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Windows Forum / Windows 98 / General Topics / March 2005Cannot format a network drive
When I try to reformat the hd, it says " cannot format a network drive" which I dont understand. Here si the background of this old pc. This pc has 2 hdd connected to the same ide cable, When I got htis pc, 1st hd is Quantum Fireball Tm in which it is connected to the last connector. There are only 3 pins in the 'normal' jumper 'socket' instead of the ususal '4' and there are no jumpers on these pins. The 2nd hd is Maxtor which is connected to the middle connector and with the jumper horizontal across the pins, I presume Maxtor is set as slave. To reformat Quantum, I took out the Maxtor, I insert 'system disk' diskette in floppy and power on the pc. The following text appears' {{ Venturis GL 6200 System Ram passed ..... System Bios shadowed Video Bios shadowed UMB Upper limit segment address F178 Failure Fixed Disk 1 Mouse initialised.. Press F1 to resume F2 to 'setup'}} When I press F1 to resume and will gave the bios data like this Copy right 1985-1995 Phoneix.... cpu (200mhz) pentium Pro Co-processor installed .......etc Hard disk 0 = 2110 MB (change this to 6480 when I connect Maxtor as pri) hard disk 1 = 6480 Mb hard disk 2 = none hard disk 3 =none (Fyi dont seems to be able to change HD1 from 6480 to 2110 when I connect Quantum to the middle connector) it will read "A" and I was able to reformat and install w98se and it works fine. On the 2nd hd, I took it out and I connect up to another pc (os is win2k) and does a reformat under fat32 system and downloaded 'Evererest' into his hd. I then connected back into the old pc as slave (same ide cable as quantum which means its in the same connecting arrangement when I first got it) and power on the pc, but the win98se does not seems to load. So I decided to load the w98se into Maxtor also (and redo it). So, I took out Quantum and connect Maxtor to the end connector and set as master, On the power and it does its usual text (as above) and when I press F1, (will also give the bios data) it was able to read "A" and after partiton (single,primary and make 'active') and try to format it, it give me this message "Cannot format a network drive" What does that means? Frankly with Quantum and only 3 pins and no jumper, I just dont know when there is no jumper on it, is it set as primary master or slave. My objective is to get the pc going (does not matter which hd is os) as long as I can boot up without waiting for LONG time to get to desktop. Please help, thanks My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: > When I try to reformat the hd, it says " cannot format a network > drive" which I dont understand. Here si the background of this old pc. <snip> In the system setup utility (often called BIOS or, more aptly CMOS setup utility) do you have it set to boot to a networked drive? Galen  SignatureSignature changed for a moment of silence. Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side. Galen, No, its not set to boot to a network drive. The boot sequence is either A, Hd or CD ROM or Hd,A, CD ROM depending on which one I want it to boot first Ben & Bill, will try to figure out. Really exploring the unknown jungle to me. Many thanks for your help. > My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Galen Try using Maxblast4 to format the drive. http://tinyurl.com/3nz9y Ben > When I try to reformat the hd, it says " cannot format a network drive" which > I dont understand. Here si the background of this old pc. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > as I can boot up without waiting for LONG time to get to desktop. Please > help, thanks > When I try to reformat the hd, it says " cannot format a network drive" which > I dont understand. Here si the background of this old pc. [snip] > "Cannot format a network drive" > > What does that means? Frankly with Quantum and only 3 pins and no jumper, I > just dont know when there is no jumper on it, is it set as primary master or > slave. If you do a search at the manufacturers web-site on the model number you should be able to find a diagram of the jumper settings. If not Google for it. Having the hardware configured correctly is job number one. You need to first of all check that the jumper settings are correct. The drives should have a label on them, showing a diagram of the jumper configurations. On the Maxtor there may actually be two jumpers that have to be installed on the jumper pins, depending on what model the Maxtor drive is. Please post back with the exact model numbers and names of the drives....that should be on the label also. SignatureGlen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > When I try to reformat the hd, it says " cannot format a network drive" which > I dont understand. Here si the background of this old pc. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > as I can boot up without waiting for LONG time to get to desktop. Please > help, thanks Maxtor N256 model 90648D3 as for Quantum 3.5 series Fireball tm 2110MB AT TM21A472 Rev01-A A6B24 5m70900864 there are only 3 pins on Quantum and on its cover, it shows the setting of the jumper slave - no jumper. master (with jumper). cs (without jumper). park (with jumper). (normally we expect 2 rows on 5 pins but in this case there are only 3 opins in total) > You need to first of all check that the jumper settings are correct. The drives > should have a label on them, showing a diagram of the jumper configurations. On the [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > as I can boot up without waiting for LONG time to get to desktop. Please > > help, thanks Jumper the first two vertical pins of the Maxtor for master or single, remove or park the jumper for slave. see- http://pms.colonpee.com/misc/hdd.maxtor.dm4320.txt You already have the Quantum diagram. Put the master on the end connector of the cable and the slave on the middle connector. > Maxtor N256 > model 90648D3 [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] >> > as I can boot up without waiting for LONG time to get to desktop. Please >> > help, thanks Here are the jumper positions for the Maxtor model you have: http://www.maxtor.com/_files/maxtor/en_us/documentation/jumper_settings/style_a1.htm Also seen here with further documentation: http://maxtor.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/maxtor.cfg/php/enduser/olh_adp.php?p_faqid=169 For the Quantum drive, look here: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rayp/HD/QUANTUM/guides/fb_a_cr.htm Ignore the 4th jumper pin set marked Rsvd in the picture, and you have the jumper pins you describe on your drive. The descriptions you are giving in your post do not sound like you have the jumpers set correctly but you keep switching out the drives, so it's hard to say where you have them set, when. If you only want one drive installed, then just install one of them, set its jumper to Master, then enter the BIOS Setup program and run the IDE AutoDetection or set each IDE position to Auto and press Enter, in order to detect the drive correctly. SignatureGlen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > Maxtor N256 > model 90648D3 [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > > as I can boot up without waiting for LONG time to get to desktop. Please > > > help, thanks Thats exactly what I did. The Maxtor is connected in the middle without any jumper. The Quantum is connected to the end but there is no jumper. What I dont understand is that the diagram given on the Quantum hd does not seems to tally with the pins it has. Physically there are only 3 pins and to set the various configuration, it shows 4 rows across and 2 vertical down (meaning 8 pins in all). So it seems the problem lies here while I just cannot figure out, how to set as master, see what I mean. When I have the above fixation (max-slave, no jumper) and Quantum (connected to end connector and no pint) and try to boot up the pc, it just would not load the W98SE. If I take out Maxtor, and boot up, it will say " Failure Fixed Disk 1" and after a while it will contiune to boot up and goes to desktop and works fine. > Here are the jumper positions for the Maxtor model you have: > http://www.maxtor.com/_files/maxtor/en_us/documentation/jumper_settings/style_a1.htm [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > > > as I can boot up without waiting for LONG time to get to desktop. Please > > > > help, thanks glee, apologiise, some how I did not read/miss your post before my earlier response. On the Qunatum Tm, I realised now where the jumpers are located. Looking at hte diagram for the Tm series, it has jumper in the park and ds as well. This according to the diagram is set as master to slave. On the maxtor, Ihe jumper over the J44 and J42 positions is in the jumper storage position (slave). With the above 2 hdd configurations, quantum been connected to the pri(end) connector and maxtor connected to the middle connector, I power on the pc and goes as far ar giving the bios data:- Copy right 1985-1995 Phoneix.... cpu (200mhz) pentium Pro Co-processor installed .......etc Hard disk 0 = 2110 MB (change this to 6480 when I connect Maxtor as pri) hard disk 1 = 6480 Mb hard disk 2 = none hard disk 3 =none and hang there or at least the cursor keeps on blinking and nothing happen. The w98se is definitely in Quantum as on its own, able to go to desktop. Any idea what is causing the pc to not load the os, thanks > Here are the jumper positions for the Maxtor model you have: > http://www.maxtor.com/_files/maxtor/en_us/documentation/jumper_settings/style_a1.htm [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > > > as I can boot up without waiting for LONG time to get to desktop. Please > > > > help, thanks > glee, > apologiise, some how I did not read/miss your post before my earlier > response. On the Qunatum Tm, I realised now where the jumpers are located. > Looking at hte diagram for the Tm series, it has jumper in the park and ds as > well. This according to the diagram is set as master to slave. Yes, that should be a 'Master' setting there. > On the maxtor, Ihe jumper over the J44 and J42 positions is in the jumper > storage position (slave). Right, that's the slave setting. > With the above 2 hdd configurations, quantum been connected to the pri(end) > connector and maxtor connected to the middle connector, OK, so the Quantum is jumpered Master and set to the end connector on the cable, Maxtor