down before you wipe out your current installation. Look in the registry... HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion and look at the "ProductKey" entry.
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The Saint - 19 Apr 2004 19:23 GMT >One thing that's being left out here is that when you do a reinstall you >are going to have to supply a product identification number. I you don't >have it, be sure and get it and write it down before you wipe out your >current installation. Look in the registry... >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion and look at >the "ProductKey" entry. Thanks. Got that.
John
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Hugh Candlin - 19 Apr 2004 19:43 GMT > >> Ron, > >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Is my reinstallation procedure above correct, or is there something > wrong with it? As I said, it will run a little slower if you execute from the CD-ROM. Loading the CDRW onto the hard disk also avoids any possible problem whereby the install could fail to find the CD-ROM during a reboot.
Other than that, your understanding of the process is spot-on.
> Thanks for your response. > > John > > http://www.vdare.com Hugh Candlin - 19 Apr 2004 20:01 GMT > Is my reinstallation procedure above correct, or is there something > wrong with it? Another thing you may wish to do is to take an inventory of your hardware, and then set up a DRIVERS directory on your hard drive, and copy each of your driver installation programs into it. Then burn that to the CDRW also.
You could create TXT files for all of your passwords, ISP, e-mail, newsgroup and browser configuration settings. Run REGEDIT and search for ProductId and ProductKey. Write them both down, and/or park them in a TXT file also.
The Favorites folder would be another one to save.
Check Device Manager and make a list of the IRQs and their corresponding device assignments.
Browse your hard drive, check each folder, and see if there is anything else that makes a lightbulb go off.
Check your Programs Menu. Make sure that you have the install program CDs for apps that you want to keep, unless you are willing to download them again. Programs such as WinZip, Adobe Reader, Internet Explorer, your ISP software, etc.
The Saint - 20 Apr 2004 06:38 GMT >> Is my reinstallation procedure above correct, or is there something >> wrong with it? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >on your hard drive, and copy each of your driver installation >programs into it. Then burn that to the CDRW also. Do I do this with each piece of harware installed since I purchased the PC-- eg, new harddrive, CD-RW drive, Zip Drive, mouse etc. --or with all the hardware?
Difficult question: how do I go about finding these drivers? Is there a utilities that helps to find them? This will be, I'm sure, the hardest part of the project.
PS: just received the Microsoft February 2004 Security Update CD. I think this should come handy.
Thanks for all you're done.
John
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Hugh Candlin - 20 Apr 2004 07:02 GMT > >> Is my reinstallation procedure above correct, or is there something > >> wrong with it? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the PC-- eg, new harddrive, CD-RW drive, Zip Drive, mouse etc. --or > with all the hardware? No. Just the ones where you are not using the generic drivers provided on the Windows CD, and they did not come with a driver disc provided by the vendor.
> Difficult question: how do I go about finding these drivers? Vendor's web sites.
> Is there a utilities that helps to find them? www.google.com
> This will be, I'm sure, the hardest part of the project. Could be.
> PS: just received the Microsoft February 2004 Security Update CD. I > think this should come handy. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.vdare.com Saga - 19 Apr 2004 20:18 GMT Although it seems obvious, I'll say it anyway.
When doing a reinstall, make sure you have a boot floppy that supports the CD ROM. I just made a startup diskette, rebooted the PC with it and made sure that the CDROM that I have is accessible with the drivers that the startup diskette contains. Once I passed that hurdle, I proceeded to format the C drive and reinstall Win98SE.
Saga
> >> Ron, > >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > http://www.vdare.com Jeff Richards - 19 Apr 2004 23:43 GMT You have copied those setup files to CD/RW. This will be in one of several possible CD formats. It should be in ISO 9660 or standard DATA format. You will create a CD in this format using a CD writing program such as EZ CD Creator.
If you configured your system to use CD/RW as a full read-write device, and you simply copied the files to the disk using Explorer, then that disk will not be accessible from a boot to floppy without additional drivers. You don't have to change anything in your setup or media to create a proper DATA (ISO 9660) CD - it's all in the procedure that you use and the options that you select.
When you boot to floppy, the CD letter will be displayed on-screen during startup. It won't necessarily be F. You can test this by booting to floppy, noting the CD drive letter, inserting the CD, and issuing a command such as DIR x: where x is the drive letter of the CD. You should see a listing of the installation folders and some files. Once tested, you can put the CD, startup floppy, extra drivers and installation key to one side in a safe place.
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> snip < > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > >Good. That's a different story. Ron Badour - 20 Apr 2004 00:25 GMT In addition to all the other good advice already dispensed, take a look at: For information on installing W98, go to: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html
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> Ron, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > http://www.vdare.com The Saint - 20 Apr 2004 06:38 GMT >In addition to all the other good advice already dispensed, take a look at: >For information on installing W98, go to: >http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html Thanks, Ron.
Have got your page saved with the other info. http://www.vdare.com
anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com - 20 Apr 2004 01:47 GMT After you have the 25 diget key code make a start up disk then make a new win disk but this time make a bootable ISO. To use this disk reset the bios to boot A, Cd, C I make this type for every copy of Win98-SE that we have. Don't need a startup disk or take a chance with the orignal.
>-----Original Message----- >Ron, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >http://www.vdare.com >. The Saint - 20 Apr 2004 06:38 GMT > After you have the 25 diget key code make > a start up disk then make a new win disk [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>-----Original Message----- >>Ron, Thanks for reminding me of this. I'll make sure to have this boot sequence from the BIOS.
Regarding the Windows CAB files I have them backed up in a cd-rw, but not as an ISO image. I guess I can make an ISO image of them (have made ISO image once or twice before), but am not sure about how to make a "bootable" ISO image of the CABs. Can you elaborate in layman's terms on how to make a "bootable" ISO image of the win cabs? Thanks. http://www.vdare.com
The Saint - 20 Apr 2004 06:56 GMT >> After you have the 25 diget key code make >> a start up disk then make a new win disk [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Thanks. >http://www.vdare.com Sorry about the bootable ISO image. Just checked my NTI CD Maker 2000 Plus and noticed a button with "Bootable CD."
I'm new at CD drives. Installed my CD-RW a couple of months ago, but have'nt made much use of it. The software I use with the CD-RW is NTI CD Maker 2000 Plus to make images and other stuff, and NTI FileCD. I've mainly used FileCD since it's easier in that it works almost like a hard drive.
I also checked and I see that I made 2 backups of the Cab files in c:\win98. This I did when I first installed my CD-RW, hence my confusion. One CD of the cabs was made using FileCD (just copied the files to it), and the other one using CD Maker 2000 Plus as Data CD.
Apologies to everyone in the group. Although I have received a wealth of info and suggestions, I feel now that I should have made my homework before posing my questions.
Thanks to everyone for your assistance.
John
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Hugh Candlin - 20 Apr 2004 06:57 GMT > Regarding the Windows CAB files I have them backed up in a cd-rw, but > not as an ISO image. I guess I can make an ISO image of them (have > made ISO image once or twice before), but am not sure about how to > make a "bootable" ISO image of the CABs. Can you elaborate in > layman's terms on how to make a "bootable" ISO image of the win cabs? http://support.gateway.com/support/faq/c-drives/adaptec/CDCreator4x/BootableCD.shtml
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The Saint - 20 Apr 2004 07:08 GMT Thanks. Lots to read and learn.
John
>> Regarding the Windows CAB files I have them backed up in a cd-rw, but >> not as an ISO image. I guess I can make an ISO image of them (have [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/ http://www.vdare.com
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