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Microsoft Sets Up Digital Manners Police
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MEB - 26 Jun 2008 07:11 GMT Hmm, seems Microsoft may not be content with the present DRM technology, seems intent on extending device control.
Whatcha tink???
http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/06/13/microsoft-sets-up-digital-manners-police
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thanatoid - 26 Jun 2008 06:50 GMT > Hmm, seems Microsoft may not be content with the present > DRM technology, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/06/13/microsoft-sets- > up-digital-manners-police I hate the direction this world is taking. 1984 is going to look like a nursery rhyme in a few years.
150 years ago food was real. Most stuff in supermarkets today isn't even food. If you tasted a tomato or a piece of roast beef or real bread from 150 years ago you'd get a stroke just from realizing what you have been ingesting all your life.
100 years ago there was cocaine in Coca-Cola and no one died or ended up addicted because of it. You could get morphine if you wanted to, and few people died because of it.
50 years ago you could smoke anywhere you wanted, and the world was a much better place.
Cancer, like most of everything, is GENETIC. There are people who smoke 3 packs a day and live to be a 100. And there are people who get lung cancer at 25 never having smoked a cigarette in their life.
California is planning to make /normal/ filament light bulbs ILLEGAL! WHAT the f.ck is going on?????????
Under the guise of "citizen protection", soon we will be told which brand of toilet paper is allowed so as not to 'harm' our goddamn buttholes!
There are people who want to forbid smoking OUT IN THE OPEN AIR, you can no longer get medications which some very ill people depended on for pain etc, and as your link and all the other "features" MS/NSA have been planning/implementing suggest, the worst is yet to come.
You HAVE heard of what just happened in Sweden? S W E D E N !!!!! I thought it was joke when I first heard of it!
It all started with smoking. You have a bigger chance of dying next time you cross the street than of getting lung cancer from smoking. OK, /maybe/ not, but still, it is MY life to live the way I want to.
Or at least, it USED TO BE.
I am ///not/// a smoker, but I think the idea of banning smoking in nightclubs and restaurants was INSANE. Yes, MOST people don't smoke, but virtually EVERY person who goes to nightclubs, and most people who go to restaurants, DO SMOKE - SO DO MOST OF THE EMPLOYEES.
Not to mention that if the only job you can get is as a dishwasher or waiter, you have bigger problems. There also exist VERY efficient air conditioning systems so no air has to enter the kitchen area AT ALL.
When this idiotic law was introduced in Vancouver, many smaller restaurants were simply forced to close since no one came any more. Nightclub attendance dropped significantly. And now the insanity is spreading world-wide!
Might as well just move to Singapore (I believe that's where they publicly lynched an American guy for spitting his gum out on the sidewalk).
I am SO glad it will soon be all over for me.
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Angus Rodgers - 26 Jun 2008 14:31 GMT >WHAT the f.ck is going on????????? Search me! I pay as little attention to the growing idiocy as I think I can get away with.
>You HAVE heard of what just happened in Sweden? No. Like I just said, I haven't been paying attention. :-)
>S W E D E N !!!!! >I thought it was joke when I first heard of it! I'm a newbie here, I already seem to have caused some annoyance, and this is all OT, so I hope I will be forgiven for asking, but - please clue me in! (A quick URL should do it.)
>I am SO glad it will soon be all over for me. If the smoking don't get you, ASH will? :-)
As I recently wrote on a BBC message board, after the most imbecilic act of knee-jerk censorship I have ever heard of (see Message 31 here: <http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbbbc7/F2574421?thread=5550831&skip=20&show=20>):
"Goodbye, intelligent life on Earth. (It was nice knowing you ... yes, I agree: Earth is a nice place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there.)"
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thanatoid - 26 Jun 2008 17:29 GMT >>WHAT the f.ck is going on????????? > > Search me! I pay as little attention to the growing idiocy > as I think I can get away with. I refuse to even look at a newspaper if I can possibly avoid it. I haven't watched any TV in about two years and I haven't watched any TV "news" for decades.
>>You HAVE heard of what just happened in Sweden? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > for asking, but - please clue me in! (A quick URL should do > it.) Google in 'news' for "Sweden wiretap law" or some such words. This happened about a week ago. The only reason *I* know about is I have a friend who used to live in Sweden for a long time and he told me about it. He said they must have all gone insane. I Googled and alas, it is true. I still can NOT believe it.
