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rubyjack - 18 Apr 2007 00:16 GMT
I am at my wit's end.  Posted in one networking NG, but I got no response.
So, I was hoping the friendly folks here might be able to help me or point
me to a NG that might be more responsive.

Here's the problem:  I can't get either of my two computers to see each
other on the network.  However, I did have it working just fine with file
sharing galore.

The System:  A Speadstream 6520 router/modem is the access point.  One
computer is running W2000sp4, and the other computer runs W98SE.  Both
computers are hardwired, with ethernet cards to the router.

I have checked at least the following:  1) Network ID is WORKGROUP for both
computers.  2) Both computers have file/printer sharing turned on, and a
variety of folders, drives, and printers have had sharing enabled.  3) The
W2000sp4 has the user name of the W98SE computer configured with no
password.  The W98SE does not use user log-on but does have a password setup
for full access.  4)  Tried following MS Networking guide as much as
possible, but it is designed for XP/Vista.  5) Tried the suggestions on a
couple of other sites, but to no avail.

At this point:  If someone could point me in the right direction, I'd
appreciate it.  Even if I just got the information to remove all network
configurations, so I could start over by scratch, step-by-step, it might let
me fix the problem.

I really need to set up this network, as I will be adding a second W98SE
computer.  And both W98SE computers have small hard drives, and I want to be
able to store data, programs, and backups on the much larger W2000K machine.

I may not be bright, but I'm willing to learn,
Dan Hacker

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John John - 18 Apr 2007 01:24 GMT
You are not telling us what the problem is or what sort of error
messages you are getting so it's hard for us to give you focused
information.  A few things that you should keep in mind and adhere to:

1-  Completely turn off all firewalls while you attempt to setup the
network.

2-  Use a common protocol and use the fewest protocols possible.  You
should be able to use TCP/IP only, NetBEUI is seldom required.

3-  *Use* *authenticated* *logons* on the Windows 98 box!  Assign
usernames and *passwords*!  Use logons on the Windows 98 box!  Windows
2000 is a secure operating system that requires proper credentials and
authentication in order to access it's resources.  Don't try to bypass
this on the Windows 98 computer.

4-  Create user accounts with identical usernames and passwords on the
Windows 2000 computer.

Try these for more help and information:

http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/w2kwin9x.html
http://chicagotech.net/

John

> I am at my wit's end.  Posted in one networking NG, but I got no response.
> So, I was hoping the friendly folks here might be able to help me or point
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> I may not be bright, but I'm willing to learn,
> Dan Hacker
rubyjack - 19 Apr 2007 06:34 GMT
Thanks for trying to help!

It will take me a couple of days to gather all the info you asked from both
machines.  And at the same time I will be checking out the links you sent me
to see if I can figure it out myself.

TTYL,
Dan

> You are not telling us what the problem is or what sort of error
> messages you are getting so it's hard for us to give you focused
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
> > I may not be bright, but I'm willing to learn,
> > Dan Hacker
rebel - 18 Apr 2007 06:42 GMT
>I am at my wit's end.  Posted in one networking NG, but I got no response.
>So, I was hoping the friendly folks here might be able to help me or point
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>other on the network.  However, I did have it working just fine with file
>sharing galore.

Two questions come to mind.

"Did have it working" - what changed?

How are IP addresses assigned?
rubyjack - 19 Apr 2007 06:34 GMT
Thanks for the reply!

I don't remember tweaking anything in the network setup.  The only thing
that I can think of that changed and might be relevant is I updated the mobo
drivers on the W98SE machine.

I thought addresses were assigned by the Post Office ::grin::   I am not
certain that I understand your question.  But I think they are "auto" set,
perhaps by the router/ISP?

I appreciate your help,
Dan

> >I am at my wit's end.  Posted in one networking NG, but I got no response.
> >So, I was hoping the friendly folks here might be able to help me or point
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> How are IP addresses assigned?
MEB - 18 Apr 2007 07:13 GMT
| I am at my wit's end.  Posted in one networking NG, but I got no response.
| So, I was hoping the friendly folks here might be able to help me or point
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
| other on the network.  However, I did have it working just fine with file
| sharing galore.

Here's a basic reference page with some hints:

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm

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| The System:  A Speadstream 6520 router/modem is the access point.  One
| computer is running W2000sp4, and the other computer runs W98SE.  Both
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
| I may not be bright, but I'm willing to learn,
| Dan Hacker
rubyjack - 19 Apr 2007 06:34 GMT
WOW!  I've seen you help people!  I am in ecstasy that you replied.

