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Windows Forum / Windows 98 / General Topics / August 2008Gary S. Terhune, your security website article fails to load
I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to load. Did you temporarily remove it? http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page cannot be found. Ditto. > I was just looking over your website and the security article fails to > load. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page > cannot be found. I took it down for updating (some apps I recommended are no longer appropriate.) I just keep forgetting where I put my round tuit. I'll take a look at it now and see just how much editing it really needs.  SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com > Ditto. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page >> cannot be found. I think I found your round tuit but I just didn't have any energy so I cast it aside and had a nice visit with my recliner :-) Can't help on the W98 apps Gary, too out of touch with the 98 scene. SignatureRegards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2008 >I took it down for updating (some apps I recommended are no longer >appropriate.) I just keep forgetting where I put my round tuit. I'll take a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page >>> cannot be found. At 2:10 AM, you'd think I'd be fast asleep on my couch (I literally live in the living room these days.) SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com >I think I found your round tuit but I just didn't have any energy so I cast >it aside and had a nice visit with my recliner :-) Can't help on the W98 [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>>> page >>>> cannot be found. Why are you living in the living room, and not the computer room, at such an hour? > At 2:10 AM, you'd think I'd be fast asleep on my couch (I literally live > in [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >>>>> page >>>>> cannot be found. The living room IS the computer room! Why do you think I live there? Computer, TV, heater, cooler, kitchen is five steps away... Who needs a bedroom? (Well, my daughter does, but I use mine for storage.) SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com > Why are you living in the living room, and not the computer room, at such > an hour? [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>>>>> page >>>>>> cannot be found. Guess I'm just not used to the idea of a computer in the living room. But TV, yeah. Less distractions and more privacy (for computer use) in a separate room like a bedroom! Of course, if you're working on them (or several of them) for a living, that may not be as practical, or even desireable. > The living room IS the computer room! Why do you think I live there? > Computer, TV, heater, cooler, kitchen is five steps away... Who needs a [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >>>>>>> page >>>>>>> cannot be found. Have we had a good discussion of what anti-virus and other anti-malware products still work on Win9x systems, lately? I know Avast! works well, and perhaps an earlier version of AVG (but what about Updates?) Then there's David's Multi-AV, and F-Prot for DOS... Any others? SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com > Ditto. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page >> cannot be found. Might as well include firewalls in the discussion. So far I have Sygate, ZA, Tiny (the old version), Kerio (old version)... Anything else? SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com > Have we had a good discussion of what anti-virus and other anti-malware > products still work on Win9x systems, lately? I know Avast! works well, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page >>> cannot be found. > Might as well include firewalls in the discussion. So far I have > Sygate, ZA, Tiny (the old version), Kerio (old version)... Anything > else? Agnitum Outpost Free <http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpostfree/index.php> Apparently, AVG is still supporting version 7.5 of its anti-virus program which works well. Avast works well as well but in my opinion is almost too concerned about security which can be good and bad. It can help keep users safer but also raise false alarms like the one about Yahoo.com being infected, a false positive about a file on my dad's computer, prevent certain Microsoft tools like the client that Microsoft provided me from working to Please steer clear of AVG version 8 for any computer because at least the free version has known issues and will of course not run on 98. In regards, to firewalls you want a multi-layered safety and security approach to keeping 98 Second Edition safe on the Internet these days. I would suggest a router that has built in firewall capabilities and please don't use the default settings and change the authentication password to a complex password. Microsoft has a tool to help users make strong passwords. It is located at http://www.microsoft.com/protect/yourself/password/checker.mspx In addition, a wired connection is always more secure than a wireless connection. Remember, that Microsoft will no longer provide security updates for Windows 98 Second Edition so users must use other software to make 98 and 98 SE more secure on the Internet. I like Mozilla Firefox and version 2.0.x is still supported with 98. Eventually, Mozilla will retire version 2 of Firefox and version 3 of Firefox does not support Windows 98. Opera has its fans but I do not care much for it and its user base is too small currently to have too many hackers working on breaking into the Opera web browser. The Opera web browser is an alternative especially if Mozilla discontinues support of Mozilla Firefox 2.0.x and in doing so no longer provides support for Windows 98. As far as software firewalls are concerned I do not have a good suggestion of which one is best with Windows 98 and/or 98SE Edition. I like the XP Professional firewall but there you do have to watch if you allow any exceptions. I am giving Windows Live Care a trial period on the XP Professional side of my machine to see how I like it. > > Might as well include firewalls in the discussion. So far I have > > Sygate, ZA, Tiny (the old version), Kerio (old version)... Anything > > else? > > Agnitum Outpost Free > <http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpostfree/index.php> AVG is ending support for Win9x in August 2008. Support for AVG v7.5 in any Windows version ends in December 2008. ~~ ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ > Apparently, AVG is still supporting version 7.5 of its anti-virus program > which works well... Thanks for reminding me of that Robear. I appreciate it. > AVG is ending support for Win9x in August 2008. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Apparently, AVG is still supporting version 7.5 of its anti-virus program > > which works well... | Apparently, AVG is still supporting version 7.5 of its anti-virus | program which works well. Avast works well as well but in my opinion [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | dad's computer, prevent certain Microsoft tools like the client that | Microsoft provided me from working to It is easy & painless to go to avast!'s Settings, Exclusion, screen & enter the name of the false positive. I have "C:\Program Files\RioPort\Audio Manager\SetupMDM.exe" in there, myself! (To know whether a file is a false positive, send it to a site such as... http://virusscan.jotti.org/ ..., & it will be scanned by a ton of scanners.) | Please steer clear of AVG version 8 for any computer because at least | the free version has known issues and will of course not run on 98. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] |> Agnitum Outpost Free |> <http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpostfree/index.php> SignatureThanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net Thank PCR. > | Apparently, AVG is still supporting version 7.5 of its anti-virus > | program which works well. Avast works well as well but in my opinion [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > |> Agnitum Outpost Free > |> <http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpostfree/index.php> | Thank PCR. You are welcome. Despite a list of six/so peccadilloes, I remain very pleased with avast! Home Edition! It hasn't abandoned me yet like McAfee finally did! But I must say McAfee somehow remained free for me long past its expiration for some reason & worked fairly well-enough until near the end when the driver engines got persnicketty. Don't go mean-mouthing McAfee either! |> | Apparently, AVG is still supporting version 7.5 of its anti-virus |> | program which works well. Avast works well as well but in my [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net SignatureThanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net No, I certainly won't bad mouth McAfee and I do use their free site advisor. I remember how you told all of us that you got McAfee antivirus free for a while for some reason on your machine. Can you elaborate that again for me due to my slow memory? <grin> > | Thank PCR. > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > |> PCR > |> pcrrcp@netzero.net | No, I certainly won't bad mouth McAfee and I do use their free site | advisor. I remember how you told all of us that you got McAfee | antivirus free for a while for some reason on your machine. Can you | elaborate that again for me due to my slow memory? <grin> I don't know how it happened, but suspect a restore of a full system backup did it. I did get a few e-mail from McAfee saying my subscription was about to expire, but those stopped coming & it still worked. But slowly it died. I had to shut off the auto-scan because it caused sluggishness & NET connection failure. I discovered one specific scan engine that allowed me to turn it back on. Eventually, though, McAfee would refuse to auto-update virus definitions & I had to take them manually. Finally, it would not even work manually for Win98. That's about the whole story. Now I am very pleased with avast! Home Edition which is legitimately free. |> | Thank PCR. |> [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net SignatureThanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net "Ingeborg"> Agnitum Outpost Free > <http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpostfree/index.php> is it any good ingeborg? does it do a good job? never heard of it til you posted. > "Ingeborg"> Agnitum Outpost Free >> <http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpostfree/index.php> > > is it any good ingeborg? does it do a good job? > never heard of it til you posted. I'm very content with it. AFAIK it does a good job, never noticed 'something slipped through'. You can create your own rules for any program, or use some predefined settings like 'browser' or 'email client'. It will warn you when any onknown program or any program with the same name tries to connect. Main reason why I like it is that you can live see which program is talking to which ip address/domain, how many bytes are send/received for each connection, bytes/second, ... > Have we had a good discussion of what anti-virus and other anti-malware > products still work on Win9x systems, lately? I know Avast! works well, and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page > >> cannot be found. The following is my setup for Win98SE: Avast, Super AntiSpyware Free, Spyware Blaster, Sygate Version 5.5 2710, HiJack This, CCleaner. I regularly go to the highly reliable "grc.com" to check the quality of my protection by running their "Shields Up" tests (file sharing + common ports). With this configuration, my computer reports a perfect "stealth" result, non-existent on the internet. Well, I hope you don't let CCLeaner do anything to the Registry. It has no history, no Undo function. I had the misfortune of having a Dell tech, of all people, install and run CCleaner in a clients new machine. Pissed me off royally. Had to do a System Restore (Vista machine.)There is no need for such a POS on a computer, IMO. Otherwise, thanks for sharing. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com >> Have we had a good discussion of what anti-virus and other anti-malware >> products still work on Win9x systems, lately? I know Avast! works well, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > common ports). With this configuration, my computer reports a perfect > "stealth" result, non-existent on the internet. > Well, I hope you don't let CCLeaner do anything to the Registry. It has no > history, no Undo function. I had the misfortune of having a Dell tech, of [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > common ports). With this configuration, my computer reports a perfect > > "stealth" result, non-existent on the internet. I just run CCleaner in default mode, even let it mange my Firefox cookies, never have a problem, maybe I am just lucky, I think it is the best system cleaner available, always receives high praise from many trustworthy computer help sites, | Have we had a good discussion of what anti-virus and other | anti-malware products still work on Win9x systems, lately? I know [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | | Any others? Been recently looking myself to update my page, here's what I have so far for Anti-Virus products: http://www.nod32uk.com/products/win9x.php - NOD32 for Windows 95/98/ME {thought they had dropped support} UNTESTED Anti-Virus http://www.pspl.com/products/w95.htm - Protector Plus 2008 - 30 day eval. http://www.srnmicro.com/products/win9xpage.htm - Solo Anti-Virus - also DOS AV available http://www.sophos.com/products/small-business/system-requirements.html - Sophos AV http://www.quickheal.co.in/products.asp - Quick Heal AntiVirus Plus 2008 Desktop Price: $30/Year http://www.fireav.com/products/win95page.htm - FIRE ANTI-VIRUS KIT FOR WINDOWS 95, 98 & ME BitDefender sent out notice that they had re-done [fixed] the program, but I haven't tested the new version. http://www.bitdefender.com Several new firewall programs [and Anti-V, SpyWare] available on various shareware sites claiming 98 support |> Ditto. |> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] |>> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this |>> page cannot be found. SignatureMEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ It sounds like enough people still use Windows 98 (or 98SE) to make it worthwhile for there to be some support left. Thanks for the information, MEB. > | Have we had a good discussion of what anti-virus and other > | anti-malware products still work on Win9x systems, lately? I know [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > |>> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this > |>> page cannot be found. The article has been revised. I invite proof-readers and comments. http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com > Ditto. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page >> cannot be found. > The article has been revised. I invite proof-readers and comments.http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page > >> cannot be found. Gary, with reference to your final paragraph, I have written to the support forums of both Avast + Super AntiSpyware Free. For the time being Avast will continue to support Win98SE, the following quote from the forum spokesperson "As far we know, support to Windows 98 will continue in avast 4. New features aren't being added to old OS but just for the new ones." From Super AntiSpyware Free the following exchange, SAS says "Version 4.0 supports Windows 98SE and definitions in the future always work with previous versions of the software so there always will be definition updates. Windows 98 is approaching 11 years old. At some point Windows 98SE won't makes senses to support as the new technologies only apply to the NTFS file system, Vista, etc.", I say "So what you are saying is that even if you stop formally supporting Win98SE, the definitions will still be available even for version 4 that I am currently using, so SAS will continue to function as it now functions on my Win98SE computer?", SAS says "Yes, it will continue to function as-is and receive definition updates." Those replies ought to be comforting to 98SE users. Spyware Blaster continues to support 98SE even with their newest version. Sygate Personal Firewall version 5.5 build 2710, the version specifically for 98SE, continues to work superbly on my computer requiring no specific updates. So I am quite happy that these 4 programs will continue to protect my computer. I have put myself through the security testing regimen on the highly thought of "grc.com" site, specifically the "file sharing", + "common ports" tests. My results have been a perfect protection score to the point where hackers think that my computer is non-existent on the internet, neither initiating or replying to any requests for information. Just my experience. I like grc.com and the shields up utility as well. However, since Gary had a bad experience with crap cleaner I can see why he does not suggest using it. I do not plan on subjecting my machine in 98 Second Edition to it if there is even a slight chance that it will mess everything up. I really think users including myself need to fully learn about the registry, then back it up and then slowly but surely they can test their theories and ideas with editing and manipulating the registry manually. It seems to be the only way to truly learn about the registry and it is not worth the risk of an automated process messing around with the brains of your PC. For example, ask yourself if you would let a general surgeon perform brain surgery on you as an individual or would you prefer to have a specialist? > > The article has been revised. I invite proof-readers and comments.http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm > > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > non-existent on the internet, neither initiating or replying to any > requests for information. Just my experience. > The article has been revised. I invite proof-readers and comments. > http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm [] Thanks; nice clean uncluttered page (I certainly didn't spot anything that triggered my proof-reading reflexes). Since the writing is on the wall for AVG 7.5, I thought I'd look at something else - you mention AvasT! as the head of your list, as do several other people, but it says on http://avast.com/eng/system-requirements-avast-home.html "A functional MS Internet Explorer 4 or higher is required for the program to work." Is this just for the helpfiles engine, or something else? I keep my '98 machines IE-free. SignatureJ. P. Gilliver | Tel. +44 1634 203298 I couldn't care less about "IE-free" operating systems. They don't qualify as Windows 98, IMO, thus the article doesn't apply to them. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com >> The article has been revised. I invite proof-readers and comments. >> http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > this just for the helpfiles engine, or something else? I keep my '98 > machines IE-free. Nice job on the revision of your security article. My comment is about Adaware SE and that is that I do not like using it much because of false positives in the past but I can see that it could be a useful tool if you take the results returned and carefully review them before fixing anything. I also know about the false positive recently with Yahoo.com and Avast, thanks to Robear and I was wondering if the number of false positives have been increasing recently and if this is the case then is it just due to faulty or overprotective antivirus and antispyware tools and also why don't the makers of these programs do a better job with them. I really do like SpywareBlaster and Spybot Search and Destroy. I am staying at a friend's house in the City and I cleaned the friend's machine for him and it contained a spybot according to Spybot Search and Destroy and now that it is clean --- it is running much better. I also had to remove gator garbage and other unneeded programs and follow the usual protocol such as then installing all the latest Windows security updates. Unfortunately, this friend uses AOL and wants to keep it so sadly that garbage remains on the computer but other than that it runs well now. > The article has been revised. I invite proof-readers and comments. > http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >> Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer give me the message that this page > >> cannot be found. I am replying to myself just to let all users know that I am still using AVG 7.5 with Windows 98 Second Edition because although the writing is on the wall, it just works well and so far has not been plagued with false positives like Avast has had to deal with. For example, the mistake about yahoo.com having malware in it -- please and the Avast writers need to learn from the AVG 7.5 writers. I am currently working to get AVG 7.5 extended past August but remember there is no guarantee and if not then I will upgrade to the paid version of AVG 7.5 which lasts until the end of the year. AVG 8 is crap because it finds too many false positives. Support for AVG Free v7.5 for all Windows versions ends 31 Aug-08; cf. http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=29379 (AVG Pro v7.5 in Win5.x and higher will be supported until 31 Dec-08.) > AVG 8 is crap because it finds too many false positives. AVG v8.x, at least in its default configuration, is fairly incompatible with both SpywareBlaster and SpyBot. See http://free.avg.com/ww.faq.num-1319 and the numerous related discussions in AVG Free Forums. In any event, AVG v8.x isn't supported in Win9x (AKA Win4.x) anyway. > I am replying to myself just to let all users know that I am still using > AVG [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > will upgrade to the paid version of AVG 7.5 which lasts until the end of > the year. AVG 8 is crap because it finds too many false positives. Thanks, Robear. Can I buy AVG 7.5 and upgrade from my free version to the paid version for Windows 98 Second Edition and have support from AVG until 31 December 2008? > Support for AVG Free v7.5 for all Windows versions ends 31 Aug-08; cf. > http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=29379 (AVG Pro v7.5 in Win5.x and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > will upgrade to the paid version of AVG 7.5 which lasts until the end of > > the year. AVG 8 is crap because it finds too many false positives. No, all support for Win9x (any AVG version) ends in August. > Thanks, Robear. Can I buy AVG 7.5 and upgrade from my free version to the > paid version for Windows 98 Second Edition and have support from AVG until [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>> will upgrade to the paid version of AVG 7.5 which lasts until the end of >>> the year. AVG 8 is crap because it finds too many false positives. I'm finding that Avast and SuperAntiSpyware are finding a few false positives lately, more than I recall in the past, but they both have decent enough methods for excluding files or folders from scanning. AVG has no such ability? After all, if the scanner isn't digging deep enough to pop up a few false positives every month or two in this era of the rapidly developing blur between individual computers and other network/internet devices, it's probably not doing a decent enough job to be worth having it installed. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com > Support for AVG Free v7.5 for all Windows versions ends 31 Aug-08; cf. > http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=29379 (AVG Pro v7.5 in Win5.x and [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> will upgrade to the paid version of AVG 7.5 which lasts until the end of >> the year. AVG 8 is crap because it finds too many false positives. I think he's referring to different F/Ps, Gary. > I'm finding that Avast and SuperAntiSpyware are finding a few false > positives lately, more than I recall in the past, but they both have [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>> will upgrade to the paid version of AVG 7.5 which lasts until the end of >>> the year. AVG 8 is crap because it finds too many false positives. I understand, and I still say that if AVG is at all the decent app that everyone says it is, it should be a simple matter to ignore those files, Registry Keys, whatever. I see that the FREE version is singled out as the one having the problem, which implies that if you pay you can tell AVG to ignore those Registry keys. Plus, I'm also seeing a lot more false positives from the usual panoply of protection apps lately, more than in less recent times. Just thought that was worth mentioning. I've reported two to Avast just in the last week. SignatureGary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com >I think he's referring to different F/Ps, Gary. > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>>> of >>>> the year. AVG 8 is crap because it finds too many false positives. Thanks Robear and Gary. Please keep me informed. |
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