>>I am SO glad it will soon be all over for me. > > If the smoking don't get you, ASH will? :-) I /said/ I don't smoke :-) - I wish I did, it's a great social helper. Too late now - old, ugly, fat, poor, and useless and stupid in general.
As for ASH, I still visit there once in a while when REALLY bored but it's always the same (like everything, I suppose). Boring as hell. At least not as much hugging as 5 years ago. But too many kids whining about nasty teachers making their lives a living hell. And many people STILL seem to think taking a bottle of Tylenol will kill them. Sigh...
When I can, I will depart. For now, I can't.
> As I recently wrote on a BBC message board, after the most > imbecilic act of knee-jerk censorship I have ever heard of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > you ... yes, I agree: Earth is a nice place to visit, but > you wouldn't want to live there.)" I would say "unbelievable" if not for the fact that, sadly, it is all /too/ believable in this ridiculous age. A agree 100% with your statement on that forum.
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PA Bear [MS MVP] - 26 Jun 2008 14:59 GMT I think:
=> The fact that MS has patented the technology does not mean it's being used anywhere yet and people like you are being excessively alarmist;
=> It's a stretch to compare this technology to DRM;
"You walk into a movie theater, the movie theater sets your mobile phone to vibrate for you."
=> Excellent! Wish it would disable the ability to make calls while in the theater, too (bonus points for stuffing a sock in chatty people's mouths);
"You stroll into a museum, the museum disables the flash on your camera or disables your camera altogether."
=> Excellent! Protects copyrights and fragile artwork;
"You get too close to the cockpit, any wireless device at risk of interfering is shut off."
=> Excellent! Have it disable any wireless device altogether unless passengers are embarking or disembarking, and it'll be even better. Hope they use it in all forms of public tranportation, too.
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> Hmm, seems Microsoft may not be content with the present DRM technology, > seems intent on extending device control. > > Whatcha tink??? > > http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/06/13/microsoft-sets-up-digital-manners-police MEB - 26 Jun 2008 18:19 GMT | I think: | | => The fact that MS has patented the technology does not mean it's being | used anywhere yet and people like you are being excessively alarmist; Excuse me,, did I write the article... I don't think so...
| => It's a stretch to compare this technology to DRM; | [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | => Excellent! Wish it would disable the ability to make calls while in the | theater, too (bonus points for stuffing a sock in chatty people's mouths); Oh me too. and the dirtier the sock the better... but this is the plus side, the other side is that numerous people DO use their cells to copy stage productions and other to their home computers. IT IS ILLEGAL, but is turning off the ringer the intent or is it more likely to disable cell phones entirely. {which I would support, kill the technology all together]
| "You stroll into a museum, the museum disables the flash on your camera or | disables your camera altogether." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | passengers are embarking or disembarking, and it'll be even better. Hope | they use it in all forms of public tranportation, too. So the above is the up side, but there are ALWAYS two sides to any coin. The writer(s) attempted to address the potentials that could be associated with other uses. Blanking out all cell phones with cameras could be extremely misused by enforcement agencies. Hacking the control systems software could leave entire houses, buildings, or cities at the mercy of the hacker or other criminals.
Let's say you have your home controlled, using these controls and software, someone hacks the system while you and your family are in the home, say at night. There is no automatic call to the security agency because its part of the networked control system and has been disabled. There's no phone system, because that was tied in as well. There's no cell phones because your cells were tied in via their IDs. No lights, they were controlled by the system. Your electronic locks are disabled. Your video security cameras and devices have also been disabled. Your cars are disabled as they were tied in also. Your hand gun or other you bought for protection has an electronically "safety" which has also been locked/disabled so it can't be used.
Now explain WHY you think this is good technology.. oh wait, you were likely beaten into coma or killed during this crime. So was the rest of your family... guess your opinion is now non-existant, as you no longer exist.