It will take me a few days (you know how life intrudes on computing) to run
down the information in these links.  I will let you know if/what fix I
find, or pick your brains some more.

Thanks,
Dan Hacker

> | I am at my wit's end.  Posted in one networking NG, but I got no response.
> | So, I was hoping the friendly folks here might be able to help me or point
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> | I may not be bright, but I'm willing to learn,
> | Dan Hacker
Brian A. - 20 Apr 2007 00:39 GMT
>I am at my wit's end.  Posted in one networking NG, but I got no response.
> So, I was hoping the friendly folks here might be able to help me or point
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> I may not be bright, but I'm willing to learn,
> Dan Hacker

Right click My Network Places on the Desktop.
Click Properties.
Right click Local Area Connection.
Click Properties.

Under "This connection uses....."
Click "Client for MS Networks".
Click Properties.
Select "Windows Locator" from the dropdown box.
Click Ok.

Scroll to and select Internet Protocol (TCP/IP).
Click Properties.

Under the General tab make sure "Obtain an IP address automatically" is selected.
Click the Advanced button.

Under the DNS tab:
Selected "Append Primary and Parent  DNS suffixes.
Register this connections address in DNS"

Under the WINS tab > NetBIOS:
Selected Default.
Ok out of MNP.

Reboot if required.
Open a command prompt, click Start > Run, type in:  cmd  and press Enter.
At the prompt type each command below and press Enter after each.
**Note:  Command noted by =,  Space noted by ^.  Do not type the = or ^.

=ping ^ 192.168.1.1      *Routers IP, change as necessary.
If it times out then there is no communication between the router and machine.
If not then the machine communicates with the router.

=ping ^ google.com
If it times out then there is no connection to the net.
If not then net connection is established and all is well.

ping 127.0.0.1
If it fails it may be a TCP/IP stack problem.

Ping each computer from the other using the UNC:
=ping ^ computername
If it fails either way there's an IP or Name resolution problem.

If pinging times out on any address, to see if the  machines IP is correct along with
other settings.
= ipconfig ^ /all
If anything isn't correct, at the prompt type and press Enter after each command (98
may be different):

=ipconfig ^ /release
=ipconfig ^ /flushdns
=ipconfig ^ /renew
=ipconfig ^ /registerdns
=exit
If that fails reopen the command prompt, run release and flushdns only and exit.

Shut down the machine.
Pull the power from the router.
Pull the power from the modem.
Wait approx 30 secs.
Apply power to the modem and wait for it to finish synchronizing with the cable.
Apply power to the router and wait for it to finish synchronizing with the modem.
Power up the machine.
The machine should now be assigned a new IP from the router.
Run ipconfig or attempt net connection to test.

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rubyjack - 22 Apr 2007 01:16 GMT
Could you be a bit more specific?  You seem a little vague here :-)

This should be a big help.  'Tho it will take awhile to wade through.

Thanks much,
Dan

> >I am at my wit's end.  Posted in one networking NG, but I got no response.
> > So, I was hoping the friendly folks here might be able to help me or point
[quoted text clipped - 96 lines]
> The machine should now be assigned a new IP from the router.
> Run ipconfig or attempt net connection to test.
rubyjack - 24 Apr 2007 05:29 GMT
> > The System:  A Speadstream 6520 router/modem is the access point.  One
> > computer is running W2000sp4, and the other computer runs W98SE.  Both
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Under the General tab make sure "Obtain an IP address automatically" is selected.
> Click the Advanced button.

Was done.

> Under the DNS tab:
> Selected "Append Primary and Parent  DNS suffixes.
> Register this connections address in DNS"

Append was checked.  Not sure about what you mean when you say, "Register this connections address in DNS."

> Under the WINS tab > NetBIOS:
> Selected Default.
> Ok out of MNP.

I left "Use NetBios setting from the DHCP server" checked.

Windows 2000 IP Configuration

       Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : kaye_monks
       Primary DNS Suffix  . . . . . . . :
       Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
       IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
       WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
       DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : domain.invalid

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

       Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : domain.invalid
       Description . . . . . . . . . . . : VIA PCI 10/100Mb Fast Ethernet Adapt
er #2
       Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-07-95-C8-F1-5E
       DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
       Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
       IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.254.5
       Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
       Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.254.254
       DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.254.254
       DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.254.254
                                           192.168.254.254
       Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Monday, April 23, 2007 7:29:59 AM
       Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, January 18, 2038 9:14:07 PM

> =ping ^ 192.168.1.1      *Routers IP, change as necessary.
> If it times out then there is no communication between the router and machine.
> If not then the machine communicates with the router.

