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Windows Forum / Windows Me / Networking / November 2004Sharing internet connection??
I have windows me, and have just bought a xbox live kit, Ive been told that it only works on win 2000 and win xp, This is due to not being able to use dial up networking to share the connection to the xbox, the only way ive been told is to update to win xp? If you can help please explain as though talking to a five yr old, as i need steps to do something or the rattle gets thrown from the pram, thanks in advance... What does it say on the box? Win ME (and Win98) systems can also use broadband - if your ISP supports it. RTFM  SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >I have windows me, and have just bought a xbox live kit, Ive been told that > it only works on win 2000 and win xp, This is due to not being able to use [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thrown > from the pram, thanks in advance... How to configure Internet Connection Sharing 1. Sign on to AOL 2. When you have signed on, click on the Start menu button, then move your mouse cursor to Settings, then click Network and Dial-Up Connections. The Network and Dial-Up Connections window will appear. 3. A small window should now appear showing some icons, of which one will be called Local Area Network, and another will be the connection you use to connect to the Internet, (Internet 2). If you do not have at least two icons, your PC is not able to act as a Microsoft ICS host. Check to make sure your network card is installed correctly. 4. Assuming you do have at least two icons, select the icon for your Internet connection, for AOL this is Internet 2 connection. This should be the connection you wish to share. Right-click it, and then click Properties. 5. In the Properties dialog box, click on the 'Advanced' tab and then click the check box stating you wish to enable Internet Connection Sharing. 6. Click OK to close the Properties dialog box. With these steps completed, your PC should now be configured to share your existing Internet connection. If you have not already done so, now is the time to set up the cable connections between your console and PC. Thats how aol says i connect to the internet sharing, but on ME it doesnt have the internet 2 icon, only, make new connection, aol, aol diognostics, all of these dont have the internet sharing option on them, when i phoned aol they said you cant do it on win ME, Onnly on 2000 and xp. AOL will NOT allow you to share an internet connection on a dialup service - only on broadband. again, the distinction is between broadband and dialup - not between OS's SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > How to configure Internet Connection Sharing > 1. Sign on to AOL [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > all of these dont have the internet sharing option on them, when i phoned > aol they said you cant do it on win ME, Onnly on 2000 and xp. > AOL will NOT allow you to share an internet connection on a dialup > service - only on broadband. > again, the distinction is between broadband and dialup - not between > OS's Note also that this is AOL making this restriction not the operating system. Use any other ISP and one can use Internet Connection Sharing whether on dial-up or broadband. SignatureMike Maltby MS-MVP mcmaltby@hotmail.com Some others also get shirty about it - if they find out - but AOL is the only one I know of that pre-empts the problem by using their own dialler which blocks efforts to use ICS SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >> AOL will NOT allow you to share an internet connection on a dialup >> service - only on broadband. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > system. Use any other ISP and one can use Internet Connection Sharing > whether on dial-up or broadband. Getting "shirty", IOW not officially permitting the use of internet sharing, is I feel somewhat different though from actually preventing the use of ICS through the use of proprietary connection software such as practiced by AOL. For a short time I used such an ISP who objected to my posting details in their private newsgroups of how to enable ICS back in the days of Win 98 when a third party product was required (ICS was introduced by Microsoft in 98SE). The original MSN (as an ISP) from way back (Win 95) was much like AOL in so much as little was possible other than via their own interface but that all changed with, I think, MSN2.5. SignatureMike Maltby MS-MVP mcmaltby@hotmail.com > Some others also get shirty about it - if they find out - but AOL is > the only one I know of that pre-empts the problem by using their own > dialler which blocks efforts to use ICS i would switch but ive only just signed up so have a 12mth contract, Is there any way to bypass this? Or do i need to buy a new computer? I did the download check on microsoft to see if my comp can take xp but said i cant so what should i do?? I say again - XP will NOT fix your problem with ICS over AOL (I'm not even convinced that you need ICS, unless you plan on having both the XBox and the PC online at the same time - but as I've never seen