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lutra - 27 Jun 2007 22:56 GMT

Hello! I have ADOBE ACROBAT(4.0) on my system. I don't use it that often.
Just on occasion I may need to print off a PDF file. But recently noticed
that it is 4.0 and possibly need an upgrade. What do you recommend? It it
necessary?

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Franc Zabkar - 27 Jun 2007 23:32 GMT

>Hello! I have ADOBE ACROBAT(4.0) on my system. I don't use it that often.
>Just on occasion I may need to print off a PDF file. But recently noticed
>that it is 4.0 and possibly need an upgrade. What do you recommend? It it
>necessary?

I believe that Acrobat Reader version 6.01 is the last supported
version for Windows 98:

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/acrrsystemreqs.html

BTW, you can dramatically reduce the startup time by disabling
unnecessary plugins:

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Office-tools/PDF/Adobe-Reader-SpeedUp.shtml

- Franc Zabkar

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thanatoid - 28 Jun 2007 06:39 GMT

> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:56:02 -0700, lutra
> <lutra@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard
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> - Franc Zabkar

I happily used Acrobat 3 until I installed Fox Reader
(http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php) which is 20
times smaller, faster, and easier to use, and have never looked
back.
(I got it when it was completely free for home use. The basic
version is still free, there are some add-ons which you have to
pay for but it does not sound like you would need them.)

Whatever minor advantages might come with Acrobat 6 vs 4 are
probably not worth the bother. And I really do not like the fact
that Acrobat just about doubles in size with every release.

Acrobat Reader 2 (1.4 MB)
Acrobat Reader 3 (3.9 MB)
Acrobat Reader 4 (5.2 MB)
Acrobat Reader 4.05 (5.5 MB)
Acrobat Reader 5.0 (8.4 MB)
Acrobat Reader 5.0.5 (8.6 MB)
Acrobat Reader 5.1 (13.0 MB)
Acrobat Reader 6.0 (15.9 MB)
Acrobat Reader 6.01 (16.3 MB)
Acrobat Reader 7.05 (31.5 MB) <=== !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Acrobat Reader 7.07 (20.2 MB)
Acrobat Reader 7.08 (20.3 MB)
Acrobat Reader 7.0.9 (20.2 MB)

(Copied - minus sign of outrage - from www.oldversion.com -
which, BTW, has the older versions of Fox Reader as well).

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Franc Zabkar - 28 Jun 2007 07:27 GMT

>> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:56:02 -0700, lutra
>> <lutra@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard
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>(Copied - minus sign of outrage - from www.oldversion.com -
>which, BTW, has the older versions of Fox Reader as well).

I used and recommended Foxit for quite a while but in the end I went
back to Adobe because I encountered too many bugs, including printing
problems. To make matters worse, Foxit's author(s) didn't seem really
interested in fixing them.

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thanatoid - 28 Jun 2007 19:15 GMT

<SNIP>

> I used and recommended Foxit for quite a while but in the
> end I went back to Adobe because I encountered too many
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> - Franc Zabkar

Could be. I use it very infrequently. Maybe try the new version?

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lb - 28 Jun 2007 21:25 GMT

> <SNIP>
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> Everyone who installs Vista is insane.

I keep Adobe 5.05 as my default reader using Reader Speedup. I also
have a copy of Foxit on my computer if I were to have issues with 5.05
reading a newer file type. Has not happened so far, I had to go from
4.0 to 5.05 to get Turbo Tax to work. I do not even try to print with
Foxit.

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rubyjack - 29 Jun 2007 03:50 GMT

Do you know where I could get a copy of v5.05 (or there abouts)?

Thanks,
Dan

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> 4.0 to 5.05 to get Turbo Tax to work. I do not even try to print with
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Daave - 29 Jun 2007 04:12 GMT

> Do you know where I could get a copy of v5.05 (or there abouts)?

ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/win/5.x/ar505enu.exe

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rubyjack - 29 Jun 2007 17:11 GMT

Many thanks, Daave. I have spent several hours at Adobe and in Google
trying to find just such a link. And now I can find all kinds of Adobe
files.

Dan

> > Do you know where I could get a copy of v5.05 (or there abouts)?
>
> ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/win/5.x/ar505enu.exe

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Daave - 29 Jun 2007 18:01 GMT

> Many thanks, Daave. I have spent several hours at Adobe and in Google
> trying to find just such a link. And now I can find all kinds of
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>> ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/win/5.x/ar505enu.exe

You're welcome.

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Franc Zabkar - 28 Jun 2007 22:57 GMT

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>Could be. I use it very infrequently. Maybe try the new version?

