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Jake Montgomery - 20 Oct 2004 22:36 GMT

I hope this is possible, as I have already spent a lot of time trying to
get it to work.

MY SETUP: A tower running XPPro and a laptop running ME. I have created
a workgroup, and successfully networked the two computers through an old
10T8 hub. I am only using TCP/IP.

WHAT WORKS: If I have the laptop Ethernet card plugged in to the hub
when I boot it, everything works file, and I can use printers and share
files on the XP machine.

PROBLEM: I would like to be able to have the laptop already running, and
attach it to the network. Unfortunately, if I do that I get the "Unable
to browse network" error when I go to 'Entire network'. 'net view'
gives me a 6118 error. I can ping my XP box from the laptop in this
case. Strangely, I can even access the shared resources on the ME
laptop _from_ the XP machine (but not the other way around.)

Is there any way to get the ME machine to connect to the network after
windows is already running. Is my behavior normal, or do have have a
problem.

Thanx in advance, Jake.

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Carey Holzman - 21 Oct 2004 04:26 GMT

Log off and then log back on.

Carey

>I hope this is possible, as I have already spent a lot of time trying to
>get it to work.
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>
> Thanx in advance, Jake.

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Jake Montgomery - 22 Oct 2004 18:41 GMT

[Sorry about the top posting]

I would rather not log off, and back on. But for some reason, even that
does not restore my network connection. I must have the Ethernet cable
connected when I first boot the machine.

As noted, I can 'ping' the XP machine, and use other services. I just
can not access the network (file and printer sharing) in any way if I
connect after booting.

Thanx,
Jake

> Log off and then log back on.
>
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>>
>>Thanx in advance, Jake.

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Steve Winograd [MVP] - 21 Oct 2004 07:47 GMT

>I hope this is possible, as I have already spent a lot of time trying to
>get it to work.
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>
>Thanx in advance, Jake.

It can take up to 15 minutes after a computer connects to the network
before network browsing works. During that time, you should be able
to access another computer by typing the other computer's name in the
Start | Run box preceded by two backslash characters:

\\computer

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Jake Montgomery - 22 Oct 2004 18:19 GMT

>>I hope this is possible, as I have already spent a lot of time trying to
>>get it to work.

[...]

>>PROBLEM: I would like to be able to have the laptop already running, and
>>attach it to the network. Unfortunately, if I do that I get the "Unable
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> \\computer

I have tried this, and I get a 'cannot find' message. As mentioned
earlier 'net view' also can not see anything.

I must admit that I misspoke when I said that i can see the laptop from
the XP machine. That was a different scenario. I can see the _network_
from the XP machine, but the laptop is not on the network.

Is there any way to 'restart' networking services on the ME machine
after is is already running?

Is there anything I can do on the XP machine to make this work?

Thanx, Jake

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Noel Paton - 22 Oct 2004 20:55 GMT

Do you have any kind of firewall on the ME box? - if so, then disable it and
see if that helps

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>>>I hope this is possible, as I have already spent a lot of time trying to
>>>get it to work.
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>
> Thanx, Jake

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Jake Montgomery - 23 Oct 2004 03:05 GMT

> Do you have any kind of firewall on the ME box? - if so, then disable it and
> see if that helps

Noel,

You got it! It was ZoneAlarm. I had checked the logs and it _said_
it had not blocked anything, and yet when I shut it down, everything
works fine. Now I need to go to the ZoneAlarm group and find out how to
fix it. Many Thanx.

Jake.

[P.S.] I dont know why my newsgroup program did not include the entire
post in this reply.

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Noel Paton - 23 Oct 2004 07:24 GMT

Glad I was able to point you in the right direction - good luck!

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3)
Gecko/20040910
Not familiar with that one - what is it??

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>> Do you have any kind of firewall on the ME box? - if so, then disable it
>> and see if that helps
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> [P.S.] I dont know why my newsgroup program did not include the entire
> post in this reply.

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N. Miller - 30 Oct 2004 07:28 GMT

> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3)
> Gecko/20040910
> Not familiar with that one - what is it??

Rev:1.7.3? I would say that it is the Mail & News client in a full Mozilla
install. When I open Mozilla, and go to Help > About, I see this:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910

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Noel Paton - 30 Oct 2004 09:35 GMT

Ah - thanks, Norman.
(It was the Gecko that confused me! visions of lizards and things.... I
really must play with the Moz sometime!)

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>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3)
>> Gecko/20040910
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> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910

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N. Miller - 30 Oct 2004 07:34 GMT

> [P.S.] I dont know why my newsgroup program did not include the entire
> post in this reply.

Noel follows the MSFT custom of top posting, putting his signature between
his reply and the quote of the previous message. It looks like he is using
MS Outlook Express with the MS Windows XP SP2, which repaired a broken
feature of MSOE; it adds a proper signature separator, a "dash-dash-space-
endline" sequence.

You are using the Mail & News client of Mozilla 1.7.3. This, unlike MSOE, is
not broken, and follows the standard of stripping all parts of a quoted
message after the signature separator. Your client is working as designed,
which plays havoc when a top posted message, with the signature placed
between the reply and the quote, has a standards compliant signature
separator. You will not cure top posting; all you can do is the extra work
of cutting and pasting the previous post to fix the problem. Or ignore the
problem, and the trimmed quotation.

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~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
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Jake Montgomery - 02 Nov 2004 18:57 GMT

>>[P.S.] I dont know why my newsgroup program did not include the entire
>>post in this reply.
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> of cutting and pasting the previous post to fix the problem. Or ignore the
> problem, and the trimmed quotation.

Thanx for the knowledgeable explanation.
Perhaps someday there will be no top posting? (Utopian dreamer?)

A: Because it changes the order you read a conversation
Q: Why is top-posting so annoying?
A: Top-posting
Q: What is the most annoying thing in newsgroups?

Jake.

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