an Xbox yet, I'm shooting from the hip here!) SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >i would switch but ive only just signed up so have a 12mth contract, Is >there > any way to bypass this? Or do i need to buy a new computer? I did the > download check on microsoft to see if my comp can take xp but said i cant > so > what should i do?? Aol says that i can use xbox live on win 200 and win xp, their are security issues with ME, they said upgrade to xp and they will help me set it up they just dont support win me. As for having ics, there are three ways to connect, 1- direct from modem (aol doesnt support) 2- Router (again still have win me so no-no) 3- Through pc whilst powered up. (aol support but not with me) How bloody stupid is that... > I say again - XP will NOT fix your problem with ICS over AOL > (I'm not even convinced that you need ICS, unless you plan on having both > the XBox and the PC online at the same time - but as I've never seen an Xbox > yet, I'm shooting from the hip here!) > I say again - XP will NOT fix your problem with ICS over AOL > (I'm not even convinced that you need ICS, unless you plan on having both [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > so > > what should i do?? AOL will tell you whatever they like - the FACT is that they do NOT support ICS over dialup. If you wish to (and are able to - I'm not) upgrade to broadband, then you will find that ME works as well as XP for ICS over AOL Win ME will support routers - but AOL won't - and dialup can't Your problem is with AOL and your connection - nothing you have said yet leads me to think that the problem lies with ME. SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Aol says that i can use xbox live on win 200 and win xp, their are > security [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> > so >> > what should i do?? > i would switch but ive only just signed up so have a 12mth contract, > Is there any way to bypass this? Or do i need to buy a new computer? > I did the download check on microsoft to see if my comp can take xp > but said i cant so what should i do?? So why did you say "due to not being able to use dial up networking to share the connection"? Internet Connection Sharing has been a feature of Microsoft operating systems since Win 98SE and if an xbox works with XP's ICS it should also work with that in Win Me as it also should with that provided by Win 98SE. As for "what should I do?" a good place to start could be to ask the correct question in the correct place. Win Me supports internet connection sharing. AOL, I understand supports internet connection sharing provided the user is on broadband - which you are. So other than a connection to the internet what are the requirements of your xbox? I suspect none so I can't see why you cannot use Win Me's ICS as the connection since as far as the xbox is concerned the connection will appear identical to that provided by either XP or a direct connection to a router. What you may have to do though is configure port forwarding through the host to the xbox regardless of the host be it Win Me, XP or a router. Regards, SignatureMike Maltby MS-MVP mcmaltby@hotmail.com As for the rude response i said from the start i am unsure what to ask or do as being about as good with pc`s as i am with woman (seriously, you can ask her) AOL said to go into settings then local area networking, i dont have this, it said try in dial up networking and look for internet 2, again i dont have this, when i asked why they asked me what win i was on, told them win ME, they said that i am unable to use networking with AOL only because im on ME. If i had xp i could use it or win 200 which they also support, m not sure but i guess that it disables the local area option because its not on my computer anywhere. If you think you have a way please let me know and i will try it. On my xbox when i have everything connected and try to connect it says it cant find a dns server. not sure if that helps. > > i would switch but ive only just signed up so have a 12mth contract, > > Is there any way to bypass this? Or do i need to buy a new computer? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Regards, Rude response? If that's your response when I'm trying to help you then heaven help anyone who is trying to be rude. Clearly AOL have a lot to learn and appear unwilling to do so. AOL 9 has many issues when installed on Win Me and these are down to the sheer incompetence of their programmers. It would appear that you are a victim of a similar incompetence by their first line tech support. I wish you luck in getting your xbox working but since none of the issues you are having have anything to do with the operating system you are using but rather with your ISP I will leave it for others to try and help as I do not and never will use AOL. SignatureMike Maltby MS-MVP mcmaltby@hotmail.com > As for the rude response i said from the start i am unsure what to > ask or do as being about as good with pc`s as i am with woman [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > try it. On my xbox when i have everything connected and try to > connect it says it cant find a