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Felipe Monteiro - 27 Oct 2006 13:26 GMT

Hello,

I have Windows 98 with dual boot with Mandriva Linux 2007.

My problem is that Windows 98 keeps erasing my MBR, and thus it destroys
my lilo bootmanager. How can I stop him from doing that?

thanks,

Felip

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Don Phillipson - 27 Oct 2006 14:03 GMT

> I have Windows 98 with dual boot with Mandriva Linux 2007.
>
> My problem is that Windows 98 keeps erasing my MBR, and thus it destroys
> my lilo bootmanager. How can I stop him from doing that?

Boot from a Linux floppy including LILO ?

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roman modic - 27 Oct 2006 15:16 GMT

Hello!

> Hello,
>
> I have Windows 98 with dual boot with Mandriva Linux 2007.
>
> My problem is that Windows 98 keeps erasing my MBR, and thus it destroys my lilo bootmanager. How can I stop him from doing that?

I'm not an expert, but maybe replacing LILO with GRUB will help ...

Roman

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Jeanette - 27 Oct 2006 15:38 GMT

> Hello!
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>> My problem is that Windows 98 keeps erasing my MBR, and thus it destroys my lilo bootmanager. How can I stop him from doing that?

Dual booting you should install windows 98 first on the first partition,
then install your version of linux. Install grub to the mbr.

If you reinstall windows it will over write grub.

Then you need to boot from the linux cd and use the rescue to reinstall
grub.

Jeanette

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glee - 27 Oct 2006 17:27 GMT

What about using a third-party boot manager? Can that be easily done *instead* of
using grub, so the installations are independent of each other? I have used
third-party boot managers forever but have not tried using them with Linux yet.

Any links appreciated.

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> Jeanette

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PCR - 27 Oct 2006 19:40 GMT

I'm pretty sure that can be done. Here are 14 BING articles about it...
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/category.php?id=20

The first article there...
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=171
...seems to say you can use both GRUB & BootIt NG, but you must not install Grub
to the MBR. Install it to the Linux partition instead.

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| What about using a third-party boot manager? Can that be easily done *instead* of
| using grub, so the installations are independent of each other? I have used
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glee - 28 Oct 2006 03:33 GMT

Thanks for the links, PCR.

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> I'm pretty sure that can be done. Here are 14 BING articles about it...
> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/category.php?id=20
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PCR - 28 Oct 2006 19:32 GMT

You are welcome. I haven't dabbled in any of that, but looks like it can quickly
be done. Afterwards, it will be 17 years before you can figure Linux itself,
though!

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| Thanks for the links, PCR.
| > I'm pretty sure that can be done. Here are 14 BING articles about it...
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Ivan Bútora - 27 Oct 2006 20:40 GMT

I haven't worked with Linux yet either, but here are two links to freeware
third-party boot managers:

http://www.ranish.com/part/xosl.htm
http://www.bttr-software.de/products/bootmgr/

I have used XOSL in the past, when adding Windows 98 to a Windows 2000 system
and creating a dual-boot setup.

Ivan

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> What about using a third-party boot manager? Can that be easily done
> *instead* of using grub, so the installations are independent of each other?
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glee - 27 Oct 2006 23:05 GMT

I use XOSL here, currently just in a dual-boot Win98SE and WinXP Pro. I quite like
it. In the past I have used Boot magic and it's simple alternative, PQBoot. I have
not used Ranish, nor have I used BING as a boot manager.

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lin - 28 Oct 2006 15:10 GMT

> I use XOSL here, currently just in a dual-boot Win98SE and WinXP Pro. I quite like
> it. In the past I have used Boot magic and it's simple alternative, PQBoot. I have
> not used Ranish, nor have I used BING as a boot manager.
> --

have read all posts, dont see where the o/p's Q got answered.
he/she wanted to know 'why' 98 keeps erasing his/her MBR.
like glee, i too have 98/xp-pro, and i use the manager supplied by xp,
no third party needed.
i am wondering whether 98 is causing o/p's problem or lilo? which mbr
is the causing the problem?
(or is it somewhere else)
lin

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Gary S. Terhune - 28 Oct 2006 18:19 GMT

XP (and 2K and 2K3) boot managers are still difficult to use in a multi-boot
machine where you are creating and destroying various OSes over time. Better
to use a third-party BM that occupies its own partition. Then there's no
concern over having to locate and edit boot.ini every time you want to add a
new OS that *isn't* one of those three NT5 systems. Best, too, to use a BM
that includes partitioning tools, rather than using NT5 disk management
tools or FDISK, or whatever similar tool is included in other OSes.

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Felipe Monteiro - 31 Oct 2006 01:48 GMT

> Dual booting you should install windows 98 first on the first partition,
> then install your version of linux. Install grub to the mbr.

Yes, I did that, except that I use Lilo.

> If you reinstall windows it will over write grub.

I didn´t reinstall windows. The worse that happened was having to pass
scandisk on startup once because it crashed.

And it erased completely my linux partition, not only removed lilo.

I checked this because I had to resize Windows partition again when
reinstalling linux. Linux installed let´s me see the size of all
partitions on disk and I could only see Windows occupying all the disk.

any ideas how to avoid that?

thanks,

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Franc Zabkar - 29 Oct 2006 02:39 GMT

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>Felip

Do you mean that Windows rewrites your MBR *after* it has been
installed, ie not just during the initial setup process? If so, I'd be
looking at your antivirus software.

- Franc Zabkar

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Felipe Monteiro - 31 Oct 2006 01:49 GMT

> Do you mean that Windows rewrites your MBR *after* it has been
> installed, ie not just during the initial setup process?

Yes, that´s correct.

> If so, I'd be looking at your antivirus software.

Will do so, thanks for the hint.

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