To ignore the other potential uses while keying on those "things you want" because they annoy you, would seem to be another instance of placing a bullseye on your forehead, handing out sledge hammers, publicly posting your "full responsibility statement' in which you and your attorneys obsolve any others of responsibility, and asking people to hit the bullseye to prove your invincable. I would bet your not.
| > Hmm, seems Microsoft may not be content with the present DRM technology, | > seems intent on extending device control. | > | > Whatcha tink??? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/06/13/microsoft-sets-up-digital-manners-police
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dadiOH - 26 Jun 2008 20:31 GMT > Hmm, seems Microsoft may not be content with the present DRM > technology, seems intent on extending device control. > > Whatcha tink??? I think that there is too much official/third party/governmental effort to control the ill manners of some people. Waaaay too much "in loco parentis"...too much blathering about rights, too little acceptance of responsibility. Responsibility such as teaching manners to one's whelps. Much of the problem arises because there are just too many people.
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thanatoid - 26 Jun 2008 18:13 GMT >> Hmm, seems Microsoft may not be content with the present >> DRM technology, seems intent on extending device control. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > one's whelps. Much of the problem arises because there are > just too many people. /Everyone everywhere/ should have been forcibly (but temporarily, say for 15 years) sterilized (with tap water or whatever) about 40 years ago.
I know this attitude smacks (to put it mildly) of exactly what I am complaining about - if not just plain non-racist (I do not discriminate, I hate everyone equally) Hitlerism - but people ARE the Earth's problem, and the more there are, the worse it gets. Did you know a 100 years ago there were only about a billion and half people polluting this planet with their stinky and noisy presence?
This page is quite interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
Exponential growth. What happens when it gets to a straight vertical line? You know the story about the amount of lilies in the pond doubling every day? I am so sick of everything I don't even care anymore, but ever since I read "Limits to Growth" 35 years ago I used to think waiting around just to see what would happen was one of the things worth staying alive for.
Assuming there is even one person reading this who gives a sh.t about any of this, for those unwilling to make an effort of actually /reading a book/, a short animated film by Bruno Bozzetto called "Opera" (NO, internetoids, nothing to do with the browser) says it all. It /may/ be one of the 10 "bonus" shorts included on a DVD of an animated feature called "Allegro Non Troppo" which may even have played in a few US cities for a week or two when it was released many moons ago. I don't know since neither CDUniverse nor Amazon bother listing the bonus titles. Pretty surprising they even carry /one/ DVD of a great director who has been making brilliant shorts and feature films for over 45 years.
I have seen very little of his extremely prolific output, but Donald Duck, Daffy Duck and the Simpsons are only exclusively synonymous with animation in the USA, and a few of the best films in the world were animated shorts or features - NOT made in the US, needless to say.
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Bill in Co. - 26 Jun 2008 21:39 GMT >> Hmm, seems Microsoft may not be content with the present DRM >> technology, seems intent on extending device control. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > responsibility. Responsibility such as teaching manners to one's whelps. > Much of the problem arises because there are just too many people. Personal responsibility went out (in large part) several decades ago, unfortunately.
Gary S. Terhune - 27 Jun 2008 20:45 GMT What a bunch of whiny old farts (I' first wrote women, but then realized what an insult that was to the fairer sex.) Your elders probably thought the same of you when you were 20. Or, if you happen to have been a little angel, they were at least saying the same things about young people in general. What was that, around the time of rock & roll, shaking hips, short skirts and sweaters? Or are you older than that? Isn't that when the "responsible" people were calling everyone and their cat communists and blacklisting was so popular? Real responsible adults we had back then, eh?
I think there are too many old farts in the world, the world is overpopulated... I say mandatory death for everyone at age 65. This would also solve the Social Security "problem", though the criminals who have been stealing the SS fund should go first, regardless of their age. (That means policy maker in the Federal government.)
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>>> Hmm, seems Microsoft may not be content with the present DRM >>> technology, seems intent on extending device control. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Personal responsibility went out (in large part) several decades ago, > unfortunately. PA Bear [MS MVP] - 27 Jun 2008 22:02 GMT <ROFL>
> What a bunch of whiny old farts (I' first wrote women, but then realized > what an insult that was to the fairer sex.) Your elders probably thought [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> Personal responsibility went out (in large part) several decades ago, >> unfortunately. Bill in Co. - 27 Jun 2008 22:46 GMT These damn youngins don't understand nothin!!
Of course, Gary, you are right in your "extensive" observations over all time (as limited as that time frame is). And, indeed, there has been NO change whatsover in personal responsibility and personal accountability, in blaming others for everything under the sun (and the plethora of lawsuits today), the loss of the two parent homes, the loss of neighborhoods, etc, etc. (I probably was just on acid when I wrote that).