dns server. not sure if that helps. > I have windows me, and have just bought a xbox live kit, Ive been told that > it only works on win 2000 and win xp... Wrong. If the Xbox kit is like the Sony Playstation 2, the OS on the computer is irrelevant. > This is due to not being able to use dial up networking to share the > connection to the xbox... The only issue, when running a game console through an ICS connection is the effect of NAT on the game ports. This is a factor of NAT, not of the OS. > ...the only way ive been told is to update to win xp? They are blowing you off. > If you can help please explain as though talking to a five yr old, > as i need steps to do something or the rattle gets thrown > from the pram, thanks in advance... Yes; I see what you mean about throwing the rattle from the pram. Calling somebody rude, and all; still... Your Xbox is going to need an IP address. It can get one several ways. A direct connection to the Internet, as a computer, will let it pull a public IP address from your provider. However, this works best with a provider which doesn't proxy your connection. I don't know how that will work with AOL. Or, you connect to an ICS computer. Your Xbox will get an IP address from the ICS NAT. It matters not if you are using Windows Me's built-in NAT, Windows 98 (not SE) with something like Wingate, any flavor of Linus with the included software router (like ICS); or even a hardware router. I use the latter. I have a Sony Playstation 2 with the Ethernet adapter. I run a CAT5 patch cable from the RJ45 connector on the back of the console to one of the four LAN ports on my Netgear FR114P. I have the Netgear set up to assign an IP address to each connected device by its MAC address. That is all there is to it. Any difficulty that you may encounter will be of two natures: A.> Local. Your network configuration is wrong. B.> Remote. Your provider is playing funny games with the connection. You can fix the former by figuring out what the configuration needs to be. I can't see that the Xbox is different from my PS2. I tell the PS2 not to log in to the ISP; that is handled by the Netgear. I tell the PS2 to automatically obtain an IP address from the router. The PS2 sends a DHCP request to the router, and it gets an IP address from the router. NAT software, such as ICS, even Windows Me ICS, will respond to the request with a local IP address for the console. The rest is how you need to move packets from an Internet game server to the console, and back. SignatureNorman ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint > I have windows me, and have just bought a xbox live kit, Ive been told that > it only works on win 2000 and win xp... Wrong. If the Xbox kit is like the Sony Playstation 2, the OS on the computer is irrelevant. > This is due to not being able to use dial up networking to share the > connection to the xbox... The only issue, when running a game console through an ICS connection is the effect of NAT on the game ports. This is a factor of NAT, not of the OS. > ...the only way ive been told is to update to win xp? They are blowing you off. > If you can help please explain as though talking to a five yr old, > as i need steps to do something or the rattle gets thrown > from the pram, thanks in advance... Yes; I see what you mean about throwing the rattle from the pram. Calling somebody rude, and all; still... Your Xbox is going to need an IP address. It can get one several ways. A direct connection to the Internet, as a computer, will let it pull a public IP address from your provider. However, this works best with a provider which doesn't proxy your connection. I don't know how that will work with AOL. Or, you connect to an ICS computer. Your Xbox will get an IP address from the ICS NAT. It matters not if you are using Windows Me's built-in NAT, Windows 98 (not SE) with something like Wingate, any flavor of Linus with the included software router (like ICS); or even a hardware router. I use the latter. I have a Sony Playstation 2 with the Ethernet adapter. I run a CAT5 patch cable from the RJ45 connector on the back of the console to one of the four LAN ports on my Netgear FR114P. I have the Netgear set up to assign an IP address to each connected device by its MAC address. That is all there is to it. Any difficulty that you may encounter will be of two natures: A.> Local. Your network configuration is wrong. B.> Remote. Your provider is playing funny games with the connection. You can fix the former by figuring out what the configuration needs to be. I can't see that the Xbox is different from my PS2. I tell the PS2 not to log in to the ISP; that is handled by the Netgear. I tell the PS2 to automatically obtain an IP address from the router. The PS2 sends a DHCP request to the router, and it gets an IP address from the router. NAT software, such as ICS, even Windows Me ICS, will respond to the request with a local IP address for the console. The rest is how you need to move packets from an Internet game server to the console, and back. SignatureNorman ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint |
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