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pamelakok@aol.com - 19 Apr 2004 15:21 GMT
probably a stupid ????? I bought this comp from an indiv
and it seemed ok  i started looking at set up and there is
nothing really on it  when i try to apply certain items it
asks for the disk i do not have .... i am alse missing a
few main file   aol.exe for one    is there any thing i
can do ..i am new  to this   thanks for any answers you
can give         pam
Ron Badour - 19 Apr 2004 15:26 GMT
Ask the person for the Windows CD--it should have come with the PC and you
really need it.   There is a possibility the files may be on the hard
drive--do a find on:  Win98_24.cab             and if found, note its
location.  Then when the system needs a file, point it to that location.

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> probably a stupid ????? I bought this comp from an indiv
> and it seemed ok  i started looking at set up and there is
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> can do ..i am new  to this   thanks for any answers you
> can give         pam
The Saint - 19 Apr 2004 16:46 GMT
Ron,

I also have no Win 98 CD, but I have the Win98 Cabs in C:\Win98.
Within \Win98 folder are two other folders: OLS and Tour. OLS contains
folders for aol, at&t and csi.

My question: If I were someday to format the hard drive, can I
reinstall the os from these Cab files? I have backed up the folders in
a cd-rw disk. Do I just click on the setup.exe file on the cd-rw and
reinstall, after booting up from a boot disk?

I'm relatively new to computers and I would appreciate some pointers
from you and others on this. I'm right now reading your "Backup and
Restore Windows" page.

Thanks for you guys do on these threads.

John

>Ask the person for the Windows CD--it should have come with the PC and you
>really need it.   There is a possibility the files may be on the hard
>drive--do a find on:  Win98_24.cab             and if found, note its
>location.  Then when the system needs a file, point it to that location.

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Hugh Candlin - 19 Apr 2004 17:10 GMT
> Ron,
>
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> My question: If I were someday to format the hard drive, can I
> reinstall the os from these Cab files?

No.  No way.  The FORMAT program will clobber everything
on the C partition.  Those CAB files will no longer exist.

> I have backed up the folders in a cd-rw disk.

Good.  That's a different story.

> Do I just click on the setup.exe file on the cd-rw and
> reinstall, after booting up from a boot disk?

You could do that, but it would be better and faster
to copy the CDRW back to the hard drive.
Most people use C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS
but C:\WIN98 will work just fine, as would C:\CABS.
You will in fact find such a folder name a little faster to get to
when you have to change an install to point to the hard drive
instead of the Win CD-ROM.

> I'm relatively new to computers and I would appreciate some pointers
> from you and others on this. I'm right now reading your "Backup and
> Restore Windows" page.
>
> Thanks for you guys do on these threads.

I think I understand what you mean.

> John
>
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>
> http://www.vdare.com
The Saint - 19 Apr 2004 18:04 GMT
>> Ron,
>>
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>when you have to change an install to point to the hard drive
>instead of the Win CD-ROM.

Yes, the cabs came originally installed in c:\win98 and haven't been
moved since. In addition, I made a backup of c:\win98 to a cd-rw in
case something happens to my system. This is my very first PC and
can't afford to buy a new one - taking care of sick Dad. Hence, my
question on a possible reformat and reinstallation of the entire os.  

The way I understand it in case I have to reinstall is as follows:
1)bootup with a boot disk; 2)reformat c:\ drive; 3)change directory to
f:\win98 (that is the backup of the cabs in the cd-rw) and run
setup.exe. I also have a 40gig HD d:\  recently installed.

Is my reinstallation procedure above correct, or is there something
wrong with it?

Thanks for your response.

John

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Menno Hershberger - 19 Apr 2004 18:54 GMT
>>> Ron,
>>>
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>
> Thanks for your response.

One thing that's being left out here is that when you do a reinstall you
are going to have to supply a product identification number. I you don't
have it, be sure and get it and write it down before you wipe out your
current installation. Look in the registry...
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion and look at
the "ProductKey" entry.

