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Windows Forum / Windows 98 / General Topics / February 2007Network bindings to TCP/IP dissappeared
This is a duplicate post because I am trying to find the correct place that some one will be able to help fix my system. After several minutes of browsing I get page not found or DNS error and can no longer brows. If I reconnect my old smaller drive in place of the newer drive everything works fine. Comparing the Network settings between both drives I find that the problem one has no bindings listed in the binding window for the 3 Com or the dial up adapters. The one that works has TCP/IP - Dial Up Adapter with the box checked on Dial up Adapter and Dial Up Adapter 2 (VPN). The 3 Com has in the binding window TCP/IP 3 Com Fast EtherLink XL 10/100 Mb TX ... I assume this is what is causing the problem. If so what do I need to do to get these bindings back? I am running Win98SE on an old Dell GX-1 in Arizona with COX Cable. They will not give any assistance to Win 98 users. I would appreciate any help someone can give. Is there a better place to post this? Bill AFAIK the 3Com Fast EtherlinkXL and EtherlinkXL PCI NIC series are not dial-up. From your post I'm taking a stab in the dark that the NIC you have is a 3C905B-TX, Please provide the proper model which you should be able to get from Device Manager. Windows 98 drivers are outdated for the XL series NICs and can be problematic, the 3COM drivers should be installed and not the 98 supplied drivers. There is however a catch to installing the drivers so Windows doesn't detect the card and asks for externally supplied drivers. Windows98/SE must first be installed without the NIC physically installed in the case. After Windows is installed you run the pre-setup file included on the 3COM disks which keeps Windows from detecting the card. Once installed, shut down and physically install the card in the case. Last but least, boot up and install the drivers for the card from the 3COM disks or downloaded files. The XL series NICs originally were provided with 1 set of 2 installation disks. The last time I downloaded the files from 3COM it was a 3 disk set.  SignatureBrian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 > This is a duplicate post because I am trying to find the correct place that > some one will be able to help fix my system. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Bill Thanks for the reply. Your stab in the dark was a good one. DM shows 3Com Fast EtherlinkXL 10/100Mb TX Ethernet NIC (3C905B-TX) and is builtin to the motherboard on this DELL GX-1. Have the original 2 Win95 diskettes that contain a long README. I can send it as an attachment if that is possible on this forum. Please note that I have both the original disk drive and a new larger one that replaced the old. I disconnected the new drive and connected the old and booted up and everything works fine. (It also worked fine for several years with the new drive. The README contains a workaround for the "catch to installing the drivers". Because the NIC is built-in I can't remove it as you said. I don't remember downloading new drivers when I installed 98SE several years ago. (At 78 years old my memory is not what it used to be). The original disk has TCP/IP - Dial Up Adapter with the box checked on Dial up Adapter and Dial Up Adapter 2 (VPN). The 3 Com has in the binding window TCP/IP 3 Com Fast EtherLink XL 10/100 Mb TX etc...The new disk no longer has anything in the bindings window. It is blank in each or the Adapters and TCP/IP windows. I assume this is what is causing the problem. What I think needs to be done is to get these bindings back. Does this make sense to you. Bill > AFAIK the 3Com Fast EtherlinkXL and EtherlinkXL PCI NIC series are not dial-up. > From your post I'm taking a stab in the dark that the NIC you have is a 3C905B-TX, > Please provide the proper model which you should be able to get from Device Manager. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > > > Bill Another stab: That's a Dell OptiPlex GX1? If yes you can get drivers for it here: http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/devices.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&SystemID= PLX_PNT_PII_GX1&os=W98&osl=EN or if link wraps/breaks: http://tinyurl.com/2gfofw You can send me the Readme file: postmaster02 at comcast.net **Change at to the appropriate character. SignatureBrian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 > Thanks for the reply. Your stab in the dark was a good one. DM shows 3Com > Fast EtherlinkXL 10/100Mb TX Ethernet NIC (3C905B-TX) and is builtin to the [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] >> > >> > Bill Something still doesn't add up here, could you send me a screenshots or captures of the Network component/setup/configuration window for each drive. In reality, with the info I have received and looked up doesn't click. You're swapping between 2 separate hard drives with conflicting devices. The smaller older drive reports to have (2) Dialup Adapters, (1) of which is configured for VPN. This setup connects. The larger newer drive reports to have a 3C905B-TX NIC which you mention as being integrated. This setup doesn't connect as it should. You mention two different drives with different hardware drivers installed for at least one device, unless both devices are installed ones not going to work and that would be the one with drivers installed for a device that doesn't exist. I checked the documents for that machine and the 3Com integrated Ethernet is an optional extra, it was not offered as a standard installed device, I can only go by your word that it's included. Issue one is where does the DUN come into play, you haven't mentioned any Modem adapter(s) being installed.Issue two is the two DUN adapters reported and why the VPN, you haven't mentioned being connected