ROFL.
> What a bunch of whiny old farts (I' first wrote women, but then realized > what an insult that was to the fairer sex.) Your elders probably thought [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> Personal responsibility went out (in large part) several decades ago, >> unfortunately. Gary S. Terhune - 28 Jun 2008 01:58 GMT Whine, whine, whine...
Most of what you whine about is a direct result of the actions of ourselves, our parents, and their parents, etc. Much of what you whine about is a direct result of Reaganomics, frankly.
No, the problem is that people live too long these days. Oughta get up and out of the way of history, whatever its course.
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> These damn youngins don't understand nothin!! > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >>> Personal responsibility went out (in large part) several decades ago, >>> unfortunately. Bill in Co. - 28 Jun 2008 03:36 GMT No worries. The (now irreversible) manmade global warming will resolve mankind's BS, once and for all (including ALL wars and famine, and other idiocies), but not in our lifetime. But in the end, justice will be served, and "we" will reap what we have sowed. I find there is some consolation in knowing that.
> Whine, whine, whine... > [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] >>>> Personal responsibility went out (in large part) several decades ago, >>>> unfortunately. Gary S. Terhune - 28 Jun 2008 03:40 GMT While I agree with your prognosis 100%, I find no consolation at all. I feel nothing but unutterable guilt.
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> No worries. The (now irreversible) manmade global warming will resolve > mankind's BS, once and for all (including ALL wars and famine, and other [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] >>>>> Personal responsibility went out (in large part) several decades ago, >>>>> unfortunately. Jim - 28 Jun 2008 03:40 GMT Sort of like the movie "Wild in the Streets". Everybody over age thirty is sent to the old age camps where they make A-bombs on LSD served in Dixie cups. The movie ends with long haired youths standing on the bluffs of Katowice or Nowa Huta.
> Whine, whine, whine... > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > >>> Personal responsibility went out (in large part) several decades ago, > >>> unfortunately. PA Bear [MS MVP] - 28 Jun 2008 05:49 GMT [GAry was in that movie! <eg>]
> Sort of like the movie "Wild in the Streets". Everybody over age thirty is > sent to the old age camps where they make A-bombs on LSD served in Dixie [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] >>>>> Personal responsibility went out (in large part) several decades ago, >>>>> unfortunately. Gary S. Terhune - 28 Jun 2008 06:23 GMT Ahhh... So that's why I can't remember it.
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> [GAry was in that movie! <eg>] > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] >>>>>> Personal responsibility went out (in large part) several decades ago, >>>>>> unfortunately. PA Bear [MS MVP] - 28 Jun 2008 16:37 GMT Your torrid off-screen affair with Shelley Winters was the talk of the town! Hal Holbrook and Ed Begley (Sr.) were green with envy... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063808/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063808/plotsummary
> Ahhh... So that's why I can't remember it. > [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] >>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>> unfortunately. Gary S. Terhune - 28 Jun 2008 22:28 GMT LOL!
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> Your torrid off-screen affair with Shelley Winters was the talk of the > town! Hal Holbrook and Ed Begley (Sr.) were green with envy... [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] >>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>> unfortunately. PA Bear [MS MVP] - 29 Jun 2008 03:02 GMT [This NG and you needed a little levity.]
> LOL! > [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] >>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>> unfortunately. Bill in Co. - 29 Jun 2008 03:46 GMT I already provided some. (Well, a bit more than that, but, whatever).
> [This NG and you needed a little levity.] > [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] >>>>>>>>>> Personal responsibility went out (in large part) several decades >>>>>>>>>> ago, unfortunately. Gary S. Terhune - 28 Jun 2008 05:50 GMT Gonna have to look that one up.
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> Sort of like the movie "Wild in the Streets". Everybody over age thirty is > sent to the old age camps where they make A-bombs on LSD served in Dixie [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] >> >>> Personal responsibility went out (in large part) several decades ago, >> >>> unfortunately. Jim - 29 Jun 2008 20:18 GMT It was one of those blacklisted revolutionary films of the 1970's. cica 74 or 75. Another neat scene was when the president of this mess was 29 going on 30 and he steps on the pet crawdad of some 13 year old...how the kid looks up and sneers in pure hatred of the older generation knowing he is gonna get his real soon.