Pinged 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.254.6 and timed out.  Pinged 192.168.254.254 and got replies.
BTW, should Primary DNS Suffix  . . . . . . . : be blank?  Should DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : domain.invalid be an invalid domain?

> =ping ^ google.com
> If it times out then there is no connection to the net.
> If not then net connection is established and all is well.

Pinged fine.

> ping 127.0.0.1
> If it fails it may be a TCP/IP stack problem.

Pinged fine.

> Ping each computer from the other using the UNC:
> =ping ^ computername
> If it fails either way there's an IP or Name resolution problem.

No ping.

> If pinging times out on any address, to see if the  machines IP is correct along with
> other settings.
> = ipconfig ^ /all

See above.

> If anything isn't correct, at the prompt type and press Enter after each command (98
> may be different):
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> =exit
> If that fails reopen the command prompt, run release and flushdns only and exit.

I did this.

> Shut down the machine.
> Pull the power from the router.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> The machine should now be assigned a new IP from the router.
> Run ipconfig or attempt net connection to test.

Did this too, but no-can-see...............

Results on the W98SE machine were similar.

Thanks for your help, and I hope you can figure out what I'm doing wrong.  BTW, the Speedstream is a router/modem.

Dan Hacker
Brian A. - 25 Apr 2007 08:23 GMT
> > The System:  A Speadstream 6520 router/modem is the access point.  One
> > computer is running W2000sp4, and the other computer runs W98SE.  Both
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Under the General tab make sure "Obtain an IP address automatically" is selected.
> Click the Advanced button.

Was done.

> Under the DNS tab:
> Selected "Append Primary and Parent  DNS suffixes.
> Register this connections address in DNS"

Append was checked.  Not sure about what you mean when you say, "Register this
connections address in DNS."

 It's another checkbox, yet it's in XP and may not be in W2K.

> Under the WINS tab > NetBIOS:
> Selected Default.
> Ok out of MNP.

I left "Use NetBios setting from the DHCP server" checked.

Windows 2000 IP Configuration

       Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : kaye_monks
       Primary DNS Suffix  . . . . . . . :
       Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
       IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
       WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
       DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : domain.invalid

Valid characters in a domain name are alphanumeric characters and dash (-).  The dash
cannot be at the beginning or end of a domain name.

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

       Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : domain.invalid
       Description . . . . . . . . . . . : VIA PCI 10/100Mb Fast Ethernet Adapt
er #2
       Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-07-95-C8-F1-5E
       DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
       Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
       IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.254.5
       Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
       Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.254.254
       DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.254.254
       DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.254.254
                                           192.168.254.254
       Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Monday, April 23, 2007 7:29:59 AM
       Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, January 18, 2038 9:14:07 PM

> =ping ^ 192.168.1.1      *Routers IP, change as necessary.
> If it times out then there is no communication between the router and machine.
> If not then the machine communicates with the router.

Pinged 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.254.6 and timed out.  Pinged 192.168.254.254 and got
replies.
BTW, should Primary DNS Suffix  . . . . . . . : be blank?  Should DNS Suffix Search
List. . . . . . : domain.invalid be an invalid domain?

 Pinging 192.168.1.1 will timeout if it isn't part of your subnet.
Pinging 192.168.254.6 will timeout if it's not assigned to a machine.
Domain.invalid means you have illegal characters in the domain name.

> =ping ^ google.com
> If it times out then there is no connection to the net.
> If not then net connection is established and all is well.

Pinged fine.

> ping 127.0.0.1
> If it fails it may be a TCP/IP stack problem.

Pinged fine.

> Ping each computer from the other using the UNC:
> =ping ^ computername
> If it fails either way there's an IP or Name resolution problem.

No ping.

> If pinging times out on any address, to see if the  machines IP is correct along
> with
> other settings.
> = ipconfig ^ /all

See above.

> If anything isn't correct, at the prompt type and press Enter after each command
> (98
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> =exit
> If that fails reopen the command prompt, run release and flushdns only and exit.

I did this.

> Shut down the machine.
> Pull the power from the router.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> The machine should now be assigned a new IP from the router.
> Run ipconfig or attempt net connection to test.

Did this too, but no-can-see...............

Results on the W98SE machine were similar.

Thanks for your help, and I hope you can figure out what I'm doing wrong.  BTW, the
Speedstream is a router/modem.

Dan Hacker

Signature

Brian A. Sesko   { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts:  http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question:  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

 
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