to any local/remote network. Issue three, you failed to mention vital information in your posts that you included in the email I received from you. <quote> Just so you know the problem started about a week ago. I had intermittent trouble with Norton AV and ZPRO and OE would stop working. Both Ccapp and Vsmon would be "not responding". Then on first booting up I could only run IE and OE for a few minutes before getting "Can't display or DNS error" type messages. Eventually could not even use either at all. All this time my program Dimension 4 could still reach things like tic/toc and correct my clock time. So it seemed the connection to the internet was working but IE was not able to find any addresses. For a while OE would work even when IE wouldn't. It was only after nothing online would work that I found the Binding window for each Adapter was complete blank. I then remembered that the original drive had a working system and replace my bigger drive with it and that is what I am on now. </quote> What version of Norton AV is installed as well as what I think is ZoneAlarm Pro? From your added information everything falls more into the line of one or both apps are causing the havoc. Both files you mention start on boot, Vsmon is ZoneAlarms True Vector Monitor and Ccapp is NAV's Auto-Protect that runs in the background scanning files as you open them and emails as you download/upload them. Both are known to be problematic, especially the newer versions running on 98/SE where support is fading fast. SignatureBrian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 > Thanks for the reply. Your stab in the dark was a good one. DM shows 3Com > Fast EtherlinkXL 10/100Mb TX Ethernet NIC (3C905B-TX) and is builtin to the [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] >> > >> > Bill Sorry but I tried to be clearer. Lets try again. The two disk drives started out identical. In the process of installing Win98SE on the reformatted larger disk and before reinstalling numerous programs and files I did a Disaster Recovery back up using Stomp Back Up My PC. I then reconnected the smaller original disk reformatted then did a Disaster Recovery to it. Both then worked fine, Thus each one had the same device 3C905B-TX NIC. The cable connector IS on the motherboard. They both have the same Adapters. The two drives being swapped have (or at least had) the same devices. They are being reported the same with the exception that the one that has the problem does not have anything at all in the Binding window. Will work on getting screen shots and send them to you. This should make it clearer. Should I send it as a reply to this message or to the Comcast I used last night? I did have a working VPN on both but it was not being used. (I just received today the updated software for the application to go with the updated SonicWall which was installed last week.) Not sure what DUN is. Issue three I failed to realize that these might be vital information. I apologize. I am not as sharp at 78 years as I used to be. I hope I have explained this better, The Screen shots sure ought to help. Will get then ready for when you tell me how to send. Bill > Something still doesn't add up here, could you send me a screenshots or captures of > the Network component/setup/configuration window for each drive. > In reality, with the info I have received and looked up doesn't click. [quoted text clipped - 119 lines] > >> > > >> > Bill > Sorry but I tried to be clearer. Lets try again. The two disk drives started > out identical. In the process of installing Win98SE on the reformatted [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > screen shots and send them to you. This should make it clearer. Should I > send it as a reply to this message or to the Comcast I used last night? Send to the same as before. We don't want to make usage hard/slow on those with limited bandwith. If possible I'd like to see the main window General tab components, everything in the TCP/IP properties, the device and the driver properties for each in DM. > I did have a working VPN on both but it was not being used. (I just received > today the updated software for the application to go with the updated > SonicWall which was installed last week.) Ok, that clears that up. > Not sure what DUN is. Issue three I failed to realize that these might be > vital information. I apologize. I am not as sharp at 78 years as I used to > be. DUN = Dial Up Network That's definitely vital information especially with the files involved that you mentioned and the programs they associate with. > I hope I have explained this better, The Screen shots sure ought to help. > Will get then ready for when you tell me how to send. We'll see, it's definitely better than swinging a sharp object in the dark. SignatureBrian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 >> Something still doesn't add up here, could you send me a screenshots or > captures of [quoted text clipped - 168 lines] >> >> > >> >> > Bill Ok Bill, here's the deal. As I mentioned earlier your network configuration is toasted. What I suggest you do is: Remove any/all network components, devices and software on the problem drive. Reboot to Safe Mode and remove any/all Network devices that may still be present. Reboot to your normal desktop and if possible stop Windows from reinstalling the devices. Delete all of the Contents in the C:\Windows\Temp folder. Reboot and reinstall the device drivers. I have a few things to take care of and to make it easier for others to help out if you should need it, I should have a page with your graphics uploaded to my site in approx 15mins.: http://basconotw.mvps.org/inq3.htm To all, please take a good look especially at the difference in network properties components. I'm out for a couple hrs, good luck. SignatureBrian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 > Sorry but I