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The Saint - 19 Apr 2004 19:23 GMT
>One thing that's being left out here is that when you do a reinstall you
>are going to have to supply a product identification number. I you don't
>have it, be sure and get it and write it down before you wipe out your
>current installation. Look in the registry...
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion and look at
>the "ProductKey" entry.

Thanks. Got that.

John

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Hugh Candlin - 19 Apr 2004 19:43 GMT
> >> Ron,
> >>
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> Is my reinstallation procedure above correct, or is there something
> wrong with it?

As I said, it will run a little slower if you execute from the CD-ROM.
Loading the CDRW onto the hard disk also avoids any possible problem
whereby the install could fail to find the CD-ROM during a reboot.

Other than that, your understanding of the process is spot-on.

> Thanks for your response.
>
> John
>
> http://www.vdare.com
Hugh Candlin - 19 Apr 2004 20:01 GMT
> Is my reinstallation procedure above correct, or is there something
> wrong with it?

Another thing you may wish to do is to take an inventory
of your hardware, and then set up a DRIVERS directory
on your hard drive, and copy each of your driver installation
programs into it.  Then burn that to the CDRW also.

You could create TXT files for all of your passwords,
ISP, e-mail, newsgroup and browser configuration settings.
Run REGEDIT and search for ProductId and ProductKey.
Write them both down, and/or park them in a TXT file also.

The Favorites folder would be another one to save.

Check Device Manager and make a list of the IRQs
and their corresponding device assignments.

Browse your hard drive, check each folder, and see
if there is anything else that makes a lightbulb go off.

Check your Programs Menu.  Make sure that you have
the install program CDs for apps that you want to keep,
unless you are willing to download them again.
Programs such as WinZip, Adobe Reader, Internet Explorer,
your ISP software, etc.
The Saint - 20 Apr 2004 06:38 GMT
>> Is my reinstallation procedure above correct, or is there something
>> wrong with it?
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>on your hard drive, and copy each of your driver installation
>programs into it.  Then burn that to the CDRW also.

Do I do this with each piece of harware installed since I purchased
the PC-- eg, new harddrive, CD-RW drive, Zip Drive, mouse etc. --or
with all the hardware?

Difficult question: how do I go about finding these drivers? Is there
a utilities that helps to find them? This will be, I'm sure, the
hardest part of the project.

PS: just received the Microsoft February 2004 Security Update CD. I
think this should come handy.

Thanks for all you're done.

John

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Hugh Candlin - 20 Apr 2004 07:02 GMT
> >> Is my reinstallation procedure above correct, or is there something
> >> wrong with it?
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> the PC-- eg, new harddrive, CD-RW drive, Zip Drive, mouse etc. --or
> with all the hardware?

No.  Just the ones where you are not using the generic drivers
provided on the Windows CD, and they did not come with
a driver disc provided by the vendor.

> Difficult question: how do I go about finding these drivers?

Vendor's web sites.

> Is there a utilities that helps to find them?

www.google.com

> This will be, I'm sure, the hardest part of the project.

Could be.

> PS: just received the Microsoft February 2004 Security Update CD. I
> think this should come handy.
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>
> http://www.vdare.com
Saga - 19 Apr 2004 20:18 GMT
Although it seems obvious, I'll say it anyway.

When doing a reinstall, make sure you have a boot
floppy that supports the CD ROM. I just made a startup
diskette, rebooted the PC with it and made sure that the
CDROM that I have is accessible with the drivers that
the startup diskette contains. Once I passed that hurdle,
I proceeded to format the C drive and reinstall Win98SE.

Saga

> >> Ron,
> >>
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>
> http://www.vdare.com
Jeff Richards - 19 Apr 2004 23:43 GMT
You have copied those setup files to CD/RW. This will be in one of several
possible CD formats. It should be in ISO 9660 or standard DATA format. You
will create a CD in this format using a CD writing program such as EZ CD
Creator.

