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Larry Jordan - 19 Apr 2004 11:36 GMT
mourning folks

 shoot i sure hate to bother you fine folks again, but
this is only place that this old man has ever got any real
help.

 well evertime i do the windows update deal, it takes me
two or three months to get my computer working right again.

 there are nine critical updates for my computer,and you
all always (reading post) say to get the updates.
 well after my last stroke i can not remember things to
good (like what updates there were)

 anyway would it be better to get the updates and deal
with any problems, or do not get them?

hope this post makes since
thanks much
larry
H Leboeuf - 19 Apr 2004 12:29 GMT
The updates will protect you against the various security flaws.
You should get them.

Microsoft is making a CD available with all the updates  to Feb 04.
Get your copy .

How to obtain and use the Windows Security Update free CD (February 2004)
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=833242

List of security updates that are included on the Windows Security Update CD
(February 2004)
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=836570
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If you get them from the Microsoft site, I suggest you install only one at a
time.
Check your computer and if all is well the next day get an other one.

If any problems after an installation then check with this group.

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We welcome and encourage your feedback on the new version. Windows Update
personnel will be monitoring the
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsupdate
newsgroup for issues.

Thanks,
Lucy Eby [MS]
Windows Update Support
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Henri Leboeuf
Web page: http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/index.htm
** NOTE NEW ADDRESS **
Pages at generation.net will no longer be updated.
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> mourning folks
>
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> thanks much
> larry
Larry Jordan - 20 Apr 2004 08:25 GMT
>-----Original Message-----
>The updates will protect you against the various security flaws.
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>.
>Mr. Leboeuf

 thanks much or your reply, and all the help.

 i already have my copy of the update cd.  i was just
hoping i could get by until my new comp. arrives this
thursday, its got XP.

thanks again
Larry
Gary S. Terhune - 19 Apr 2004 18:27 GMT
Larry,

In most cases, though not all, problems like you seem to experience, that
develop after updating Windows or after installing what one would normally
expect to be trouble-free software/hardware, etc., are due to the condition
of the underlying system--*and* to not following sane procedures for
installing the updates/software/hardware. If the underlying system is
already in a state of DLL Hell, or any precariously balanced state where,
say, you have disable this or that, because it "doesn't work", or
installed/uninstalled software/drivers various times, looking for a sweet
spot--any changes are sure to throw the whole thing back into serious chaos.
Likewise, if before updating or installing new software or hardware/
drivers, etc., you do not first shut down all the background applications
running on your system, empty TEMP, and otherwise cleanup, your chances of
successful reprogramming are seriously impaired.

I don't know how to advise you on cleaning up your existing system. For
someone who is not already well-versed in the procedures, anything beyond
the basics can be daunting, and dangerous to your system's health. But I
*will* suggest that there are no magic bullets. *None* of the "Fix-All"
registry analyzers, or other system cleaners out there are worth a damn
except in the hands of experts who can understand the results of system
scans and make the proper decisions for themselves. At best I can suggest
that you make sure all your personal files are well backed up, that you get
the Security Updates CD, that you collect and catalogue your applications
installation software, updates, hardware drivers--in short, that you prepare
for a completely clean reinstallation from scratch--and then, before
resorting to that drastic solution, at least attempt to revive your current
system, learning how to clean up your system in depth, uninstalling a ton of
stuff, rebuilding the hardware profile, cleaning out garbage files, cleaning
up the Registry, etc., etc., etc. Even if you fail to restore your system to
true sanity, and have to resort to reformatting and starting over, you will
have learned a lot (and learning new stuff is good rehab after a stroke, is
it not?)

Meanuwhile, in case you haven't seen this, here's my standard advice for
people in your situation (though, as I say, I suspect your's is a more
serious case than can be remedied altogether using these procedures.)

See my article, "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=%23CzLXep4DHA.1664@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl

Because some of the more recent known invaders are capable of interfering
with the suggestions contained in the above, and because they may *be* the
problem, I suggest you also consider first doing the following, though it
may be necessary to set up a clean boot, and even then manually kill a
malicious process or two before you can even get these accomplished.

Update your Antivirus, run a full scan. Then, if you haven't already, get,
update and run any or all of the following Trojan/Parasite/Adware/Spyware
cleaners. I recommend getting and running *all* of them. They each target
slightly different things.  Again, be sure you update the definitions they
are using to identify crap before running them, each time you run
them--which, depending on your surfing habits, should be anything from once
a month, to once a week, to once a day, to once an hour if you're really
into junkware sites (aka "Free goodies", game sites, fun-places-to-be, etc.)

Ad-Aware http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/
SpyBot-Search & Destroy http://www.safer-networking.org/
HijackThis http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/files/HijackThis.exe
CWShredder http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/files/cwshredder.zip

PLEASE! Before doing any of these, see also,
http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer/Darnit.htm for suggestions and cautionary
information about internet surfing, and some important hints about using the
above. ESPECIALLY, be aware that HijackThis scans result in a LOT of stuff
that you *don't* want to delete. The admonishment to save a log and show it
to an expert is critically good advice. Not following that advice can really
do some damage to your system. SpyBot, too, is capable of similar problems,
especially if you change default scan settings or "Immunize".

An additional tool that is very helpful in protecting your machine is a
HOSTS file. Microsoft MVPs maintain a frequently updated list of bad sites.
They may be sites that provide most of the junky advertisements you see in
other places, or sites that install spyware/adware, or that, for whatever
reason, you shouldn't allow into your system. Using the HOSTS file, you can
redirect such addresses to a site that's guaranteed will fail to load on
most machines--your own computer.
HOSTS Overview -- http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

Also handy is MVP George Geyde's HOSTS File Manager. You can find it at the
bottom of this page:
http://www.mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/Software.htm

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Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Windows 9x

> mourning folks
>
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> thanks much
> larry
larry jordan - 20 Apr 2004 08:54 GMT
>-----Original Message-----
>Larry,
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>.
>Mr. Terhume

 thanks for your reply, sure do appreciate all the help.

 yes i got myself a copy of the clean boot deal that you
wrote and i got my update CD.
 i am getting a new computer this week and it has XP on
it.  i have had this 98se a long time and am sort of used
to it.  XP scares this old man (been reading up on it).

tanks again
Larry
Gary S. Terhune - 21 Apr 2004 20:59 GMT
Larry,

I think you'll find that XP isn't really all that scary. Personally, I like
to get rid of all the eye-candy and much of the idiot-proofing, and finding
all those settings can take a while if you don't already know where they are
(heck, it takes me a while and I *do* know where they all are!)

The biggest difference from a user's point of view is the way Users Accounts
are set up--the whole "Documents ans Settings" thing. Otherwise, Windows is
Windows is Windows.

Still, your best bet is to join in at one or more of the Microsoft MS News
WinXP newsgroups. They even have one devoted to Newbies. Lots of good MVPs
and other helpful souls over there (though you will find a lot more trolls,
too.) Another good place for advice is the Aumha.org forums, which is also
primarily maintained and staffed by MVPs, former MVPs, and ought-to-be MVPs.
http://forum.aumha.org/

Once you have XP under control, and have migrated all your personal files
(and even backed up your entire Win98 machine to that new, huge, mostly
empty hard drive), you can sit back and rebuild the Win98 machine as you
please, play with it, and even learn more about how it functions, now that
it isn't a "mission-critical" machine, <s>.

Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

> >Mr. Terhume
>
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> tanks again
> Larry
 
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