tried to be clearer. Lets try again. The two disk drives started > out identical. In the process of installing Win98SE on the reformatted [quoted text clipped - 194 lines] >> >> > >> >> > Bill Thanks Brian, Before I start doing this I want to tell you something that I discovered today. This morning I decided to run sfc on both disks. The result, only one corrupt file (setupx.dll) on each. No other problems reported. After that I decided to see if you had posted an answer since last night but I forgot that I was on the bad system and clicked on OE and lo and behold it came up and downloaded the last weeks messages. I then tried to run IE and it crapped out as before. This time I noticed the cable modem, lights which I did not notice before when trying to run IE. At first the online light started blinking (green) then it went out. Then the send light started to blink and after a number of seconds it went out and the receive light did the same thing. I then shut down the computer and power off everything including the modem, waited a few minutes and rebooted. When I first had this problem I called Cox and they said they couldn't see the modem and for me to shutdown and disconnect everything to the modem then reconnect and the reboot. I did this and everything seemed to be working for a while. Sorry, I did not remember this at the time I started to post to News sites As I said before things would work ok for an hour or so but over several days the time IE (and OE sometimes) would work got shorter and shorter until finally not at all. That's when I really looked for help. Also as this happened it created programs that reported in "Close Window" that they were not responding as well as either freezing or reporting processes that caused an error and would be shut down. Most of the time requiring manual power off. I have had none of this today. Prior to mistakenly starting OE and prior to trying IE I noticed that Norton AV connected to their server and downloaded an update. ZoneAlarm did the same thing and downloaded an update to Spyware checker. Then I clicked on links in messages in Mail and News. Each time it displayed properly the web site. So far everything has been working and I am writing you on the "bad" system. As long as I don't try to use a browser there has not been problem. Not sure if this changes anything but I didn't want to remove all the Network stuff if it might only require one part of it to be fixed. Wishful thinking maybe but it seems that parts of the communications works fine as long as it doesn't do or use whatever the browser does. Does this make any sense? I will await your reply. Bill PS Some of the images you posted only had a small box with a red X. the properties on these show unknown file type. I think they may be the bmp file I sent. Bill > Ok Bill, here's the deal. As I mentioned earlier your network configuration is > toasted. What I suggest you do is: > [quoted text clipped - 210 lines] > >> >> > > >> >> > Bill Hello again, The plot thickens. I wondered if I copied links I want to go to from my Favorites and pasted then into an email message if that would work like links sent me in other emails have. By accident I actually open IE and it worked. I have gone in and out about 10 sites without any hiccup but not while OE or any other application is running Will test that and if causes the problem I will get back. I checked the Network properties and they haven't changed, still an empty window for bindings on some as before. This reminded me of another window that I thought was empty.When I click on Add/Remove Programs the window is blank but there is a slider on the right. Pulling down on it the list of programs begin to appear from below the empty window. Don't understand how these two things relate but thought I should mention it. Also will I need any media to do your suggest fix? I have family obligations tomorrow so will probably not be able to do it until tomorrow night at the earliest. Bill > Thanks Brian, Before I start doing this I want to tell you something that I > discovered today. [quoted text clipped - 317 lines] > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Bill Depending upon what you say about my previous message I would like to do this tomorrow (Monday) when you are available incase I get into real trouble. It sounds pretty simple but that's often when things go wrong. I tested trying to access the internet. It seems that if I first go to OE then click on a link like the web site in your messages then I can surf all over the place. It acts like getting on first without using a browser sets up the right stuff in the Network to make things work. If I start IE first thing it craps out. Also it seems if I don't access a link from email fairly soon after booting it craps out too. Should all the drivers be on the instillation disk? Might I need something from somewhere else? Any other cautions? Would you give me a timeframe when you would most likely be available if needed? Also what time zone are you in? I am in Mountain time. Bill > Hello again, > [quoted text clipped - 383 lines] > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Bill > Depending upon what you say about my previous message I would like to do > this tomorrow (Monday) when you are available incase I get into real [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > craps out. Also it seems if I don't access a link from email fairly soon > after booting it craps out too. Sorry about the delay, something came up that I couldn't neglect. Let's check something real quick. Right click the IE icon on the desktop. Click Properties > Programs tab. Does OE show as you email interneat program? If yes close IE properties and open OE. On the Menu bar click Tools > Options > Connection tab. Does it show OE sharing internet connections with IE? If no, do you have the option to click the button below to