jumpered Slave and attached to the middle connector....so far, so good. > I power on the pc and > goes as far ar giving the bios data:- [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > .......etc > Hard disk 0 = 2110 MB (change this to 6480 when I connect Maxtor as pri) When you connect the Maxtor to the end connector (I assume this is what you mean) and want to boot from it, you must change the jumper setting to make it the Master, and you must re-detect the hard drives in the BIOS so that the new drive positions are enumerated. Also, you have to make the C: partition on that drive the Active (boot) partition, usually done by using FDISK to set a partition as Active. > hard disk 1 = 6480 Mb > hard disk 2 = none [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The w98se is definitely in Quantum as on its own, able to go to desktop. Any > idea what is causing the pc to not load the os, thanks So you are saying that if you physically remove the Maxtor from the cables so that the Quantum is alone, it boots from the Quantum? Have you re-detected the drives in the BIOS setup after all this? What is your purpose for having two drives both with operating systems on them? Exactly what setup do you want to have on the computer, with what drives and what operating systems? Is the Maxtor an ATA/66 or ATA/100 drive? The Quantum being older may not be either of those, and you may need to use the Maxtor PowerMax utilities to set the drive to ATA/33 maximum. SignatureGlen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > > Here are the jumper positions for the Maxtor model you have: http://www.maxtor.com/_files/maxtor/en_us/documentation/jumper_settings/style_a1.htm > > Also seen here with further documentation: http://maxtor.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/maxtor.cfg/php/enduser/olh_adp.php?p_faqid=169 > > For the Quantum drive, look here: > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rayp/HD/QUANTUM/guides/fb_a_cr.htm [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > > > > as I can boot up without waiting for LONG time to get to desktop. Please > > > > > help, thanks my objective is since I have 2 hdd, I will try to use them Quantum as master (for the 98se) and Maxtor as slave for storage. I was able to install the 98se into Quantum and when only 1 hdd physically (in the pc ansd bios detected as Disk 0, 2110 MB), I was able to get to desktop. The problem started when I attached Maxtor (Disk 1, 6480 MB) as pri slave and I cannot get to desktop. If I cannot use the 2 hdd, I would be happy with only 1 hdd in the pc, naturally with Maxtor and discard the Quantum and thats why I try to load 98 into Maxtor. Ref to my previous post:- your quote "Yes, that should be a 'Master' setting there" when I say " This according to the diagram is set as master to slave". This is the exact statement from quantum link below http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rayp/HD/QUANTUM/guides/fb_a_tm.htm So I presume that setting with jumper at PK and DS, Quantum means it is set as "Master" Since I cannot get to desktop when 2 hdd are in the pc, I decided I will have 1 hdd, Maxtor (and discard Quantum) and try to install the 98se. So connect to the end of the pri connector, set as master and set the bios as auto (in which it will show 6480 Hard Disk 0 ) and boot sequence as A,hdd,CD rom. and restart the pc with the floppy inside. I was able to create the partition in which only 1 partition and make active. When I reboot to format c:, it then give me a message "cannot format a network drive" and when I change to c:\dir/w, it give the follow:- CDR101: Not ready reading drive c -dont understand what does that means. when I restart again, after the bios message (which give Hard Disk 0 = 6480 MB , HD 1/2/3 -none) the cursor just keeps nlinking and nothing happen. (the green light on the floppy disk drive is always green. I change another floppy disk drive, its also the same, the cursor keeps bliknking and light stays green) where can it go wrong? and I hope I ahve answered all your questions > > glee, > > apologiise, some how I did not read/miss your post before my earlier [quoted text clipped - 166 lines] > > > > > > as I can boot up without waiting for LONG time to get to desktop. Please > > > > > > help, thanks Based on some of the information you are supplying in your last reply, I am not sure how much experience you have inside the computer case. If the floppy light is on all the time, that indicates that the floppy ribbon cable is connected backwards. The red stripe on the data cable lines up with pin #1 on the drive's connector. If you have this on wrong, the floppy light will shine continually. I am concerned that you may not have the cabling correct on the hard drives, although it *sounds* like you are jumpering correctly. Generally the connector for the data cable on the hard drive is keyed so it goes on only one way, but with older drives maybe not, so make sure you have the red stripe at pin #1 on the hard drives also. Your error: CDR101: Not ready reading drive c is very strange, as the CDR101 error is for CD drives, not hard drives. Again, it looks like you may have the drives misconfigured in the BIOS setup. If that is the case and you