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ms - 26 May 2007 23:54 GMT

Old W98 machine, history unknown.

Bootup seems normal, I see "initializing MBA"- what does this mean?

I see desktop, then immediately go to Settings/Control Panel ---- but
error screen stops me, message:

fatal exception OE 0028: C18E0C19 in VXD NAVEX15 (02)
* 0004CF99 application will be terminated.

My intent was to go into Device Manager and see if there are problems.
Then start uninstalling some of the usual garbage people have running on
their machines.

I tried a W98 boot disk, in A, it "can't run scandisk C: ???

Then I tried to change to C,-"invalid drive specification" ???

I'm sure windows is loaded on C, so am I seeing a drive overlay program?

Several issues:
Error screen early, stops me from cleaning up the machine

Can't run scandisk

Can't see C

Advice?

ms

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Nigel Stapley - 27 May 2007 01:10 GMT

> Old W98 machine, history unknown.
>
> Bootup seems normal, I see "initializing MBA"- what does this mean?

Sure it says 'MBA', not 'MBR'?

If it's 'MBR', there's something wrong with the Master Boot Record.

If it's 'MBA', you're about to be patronised by someone who thinks that
having a diploma means he knows how to run a business. :-)

> I see desktop, then immediately go to Settings/Control Panel ---- but
> error screen stops me, message:
>
> fatal exception OE 0028: C18E0C19 in VXD NAVEX15 (02)
> * 0004CF99 application will be terminated.

That looks like a Norton file to me. Will it let you see if Norton is
installed and, if so, will it let you *uninstall* it?

HTH

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Jeff Richards - 27 May 2007 02:24 GMT

Initialising MBA means that the machine has been configured with a managed
boot agent. If it initialises OK then it won't affect the system (was this
machine previously part of a corporate network?). However it might be the
reason that a floppy boot won't give access to the C drive.

If you boot to floppy and run FDISK, can you see the hard drive?

Any machine that has had Norton Anti Virus installed and which is now not
working should only be restored by wiping the drive clean and starting over.
I'm sure there are other ways to fix it, but they aren't worth the trouble.

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> Old W98 machine, history unknown.
>
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> ms

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ms - 27 May 2007 14:52 GMT

> Initialising MBA means that the machine has been configured with a
> managed boot agent. If it initialises OK then it won't affect the
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> starting over. I'm sure there are other ways to fix it, but they
> aren't worth the trouble.

Thanks, Jeff. I did see in bootup some network commment. Also a config
comment line mentioning NAV, so it must be running. It does initialize
OK, though before the error message.

I could run Fdisk, but that cleans the hd, OK by me, but that also
removes the drivers. Due to the quick error screen, I have no chance to
save the drivers on a floppy disk.

From past experience here, I know how difficult it is to locate drivers.

Advice?

ms

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Don Phillipson - 27 May 2007 15:34 GMT

> I could run Fdisk, but that cleans the hd, OK by me, but that also
> removes the drivers. Due to the quick error screen, I have no chance to
> save the drivers on a floppy disk.

1. FDISK does nothing automatically. You make
any changes you want, but FDISK writes them to
the disk only when you reboot: so you can go in
via FDISK, explore what you want, and back out
leaving the drive unchanged.
2. With an unknown old PC, we do not need to
copy old drivers if newer ones can be downloaded
from manufacturers.
3. A fast way to salvage an old PC is to swap
hard drives, i.e. (if there are two HDDs) exchange
them to make the other one C, or add a second
HDD as C: and instal Win98 anew to the new C:.
The old HDD automatically becomes D (because
it is also partitioned by FDISK as Primary DOS,
although the PC expects only one Pri DOS partition)
and you can the easily copy from it whatever you
judge essential.

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ms - 28 May 2007 00:39 GMT

>> I could run Fdisk, but that cleans the hd, OK by me, but that also
>> removes the drivers. Due to the quick error screen, I have no chance to
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> via FDISK, explore what you want, and back out
> leaving the drive unchanged.

Thanks, Don. in Fdisk to "explore what you want" is new to me, will look
in my info on Fdisk.

> 2. With an unknown old PC, we do not need to
> copy old drivers if newer ones can be downloaded
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> and you can the easily copy from it whatever you
> judge essential.

I have another hard drive I can add, it is presently set up as Slave, I
will look up how to change it to Master, but if I add it into the cable
harness, when I boot up, does BIOS automatically recognize a new hard
drive?

How can I add the new drive as C?

ms

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dadiOH - 28 May 2007 12:30 GMT

> I have another hard drive I can add, it is presently set up as
> Slave, I will look up how to change it to Master,

Look at the diagram on the back/top of the drive.
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> but if I add it
> into the cable harness, when I boot up, does BIOS automatically
> recognize a new hard drive?

Yes
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> How can I add the new drive as C?

1. Unplug IDE cable from old drive
2. Plug same IDE connection into new drive
3. Plug remaining IDE cable connection into old drive

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ms - 28 May 2007 14:38 GMT

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in news:uvpxutRoHHA.4428
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

>> I have another hard drive I can add, it is presently set up as
>> Slave, I will look up how to change it to Master,
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> 2. Plug same IDE connection into new drive
> 3. Plug remaining IDE cable connection into old drive

Thanks, dadiOH

ms

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ms - 28 May 2007 14:40 GMT

I realize you meant what partitions you create, by "explore what you want".

ms

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Gary S. Terhune - 28 May 2007 17:19 GMT

>>> I could run Fdisk, but that cleans the hd, OK by me, but that also
>>> removes the drivers. Due to the quick error screen, I have no chance to
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> I realize you meant what partitions you create, by "explore what you
> want".

I think what he meant is to use option 4 in FDISK. That simply shows what
you have now. It doesn't change anything.

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ms - 31 May 2007 00:38 GMT

> Old W98 machine, history unknown.
>
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> ms

I was hoping to post some results soon, but life intrudes on computing at
times. So thanks to all for the help, I have a spare hard drive I have to
look at, than may swap it into this machine, if possible save the
drivers, than Fdisk, format, go from there.

If Gary sees this, awhile ago I was leery of opening the case, now with
about 4 machines in disassembly here, it's just which ever cleans up
first.

ms

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Gary S. Terhune - 31 May 2007 03:34 GMT

LOL...

I'm in the process of sorting through my ROOM FULL of machines and parts,
taking some to the recycler (dead monitors, etc.) but mostly parting them
out. At least a dozen of them, though it's now hard to count. Whenever
anyone in my family upgraded, I got the old one, and I have a fairly large
extended family and they all have their own computers. But now I need the
room back so I can quit sleeping on the couch. My daughter needed the large
bedroom I'd been using part time. (Second residence -- I spend most of my
time elsewhere.) When winter hits and I don't have anything to do, I'm going
to put together as many systems as I can from parts, give them to little old
ladies on pensions (LOLs make up the bulk of my "client" list.)

Glad to hear you've overcome your shyness in re digging into the boxes. Just
remember that static electricity is your worst enemy. Always ground yourself
to the box as continuously as you can, or use a grounding strap.

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> If Gary sees this, awhile ago I was leery of opening the case, now with
> about 4 machines in disassembly here, it's just which ever cleans up
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>
> ms

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