have OE/IE share? Before we wind up uninstalling/reinstalling Network components, try an IE Repair first. > Should all the drivers be on the instillation disk? Might I need something > from somewhere else? Any other cautions? Would you give me a timeframe when > you would most likely be available if needed? Also what time zone are you > in? I am in Mountain time. Which installation disk? SignatureBrian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 >> Hello again, >> [quoted text clipped - 434 lines] >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > Bill > > Depending upon what you say about my previous message I would like to do > > this tomorrow (Monday) when you are available incase I get into real [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Does OE show as you email interneat program? YES > If yes close IE properties and open OE. > On the Menu bar click Tools > Options > Connection tab. > Does it show OE sharing internet connections with IE? YES > If no, do you have the option to click the button below to have OE/IE share? > > Before we wind up uninstalling/reinstalling Network components, try an IE Repair > first. I shouldn't have gotten so impatient. I have been the last couple of hours uninstalling/reinstalling Network components. Quite a learning experience. Things didn't happen exactly the way your note suggested. I found no way to stop PNP devices on reboot but after finishing I installed the Cox Installation disk V 1.3.1 that came with the cable modem and here I am. Everything seems to be working nicely but the properties in Network are much simpler with no Dial Up Adapters. Will get a screen shot and send to you but probably not until tomorrow, lots of catching up to do - computer work as well as honeydo list. Also let you know if this setup stays stable. Thanks for all the help. It is greatly appreciated. Not sure where in the country you live but if you ever come to Cape Cod I would like to buy you a big steak dinner. I will be leaving Arizona in April sometime for the Cape. Bill > > Should all the drivers be on the instillation disk? Might I need something > > from somewhere else? Any other cautions? Would you give me a timeframe when [quoted text clipped - 441 lines] > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > Bill > This is a duplicate post because I am trying to find the correct place > that some one will be able to help fix my system. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Bill I don't know if you removing your bindings would cause your problem or not, but I can give you a link that tells you how your W98 bindings should be, but it's quite a read since this person really gets into explaining things. ...the process is simple - but tricky, and long winded wording. page1 http://www.grc.com/su-bondage.htm page2 http://www.grc.com/su-rebinding9x.htm 4 years ago I made some notes to myself from this persons page to try and make it easier for me anyway to do it on the fly next time, and here's a copy/paste of what I wrote to myself back then, but remember it's with my own devices names and so yours mostlikely will be different - and so just mentally substitute yours: Read the websites links above for more details of the why's ~~~~~~~~~ copy/paste of 'my' old notes ...and so remember - YMMV. ~~~~~~~~~ To install NetBEUI first so that things don't disappear! Go to: Start> Settings> Control Panel> Network or Desktop> Network Neighborhood> Network ..if there is no NetBEUI listed in that list there then click the: Add> Protocol> Add> Microsoft> Net BEUI ..click O.K. At the same time now checking Properties on the other listings there: Client for MS Networks = (mine is set to quick logon) MS Family Logon = none DialUp Adapter = Properties> Bindings: check: NetBEUI & TCP/IP Intel Pro 100 = Properties> Bindings: check: NetBEUI & TCP/IP NetBEUI Dialup Adpater = Properties> Bindings: check: MS Family Logon & Client for MS Networks NetBEUI Intel Pro 100 = Properties> Bindings: check: MS Family Logon & Client for MS Networks *TCP/TP Dialup Adpater = Properties> Bindings: Uncheck: MS Family Logon & Client for MS Networks *TCP/TP Intel Pro 100 = Properties> Bindings: Uncheck: MS Family Logon & Client for MS Networks *When checking properties on TCP/TP - you only can click OK on that generic prompt, and also note that when you click "OK" after unbinding everything, a windows prompt will warn you that you "have not selected any drivers to bind with." Be sure to just click "NO" to proceed. On the File & Print Sharing button - those should be unchecked until you need to share files locally ..now it will want you to reboot. Rick Thanks Rick for responding, The articles were very interesting and educational. They, however, do not relate directly to my problem which is, as stated below, that the windows for binding are completely blank, no box etc to check when booting from the newer drive. The older drive boots with these windows displaying the proper info. Bill > > This is a duplicate post because I am trying to find the correct place > > that some one will be able to help fix my system. [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > Rick > Thanks Rick for responding, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Bill Your welcome, and when I replied to your first post I thought you just fiddled with your network settings and things disappeared, and so that page talks about how doing the wrong thing causes that the disappearance and how to get it back, but after speed reading all your next posts to Brian is where the rest of your story comes out and so it's different than what I had first though, but Brian is more than capable to help you solve your current problem and hopefully you will have it back in order in no time, even if it means reinstalling a few things, or everything. All the best, Rick |
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