are booting with the standard Windows boot floppy, the RAM drive may be getting designated drive C: You are indicating that the BIOS is correctly identifying the hard drive, so I am not sure how you are managing to get this error. Are you quite sure that the BIOS is correctly detecting the Maxtor? Check if your BIOS Setup has LBA mode enabled for the drive. I suggest you wipe the Maxtor drive clean by deleting all partitions with FDISK, and start over with just the one drive set and jumpered as Master/Single, make doubly sure that ALL the cables are correctly connected, and start over in the BIOS, redetecting all the drives installed at that time. How to Install A Second Hard Drive as a Slave Drive in Win98: http://www.cybertechhelp.com/html/tutorials/tutorial.php/id/73 How to Delete a Partition: http://www.cybertechhelp.com/html/tutorials/tutorial.php/id/36 How to Create a Partition: http://www.cybertechhelp.com/html/tutorials/tutorial.php?id=37 How to Format a Partition: http://www.cybertechhelp.com/html/tutorials/tutorial.php?id=38 SignatureGlen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > my objective is since I have 2 hdd, I will try to use them Quantum as master > (for the 98se) and Maxtor as slave for storage. I was able to install the [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > > > > > > Here are the jumper positions for the Maxtor model you have: http://www.maxtor.com/_files/maxtor/en_us/documentation/jumper_settings/style_a1.htm > > > > Also seen here with further documentation: http://maxtor.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/maxtor.cfg/php/enduser/olh_adp.php?p_faqid=169 > > > > For the Quantum drive, look here: > > > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rayp/HD/QUANTUM/guides/fb_a_cr.htm [quoted text clipped - 108 lines] > > > > > > > as I can boot up without waiting for LONG time to get to desktop. Please > > > > > > > help, thanks on the floppy drive, there is no mistake in the cabling. What I mean to say when it stays green all the time is when its start reading. Its not the case when you power on the pc and its starys green all the time, sori fornot making that clear in my earlier post. The hdd is also cabled correctly with pin1 in the right p;ace. on the error "Your error: CDR101: Not ready reading drive c", as you can see when I restart, it did not appear again but I post i just to show whats is actualy I am getting as I go thru the process. The bios when boots up have been saying Hard DisK 0/1/2/3 and it correctedly identify the hard disk size depending on the connection. Say if I connect Quantum as pri master, it will detect as Hrad Dsik 0 = 2110 Mb and if I add on Max as pri slave, it will say HD1 = 6480 Mb. If I disconnect both and then put Maxtor as pri Master, I have to go to bios and auto detect and it will read HAard Disk 0 = 640 Mb, so there is no mistake in this area. As suggested trying to redo with Maxtor (only) and trying to get a new floppy drive and see if the f/drive is causing the problem not able to read as the green light continously on when reading it. Will revert, thanks > Based on some of the information you are supplying in your last reply, I am not sure > how much experience you have inside the computer case. If the floppy light is on [quoted text clipped - 280 lines] > Please > > > > > > > > help, thanks OK, I understand a little better now. :-) Exactly what boot floppy disk are you using? Try this procedure: Create a bootdisk by inserting the Windows CD in any computer running Windows (such as a friend's or one at the library), cancel setup if it starts, then browse the CD to the \tools\mtsutil\fat32ebd folder, and double-click the file namedfat32ebd.exe, and follow the prompts. Use the boot diskette it creates to boot your computer, and format the hard drive using the command: format c: Don't use the /s switch if you are installing from the CD, only use /s if you are planning to install by copying the installation files from the CD to the hard drive. SignatureGlen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx > on the floppy drive, there is no mistake in the cabling. What I mean to say > when it stays green all the time is when its start reading. Its not the case [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > > > also the same, the cursor keeps bliknking and light stays green) > > > where can it go wrong? and I hope I ahve answered all your questions <snip> The error message means that the partition you created on the Maxtor was not found after the reboot when you attempted to format. As a consequence, the PC is referring to your cdrom, whether it exists or not, as the C: drive/partition. Under the conditions you've provided, I would suggest that the Maxtor is not provided adequate time during reboot for proper detection. You can provide more time by forcing full RAM check, multiple times if available, in the bios settings. Since you don't mind getting under the hood, change the ide ribbon cable to a new 80 wire version. Under the condition you've provided, the Maxtor alone in the PC as master, carefully view the bios summary and see if the Maxtor was detected on reboot. If this was successful, then use fdisk to interrogate the Maxtor for partition information. You