If you configured your system to use CD/RW as a full read-write device, and
you simply copied the files to the disk using Explorer, then that disk will
not be accessible from a boot to floppy without additional drivers. You
don't have to change anything in your setup or media to create a proper DATA
(ISO 9660) CD - it's all in the procedure that you use and the options that
you select.

When you boot to floppy, the CD letter will be displayed on-screen during
startup. It won't necessarily be F.  You can test this by booting to floppy,
noting the CD drive letter, inserting the CD, and issuing a command such as
DIR x: where x is the drive letter of the CD. You should see a listing of
the installation folders and some files. Once tested, you can put the CD,
startup floppy, extra drivers and installation key to one side in a safe
place.
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MS MVP W95/W98

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> >
> >Good.  That's a different story.
Ron Badour - 20 Apr 2004 00:25 GMT
In addition to all the other good advice already dispensed, take a look at:
For information on installing W98, go to:
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html

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Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips:  http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

> Ron,
>
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>
> http://www.vdare.com
The Saint - 20 Apr 2004 06:38 GMT
>In addition to all the other good advice already dispensed, take a look at:
>For information on installing W98, go to:
>http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html

Thanks, Ron.

Have got your page saved with the other info.
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anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com - 20 Apr 2004 01:47 GMT
   After you have the 25 diget key code make
  a start up disk then make a new win disk
  but this time make a bootable ISO. To use
  this disk reset the bios to boot A, Cd, C
  I make this type for every copy of Win98-SE
  that we have. Don't need a startup disk or
  take a chance with the orignal.
>-----Original Message-----
>Ron,
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The Saint - 20 Apr 2004 06:38 GMT
>    After you have the 25 diget key code make
>   a start up disk then make a new win disk
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>Ron,

Thanks for reminding me of this. I'll make sure to have this boot
sequence from the BIOS.

Regarding the Windows CAB files I have them backed up in a cd-rw, but
not as an ISO image. I guess I can make an ISO image of them (have
made ISO image once or twice before), but am not sure about how to
make a "bootable"  ISO image of the CABs. Can you elaborate in
layman's terms on how to make a "bootable" ISO image of the win cabs?
Thanks.
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The Saint - 20 Apr 2004 06:56 GMT
>>    After you have the 25 diget key code make
>>   a start up disk then make a new win disk
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>Thanks.
>http://www.vdare.com

Sorry about the bootable ISO image. Just checked my NTI CD Maker 2000
Plus and noticed a button with "Bootable CD."  

I'm new at CD drives. Installed my CD-RW a couple of months ago, but
have'nt made much use of it. The software I use with the CD-RW is NTI
CD Maker 2000 Plus to make images and other stuff, and NTI FileCD.
I've mainly used FileCD since it's easier in that it works almost like
a hard drive.

I also checked and I see that I made 2 backups of the Cab files in
c:\win98. This I did  when I first installed my CD-RW, hence my
confusion. One CD of the cabs was made using FileCD (just copied the
files to it), and the other one using CD Maker 2000 Plus as Data CD.

Apologies to everyone in the group. Although I have received a wealth
of info and suggestions, I feel now that I should have made my
homework before posing my questions.

Thanks to everyone for your assistance.

John

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Hugh Candlin - 20 Apr 2004 06:57 GMT
> Regarding the Windows CAB files I have them backed up in a cd-rw, but
> not as an ISO image. I guess I can make an ISO image of them (have
> made ISO image once or twice before), but am not sure about how to
> make a "bootable"  ISO image of the CABs. Can you elaborate in
> layman's terms on how to make a "bootable" ISO image of the win cabs?

http://support.gateway.com/support/faq/c-drives/adaptec/CDCreator4x/BootableCD.shtml

http://www.bootdisk.com/txtfiles/ron.txt

http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/
The Saint - 20 Apr 2004 07:08 GMT
Thanks. Lots to read and learn.

John

>> Regarding the Windows CAB files I have them backed up in a cd-rw, but
>> not as an ISO image. I guess I can make an ISO image of them (have
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>
>http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/

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