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Scott - 28 Jan 2007 06:09 GMT
I have an external USB 80GB Maxtor drive that I use with my Win98
machine for backing up data and Acronis drive images. When doing
the last drive image, it didn't finish, citing "problems with the
media". I did a scandisk on the drive, and it checked out okay.
Is there good diagnostic software for Maxtor drives that will tell
me what condition the drive is in?  I don't want my backup images
to be faulty.

Thanks!
Scott
Gary S. Terhune - 28 Jan 2007 08:58 GMT
Scandisk is one of the *worst* possible ways to diagnose a disk. Have you
checked with Maxtor.com? What is the exact model name of the drive?

It may be that the drive is just fine, but there was a hiccup in the
USB/Firewire connection.

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> I have an external USB 80GB Maxtor drive that I use with my Win98
> machine for backing up data and Acronis drive images. When doing
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> Thanks!
> Scott
ms - 28 Jan 2007 23:46 GMT
"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in news:OFxkMqrQHHA.4744
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> Scandisk is one of the *worst* possible ways to diagnose a disk. Have you
> checked with Maxtor.com? What is the exact model name of the drive?
>
> It may be that the drive is just fine, but there was a hiccup in the
> USB/Firewire connection.

Gary, could you please explain your comment about scandisk? Scandisk/defrag
is AFAIK part of regular disk cleanup.

ms
Gary S. Terhune - 29 Jan 2007 01:08 GMT
Scandisk is just OK for *checking* a drive for basic integrity. But don't
trust its results, and especially don't let it "fix" anything, and don't
expect it to find and/or correctly identify lots of possible problems,
especially where modern hardware is concerned..

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> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in news:OFxkMqrQHHA.4744
> @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
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> ms
ms - 29 Jan 2007 14:50 GMT
"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in news:#K8RGI0QHHA.1016
@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> Scandisk is just OK for *checking* a drive for basic integrity. But don't
> trust its results, and especially don't let it "fix" anything, and don't
> expect it to find and/or correctly identify lots of possible problems,
> especially where modern hardware is concerned..

What would you suggest for findng errors and fixing them?

ms
Gary S. Terhune - 29 Jan 2007 15:46 GMT
You're talking in general terms, right? Well, first comes Scandisk. See what
it says. Simple things, like wrong dates or mis-reported freespace, go ahead
and fix. Anything more serious, ask an expert. Based upon the finding of
Scandisk, the expert will suggest other tests to see what the real problem
may be. There are other tools that are in the same category as Scandisk
(Norton Disk Doctor, for example) that may or may not be "better", but
AFAIC, they should be dealt with the same way.

When it comes to testing the physical drive, including the one known as
Scandisk "thorough", which tests physical clusters, that's a job for the
tools provided or suggested by the drive's manufacturer. If there is any
hint that clusters are starting to go bad, you want to immediately cease use
of the drive until you can retrieve as much of your data as possible.

The danger with all drive tests is that the test and/or the fix will itself
do more harm. File system repairs, for instance, may cascade, with one
"repair" invalidating another FS entry, which when "repaired" invalidates
another entry, etc., etc. With physical problems, the primary danger is that
a cluster that is only marginal may get marked bad and thus unreadable.

In short, other than the simple, common errors like free-space, invalid
names/dates, any error is almost certain to be a serious one, and you should
*FIRST* make sure you've recovered all the data you can off of the drive
before proceeding with attempts to repair. And, when it comes to file system
errors, there are often things an expert can do, manually, that do a far
better and safer job of it than any automated app. Of course, if you've
retrieved your critical data and "don't have anything to lose" by trying an
automated fix, go right ahead. Other than Scandisk, the only other one I've
used regularly is Disk Doctor (2000 era), which I consider better than
Scandisk. Don't know enough about any others to comment.

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> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in news:#K8RGI0QHHA.1016
> @TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
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> ms
ms - 29 Jan 2007 19:10 GMT
> You're talking in general terms, right? Well, first comes Scandisk.
> See what it says. Simple things, like wrong dates or mis-reported
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> Disk Doctor (2000 era), which I consider better than Scandisk. Don't
> know enough about any others to comment.

Thanks, Gary

ms
Gary S. Terhune - 29 Jan 2007 20:49 GMT
YW!

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> > You're talking in general terms, right? Well, first comes Scandisk.
> > See what it says. Simple things, like wrong dates or mis-reported
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> ms
Scott - 29 Jan 2007 09:07 GMT
> Scandisk is one of the *worst* possible ways to diagnose a disk. Have you
> checked with Maxtor.com? What is the exact model name of the drive?
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> > Thanks!
> > Scott

Gary,

Could be. I disconnected the USB2 cable going to a PCI USB/Firewire card
and instead plugged the external drive into the standard USB slot on the
machine. Now, Acronis is making a drive image without a hitch, although it's
going to take 6 hours. Do you think it could be the USB cable or the USB2
card?

Thanks!
Scott
Gary S. Terhune - 29 Jan 2007 14:21 GMT
Either/or, or just the connections, including the slotted one.

Or just a one-time hiccup. There's an awful lot of connections to be made
between the processor to an external HD. Also, that USB1 connection may turn
out to cause problems, particularly if the main system is modern and fast.
Been my experience with Maxtor One-Touch drives (several years old now),
that a connection that slow (USB1) sometimes prompts the system to think
something is wrong with the drive and to suggest "repair" operations. Then
again, I'm dealing with WinXPx64 systems, which have their own quirks.

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> > Scandisk is one of the *worst* possible ways to diagnose a disk. Have you
> > checked with Maxtor.com? What is the exact model name of the drive?
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> Thanks!
> Scott
Scott - 29 Jan 2007 20:13 GMT
> Either/or, or just the connections, including the slotted one.
>
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> > Thanks!
> > Scott

Gary,

As it turned out, making a drive image with the USB1 connection would have worked
(albeit slowly).  The operation proceeded smoothly until 94% complete. Then it
ran out of free disk space on the drive.

Scott
Gary S. Terhune - 29 Jan 2007 20:52 GMT
Yeah, that'll cream a backup/image procedure every time, <s>.

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> Gary,
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> Scott
Les Matthew - 28 Jan 2007 12:01 GMT
> I have an external USB 80GB Maxtor drive that I use with my Win98
> machine for backing up data and Acronis drive images. When doing
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> Thanks!
> Scott

Check here http://tinyurl.com/s2okb

Maxtor downloads top 20 has several different diag progs.

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