> Gonna have to look that one up. John Dulak - 27 Jun 2008 13:46 GMT >> Hmm, seems Microsoft may not be content with the present DRM >> technology, seems intent on extending device control. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > responsibility. Responsibility such as teaching manners to one's whelps. > Much of the problem arises because there are just too many people. dadiO:
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Dan - 27 Jun 2008 14:08 GMT It would be nice if people just had respect for each other. I do not really want technology turning off my gadgets but if you go to the opening night of a good movie you really want to see then I would hope people would be courteous enough to silence their cellphone or at least turn it to vibrate. If the person is spending $10 or so dollars to see a movie then the person should be responsible enough to budget time to see the movie and silence their gadgets and allow themselves to be wrapped up in a fantasy world for a little while. That is my 2 cents.
> >> Hmm, seems Microsoft may not be content with the present DRM > >> technology, seems intent on extending device control. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > John nick - 29 Jun 2008 13:33 GMT > Hmm, seems Microsoft may not be content with the present DRM technology, > seems intent on extending device control. > > Whatcha tink??? > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com meb,, i always warmed myself to your thoughts and how you showed certain blogs in order to make ppl wake up and take a look around....... now, due to my respect for you, i have to ask if you have read the book full of information beyond comparison to what mere humans can come up with? have you? the secrets within are of far more importance than any military ones,, far more important than those of politics in general, in fact, the secret of life is held tween the lines. shouldnt we first seek these out, before fussing about the mere stupidity of what man does with his knowledge..... god forbid we think like gst. faith is a word that repels most, yet if you understand its value, it out-weighs fort-knox a quadtrillion zillion billion times,, but the price to pay for having it, is understanding it.
just my thought.
MEB - 29 Jun 2008 19:13 GMT |> Hmm, seems Microsoft may not be content with the present DRM |> technology, seems intent on extending device control. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] | | just my thought. And which book "full of information beyond comparison" would you be referring to,,, let me guess,, you think its the Christian Bible, so which version is the correct one or is it the Jewish "Bible"... Have you bothered to read the more ancient religious tomes of other religions, or any other religious directive "manuals" {Bibles}. If not, then you know less about man than you think, and certainly less about *man's created* Gods... I have, here's the secrets, they are BOOKS and writings by men attempting to explain the unknowns of the era and man's relationships. Their value lay in the general direction towards man's need to be "nice" to himself and his world, and the attempts to understand HOW to balance these. The writings of *future views* related to man and this world {premonitions if you must} hold more value. Many contain predictive writings, which were written as religious based documents mearly to protect the author[s] from being subjected to the wrath of religious leaders and controls. THESE are of more intrisic value to man; one, for study of these *abilities* in man; two, for their content. One must always remember that religions WERE the LAW of man during those religious periods, generally outweighing any other of man's laws, and speaking and/or writing AGAINST the religion was death, stoning, exclusion, or other, for.those those OUTSIDE the religion. Unless YOU spend some time studying man's creations [all these historical *religious* writings], weighing them against each other for "sense", value, and against what man HAS discovered, you know nothing more than people did three thousand, ten thousand, twenty thousand years ago. Instead you have something less, preconcieved notions based upon lack of knowledge and ignorance. To say one religion IS THE ANSWER over others is ludicrous, that isn't faith, that's reliance upon invisible "friends" and prejudice.
AFTER *YOU* study these tomes and writings, come back and seek me out.. perhaps we can have an intelligent discussion. Until then, keep your religious meanderings in the forums devoted to them.
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dadiOH - 29 Jun 2008 21:18 GMT > To say one > religion IS THE ANSWER over others is ludicrous, Especially since all are very similar. ____________
> that isn't faith, > that's reliance upon invisible "friends" and prejudice. And believing without question that which (supposedly) more knowledgeable people like parents and teachers/preachers tell you. Same for Santa Claus.
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Gary S. Terhune - 29 Jun 2008 21:56 GMT Nothing like plain stupid ignorance to lighten up the day.
ALL organized religion is pure evil. Just like all organized sports.
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>> Hmm, seems Microsoft may not be content with the present DRM technology, >> seems intent on extending device control. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > just my thought. Dan - 30 Jun 2008 19:21 GMT Now, I see and understand why it is so important to stay on topic. Anyway, any thoughts about computing in general, Gary, since we are off topic anyway especially in regards to Windows 7 and Microsoft's future.
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