cannot format, unless the PC recognizes the presence of a partition. How is your cdrom/cdr/cdrw connected to the PC? Its not noted in the bios summary. Some older HDs in older PCs simply will not tolerate the existence of the other. In such cases, they simply don't respond, or respond as anticipated. If my memory serves me correctly, some Maxtors and WDs had this problem when in same PC. The same ribbon cable or not. This was later found due to the low-level language that the different HDs used for communication was radically different in some aspects. This may be a similar issue with the Quantum and Maxtor. > on the floppy drive, there is no mistake in the cabling. What I mean to say > when it stays green all the time is when its start reading. Its not the case [quoted text clipped - 155 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the jumper positions for the Maxtor model you have: http://www.maxtor.com/_files/maxtor/en_us/documentation/jumper_settings/style_a1.htm > > > > > > Also seen here with further documentation: http://maxtor.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/maxtor.cfg/php/enduser/olh_adp.php?p_faqid=169 > > > > > > For the Quantum drive, look here: > > > > > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rayp/HD/QUANTUM/guides/fb_a_cr.htm [quoted text clipped - 134 lines] > > Please > > > > > > > > > help, thanks glee and lil, I will try as suggested, Fyi, the boot floopy diskette is the one I always use to partition and format my hdd for other machine/w98se. On this working machine the floppy drive can read this boot floppy disk (auto exec,coldboot,command,fdisk,format,ghost,mscdex). I then attached this floppy disk drive into the machine in question (no errors in cabling) and power on the pc.. As usual after the bios info, when it comes to ifloppy disk drive's turn to read, the green light comes on and stay green all the time. You can hear that its trying to read the diskette but nothing appears on the screen and the cursor keeps on blinking. So, that means cursor keeps blinking cursor irrespective of whether the floppy disk drive belongs to the (machine in question) or the working machine. Any idea why it behave in this way. From the above, it tells me that the floppy drive and diskette is ok but when attached to the machine (in question), the cursor just keeps blinking. > The error message means that the partition you created on the Maxtor was not > found after the reboot when you attempted to format. As a consequence, the [quoted text clipped - 426 lines] > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > help, thanks many thanks for the clue , manage to get going, fdisk, format the maxtor by changing the bios setting.I have it as a single pri partition and make active. Side step a bit, since I have trhe quantum with 98se loaded, and if i made this maxtor as pri slave, must maxtor be made active? In other orders, is it necessary to make slave drive active when you use it as storage. What is the consequence when you made it active and as pri slave, any idea thanks > The error message means that the partition you created on the Maxtor was not > found after the reboot when you attempted to format. As a consequence, the [quoted text clipped - 426 lines] > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > help, thanks You can only have one Active partition....the one marked Active is the one that will be booted. You can't mark two Active at the same time. SignatureGlen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx > many thanks for the clue , manage to get going, fdisk, format the maxtor by > changing the bios setting.I have it as a single pri partition and make active. [quoted text clipped - 251 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the jumper positions for the Maxtor model you have: http://www.maxtor.com/_files/maxtor/en_us/documentation/jumper_settings/style_a1.htm > > > > > > > > Also seen here with further documentation: http://maxtor.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/maxtor.cfg/php/enduser/olh_adp.php?p_faqid=169 > > > > > > > > For the Quantum drive, look here: > > > > > > > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rayp/HD/QUANTUM/guides/fb_a_cr.htm [quoted text clipped - 173 lines] > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > > help, thanks glee, many thanks and all works well now. > You can only have one Active partition....the one marked Active is the one that will > be booted. You can't mark two Active at the same time. [quoted text clipped - 436 lines] > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > > > help, thanks I can't really make out if you have them jumpered correctly or not. You might try setting them both as "single" and moving the maxtor to the other channel. ("single", assuming of course, there is no other slave device, such as CD-ROM) Don't know about the Quantum, but "single" should be the same jumper position as "master" for the Maxtor. > glee, > apologiise, some how I did not read/miss your post before my earlier [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] >> > > > as I can boot up without waiting for LONG time to get to desktop. Please >> > > > help, thanks |
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