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FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

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Casey - 02 Jul 2008 21:41 GMT
Guess this will be the last FF for Win98.
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
I just got a d/l.
Casey
MEB - 03 Jul 2008 00:23 GMT
| Guess this will be the last FF for Win98.
| http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
| I just got a d/l.
| Casey

Here's what got fixed:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#firefox2.0.0.15
Looks like this has fixed several older issues as well as the two major
ones noted for the 3.0.version

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pixturesk@gmail.com - 03 Jul 2008 02:47 GMT
> Innews:MPG.22d5a3f845ac1551989695@news.toast.netat ,
> Casey contemplated and posted:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> --
> _________

Just as IE6 SP1 is the last version which supports Win98SE, so will FF
2.0.0.15 or whatever further updates they offer. I protect my computer
with Avast, Super AntiSpyware Free, Spyware Blaster, Sygate, CCleaner,
HiJack This, which will allow me to continue using FF 2 even when
Mozilla stops supporting it.
Dan - 03 Jul 2008 03:40 GMT
Just remember to back up what you need to back up frequently as I learned
about losing data the hard way despite my precautions.  <grin>

> > Innews:MPG.22d5a3f845ac1551989695@news.toast.netat ,
> > Casey contemplated and posted:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> HiJack This, which will allow me to continue using FF 2 even when
> Mozilla stops supporting it.
MEB - 03 Jul 2008 05:30 GMT
|| Guess this will be the last FF for Win98.
|| http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
|| I just got a d/l.
|| Casey
|
|  Here's what got fixed:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#firefox2.0.0.15
|  Looks like this has fixed several older issues as well as the two
| major ones noted for the 3.0.version
|
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|  MEB

* * * *
SeaMonkey users should also note that the new fixed version is available:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ - SeaMonkey 1.1.10 - Released
July 2, 2008

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Bill Watt - 04 Jul 2008 06:08 GMT
>Guess this will be the last FF for Win98.
>http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
>I just got a d/l.
>Casey

This is what the download says are the minimum requirements:

Operating Systems

Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
Windows Vista

Nothing about Win 98  or SE.

I installed it on my XP Pro Notebook. This machine is Win98 SE and
the option came up anyway. Did not install, I'm using  2.0.0.14.

Regards,

Bill Watt  
Win98 Computer Help & Other Information  http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Angus Rodgers - 04 Jul 2008 09:19 GMT
>>Guess this will be the last FF for Win98.
>>http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Nothing about Win 98  or SE.

Where did you get that information?  I'm not very awake yet, so I'm
sorry if I'm missing something obvious.  I see (following the link
to "System Requirements" on the Web page referred to above):

<http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/system-requirements-v2.html>

"Windows
Operating Systems

   * Windows 98
   * Windows 98 SE
   [...]"

I installed the 2.0.0.15 update to Firefox while it was running on my
Win98SE system, in the usual way (i.e. online, rather than downloading
the full installer, although I did that later - unnecessary, but I was
neurotically worried about not being able to reinstall if necessary!),
and nothing untoward happened.  The installer didn't complain, and the
updated installation of Firefox seems to be working fine.

>I installed it on my XP Pro Notebook. This machine is Win98 SE and
>the option came up anyway. Did not install, I'm using  2.0.0.14.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Bill Watt  
>Win98 Computer Help & Other Information  http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/

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Casey - 04 Jul 2008 17:56 GMT
> This is what the download says are the minimum requirements:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Nothing about Win 98  or SE.

Look at the right upper corner of the d/l site and find
System Requirements. There you will find:

Firefox 2 System Requirements
Windows
Operating Systems
Windows 98
Windows 98 SE
Windows ME
Windows NT 4.0
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
Windows Vista
Bill Watt - 05 Jul 2008 06:53 GMT
Reply at end.

>> This is what the download says are the minimum requirements:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>Windows Server 2003
>Windows Vista

I went to Help, and selected Check for Updates.
It said Ver. 2.0.0.15 was available.
Then selected View More Info about this Update:
That took me here:
http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/2.0.0.15/releasenotes/

Then under downloading and installing I selected System
Requirements.
Saw this:
Operating Systems
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
Windows Vista

What I missed was it had taken me to Ver. 3, which was kind of
ghosted at the top of the page. Strange, the link says Ver.
2.0.0.15.

So, using Casey's link I got to the download page for 2.0.0.15 and
got the correct requirements.

Sorry for any confusion. Thanks for the correction, I'll install it
on my Win98 SE machine.