Version 2.0? That's the one with the problems. :-(

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thanatoid - 29 Jun 2007 02:39 GMT

> On 28 Jun 2007 18:15:48 GMT, thanatoid
> <waiting@the.exit.invalid> put finger to keyboard and
> composed:

>>Maybe try the new version?
>
> Version 2.0? That's the one with the problems. :-(

I have 1.3 Beta build 0429. Aside from being easier to use (the
shortcuts in Acrobat never could stick in my mind), it seemed to
be definitely faster and less buggy than acrobat 4, above which
I did not want to go since as a rule I do not believe anything
above ver. 4 is worth the bloat (new technology or hardware
compatibility SOMETIMES being an acceptable excuse). Sometimes
it seems authors purposely withhold basic features just to make
people buy a newer version later.

I DL'd ver. 2 last night while answering the questions, and from
what you are saying, it sounds like I would be better off not
even bothering to install it...

Any additional comments welcome - I know you are a man of few
(but VERY useful) words.

Regards
t.

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Franc Zabkar - 30 Jun 2007 00:32 GMT

>I DL'd ver. 2 last night while answering the questions, and from
>what you are saying, it sounds like I would be better off not
>even bothering to install it...
>
>Any additional comments welcome ...

I tried to print a particular crossword again last night using Foxit
Reader 2.0. It errored my machine twice, but in different ways. The
first time the machine hung, the second time there was a "spooler
error". This spooler error renders my printer unusable until after a
reboot.

This is the problem document (3MB):
http://www.mojaslovenija.net/upload/krizanka_mojaslovenija_junij.pdf

In the past when I was able to print similar documents, they came out
striated. Acrobat has never had a problem with them.

Other problems I had with version 1.3 were an inability to display
certain symbols (or was it dimensions?) in technical documents, and I
don't mean Asian fonts. I saw others with the same problem at the
Foxit forum.

Another annoyance is that Foxit launches a separate instance of itself
for each PDF instead of a single instance, as does Acrobat.

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thanatoid - 30 Jun 2007 03:19 GMT

> On 29 Jun 2007 01:39:43 GMT, thanatoid
> <waiting@the.exit.invalid> put finger to keyboard and
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> - Franc Zabkar

Thanks for your comments. I run into this damn Windows spooler
problem almost every time I print, no matter what application,
but I have just learned to live with having to reboot - often
more than once - almost every time I use the printer - which,
thankfully, is only about once a month. (In my own tiny world, I
HAVE actually managed to go practically "paperless".)

The inability to display certain things properly was something I
noticed even with Acrobat, and I just took it as an imperfection
in (IMO) one of the most amazing developments in computer
programming. It may well have been fixed in later versions, but
I sure as heck wasn't going to DL a 30MB new version just to
find out whether I would no longer have to spend hours (grin)
figuring out whether maÇl stood for mail or mall.

I have a little Adobe book touting the then-new PDF format from
over ten years ago, and it's an interesting publication
(although of course, a little heavy on the sell side), but it
was when I made a small PageMaker document with FORMATTED text
in a weird font, a photo, and some grey blocks, and the PDF was
CONSIDERABLY (like half or smth) smaller than the txt file and
the jpg file together (with NO quality loss of course), that
really blew my mind. I don't know HOW they do it but it is just
amazing. In fact one of my many frustrations is that it is such
a fantastic format and for a variety of reasons I almost never
get to use it. It's like having a great toy which you are NOT
allowed to use.

I'll DL the crossword and print it next time my printer is on,
just out of curiosity. We'll see how Fox on 95B with 64MB of RAM
handles it ;-) I never uninstalled Acrobat 4 so will see how
THAT one handles it, too. (I have a feeling it's not going to be
pretty, as they say.)

Will let you know - I know it's not that interesting, but I have
a lot of time.

Regards
t.

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Daave - 29 Jun 2007 02:48 GMT

>> <SNIP>
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> Version 2.0? That's the one with the problems. :-(

And I have occasional problems printing with 1.3. :-(

Still, Foxit is my default PDF reader. If I need to print *and* if I run
into problems, then I fire up Adobe.

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MEB - 29 Jun 2007 08:15 GMT

Just an FYI:

Adobe 6.0.6 - 01-08-07, is the apparent last version/update.

To get to this version start with the 6.0.2 full install and update via its
Update feature.
It will need to run Java [includes its own version].
Very bulky, lots of memory required when running..

How bulky? Downloads at:
35,575 KB for the 6.0.2 full,
and the updates at:
1,778 for 6.0.3;
1,048 for 6.0.4;
2,869 for 6.0.5; and
989 for 6.0.6.

Installs at 96.4 megs including the updates.

Yeah Foxit works for most functions, but note it now has a paid version as
well, so your running crippleware.

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