Regards,

Bill Watt  
Win98 Computer Help & Other Information  http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Dan - 05 Jul 2008 14:16 GMT
No Problem, Bill.  It looks like Firefox 2.x will be getting updates until
about the end of 2008 and then 98(SE) users will be left with using an
unsupported Firefox version, swtiching to Opera, using an old Internet
Explorer version officially unsupported since July 11, 2006.  However, there
were some workarounds as to breaking Internet Explorer patches to use the
updated components for Internet Explorer 6 sp1 in 98SE and I even tried this
for a little while but it probably is not worth the time and effort and
potential dll problems.  It really looks like the time is fast approaching
when the remaining 98(SE) on the Internet will continue to grow smaller and
smaller.  Windows 98 really did have a good run and it is hard to believe
that it is a decade old and next year will be the 10 year anniversary for
Windows 98 Second Edition.

> Reply at end.
>
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> Bill Watt  
> Win98 Computer Help & Other Information  http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Casey - 06 Jul 2008 20:07 GMT
> No Problem, Bill.  It looks like Firefox 2.x will be getting updates until
> about the end of 2008 and then 98(SE) users will be left with using an
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> that it is a decade old and next year will be the 10 year anniversary for
> Windows 98 Second Edition.

I understand that in the future internet addressing will change
from IP4 (now used) to IP6. I read that XP w/sp and up supports
IP4 and IP6--Win98 doesn't. MS will not upgrade Win98 to IP6.
I would like to go to XP but MS stopped selling it July 1.

My son suggested putting a Router, supporting both IP4/6, in front
of Win98 might be a solution.
Casey
Gary S. Terhune - 06 Jul 2008 23:17 GMT
IPv4 will work just fine for your lifetime, or at least certainly beyond any possible use of Windows 98. Don't worry about it.

While the Feds had the goal of converting everything to IPv6 (everything meaning all of their own networks), by last week, that only meant the *ability* to handle IPv6, not that it had to be used, nor that IPv4 could not be used. In fact, IPv4 and IPv6 will coexist for a long time, and in the meantime, hardware and software will be prominently developed to handle both.

If you want to read about it, try this Google search:
http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=ip4+ip6+transition

Or just accept this more simple explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6

"As of May 2008, IPv6 accounts for a minuscule fraction of the live addresses in the publicly-accessible Internet, which is still dominated by IPv4.[7]
"With the notable exceptions of stateless auto-configuration, more flexible addressing and Secure Neighbor Discovery (SEND), many of the features of IPv6 have been ported to IPv4 in a more or less elegant manner. Thus IPv6 deployment is primarily driven by IPv4 address space exhaustion, which has been slowed by the introduction of classless inter-domain routing (CIDR) and the extensive use of network address translation (NAT)."

IPv4 exhaustion

 Main article: IPv4 address exhaustion
Estimates as to when the pool of available IPv4 addresses will be exhausted vary widely. In 2003, Paul Wilson (director of APNIC) stated that, based on then-current rates of deployment, the available space would last until 2023.[8] In September 2005 a report by Cisco Systems, which is a network hardware manufacturer, reported that the pool of available addresses would be exhausted in as little as 4 to 5 years.[9] As of November 2007, a daily updated report projected that the IANA pool of unallocated addresses would be exhausted in May 2010, with the various Regional Internet Registries using up their allocations from IANA in April 2011. [10]

At the point at which the RIR and IANA pools are exhausted, while there would still be unused IPv4 addresses, the existing mechanisms for allocating those addresses would no longer be capable of being applied, and it is at the moment unclear as to what those mechanisms might be. Mechanisms that have been discussed for allocating IPv4 addresses beyond this point have included the reclamation of unused address space, re-engineering hosts and routers to allow the use of areas of the IPv4 address space which are currently unusable for technical reasons, and the creation of a market in IPv4 addresses."

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>> No Problem, Bill.  It looks like Firefox 2.x will be getting updates until
>> about the end of 2008 and then 98(SE) users will be left with using an
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> of Win98 might be a solution.
> Casey
Casey - 07 Jul 2008 18:29 GMT
> IPv4 will work just fine for your lifetime, or at least certainly beyond any possible use of Windows 98. Don't worry about it.
>
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>
> At the point at which the RIR and IANA pools are exhausted, while there would still be unused IPv4 addresses, the existing mechanisms for allocating those addresses would no longer be capable of being applied, and it is at the moment unclear as to what those mechanisms might be. Mechanisms that have been discussed for allocating IPv4 addresses beyond this point have included the reclamation of unused address space, re-engineering hosts and routers to allow the use of areas of the IPv4 address space which are currently unusable for technical reasons, and the creation of a market in IPv4 addresses."

Thank you Gary. That was quite informative.
Casey
Dan - 26 Jul 2008 16:52 GMT
<snip>

Indeed, Gary S. Terhune is very knowledgable.  He has helped me numerous
times over the years and to that I can give him great thanks and I am so glad
that he continues to post and monitor the windows 98 general newsgroup.
 
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