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Ogg - 06 Oct 2006 03:46 GMT

I had a Win98 and WinME working fine peer-to-peer with ICS for a few weeks.
The Win98 operated as ICS-host. The shared internet was via a wireless Wan
card connected to an outdoor antenna. In the mean time, the Win98 is now
changed to work with a DSL modem. The modem is connected via USB to the
Win98 at a Hub.

Internet access is fine at the Win98 Pc. File network sharing is working
ok between the two computers too. But the client WinME pc can't see the
internet.

Could someone please advise what can be adjusted on the Winme PC if
possible? Here are the "ipconfig /all" dumps of both computers:

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Win98 (ICS Host):
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Windows 98 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . : WIN98.no-domain-set.bellcanada
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

0 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

1 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO PCI Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-A0-C9-83-99-B4
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

2 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : ICSHARE Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-13-A3-E5-EA-C6
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.10
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 10 05 06 4:57:51 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 10 08 06 4:57:51 PM

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WinME(client):
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Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . : TIM
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

0 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-0C-76-28-C1-C2
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

1 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

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Steve Winograd [MVP] - 07 Oct 2006 10:32 GMT

>I had a Win98 and WinME working fine peer-to-peer with ICS for a few weeks.
>The Win98 operated as ICS-host. The shared internet was via a wireless Wan
[quoted text clipped - 102 lines]
> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
> Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

You've configured the WinMe(Client) computer's IP address manually,
but you didn't specify Default Gateway and DNS Server addresses. Set
them both to 192.168.0.1.

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Ogg - 08 Oct 2006 02:26 GMT

Hello, Steve!
You wrote on Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:32:14 -0600:

>> ===========
>> WinME(client):
>> ===========
>> Windows IP Configuration

>> Host Name . . . . . . . . . : TIM
>> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . :
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
>> NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

>> 0 Ethernet adapter :

>> Description . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast
>> Ethernet NIC
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
>> Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

SWM> You've configured the WinMe(Client) computer's IP address manually,
SWM> but you didn't specify Default Gateway and DNS Server addresses.
SWM> Set them both to 192.168.0.1.

Thankyou! Will try that. Will I have to manually enable "DHCP server" on
the client too? I was comparing ipconfig /all results of a similar setup
between a WinME(ICS host) and an XP(client).. and the DHCP Server is
"enabled" on both computers.

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Steve Winograd [MVP] - 08 Oct 2006 06:37 GMT

>Hello, Steve!
>You wrote on Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:32:14 -0600:
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>between a WinME(ICS host) and an XP(client).. and the DHCP Server is
>"enabled" on both computers.

You're welcome, Ogg. If you configure the client computer's TCP/IP
properties manually (disabling DHCP), you have to specify the Default
Gateway and DNS Server.

Unless you have a specific reason for configuring the client computer
manually, configure it to obtain an IP address automatically (enabling
DHCP). The host computer's DHCP server will automatically make the
necessary settings.

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Ogg - 09 Oct 2006 02:11 GMT

Hello, Steve!
You wrote on Sat, 07 Oct 2006 23:37:46 -0600:

SWM> If you configure the client computer's TCP/IP properties
SWM> manually (disabling DHCP), you have to specify the
SWM> Default Gateway and DNS Server.

SWM> Unless you have a specific reason for configuring the client
SWM> computer manually, configure it to obtain an IP address
SWM> automatically (enabling DHCP). The host computer's
SWM> DHCP server will automatically make the necessary settings.

I'm not sure what happend and why the "automatically detect" was not
selected.. maybe I wanted to ensure that the peer-client was actually using
the standard 192.168.0.2 address for itself and not attempting assign
something else.

Despite that, it looks like the Win98(Host) wants to use 192.168.2.1, and
not the 192.168.0.1 that I expected it should as shown by the following:

> Description . . . . . . . . : ICSHARE Adapter.
> Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-13-A3-E5-EA-C6
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1

Furthermore.. I'm concerned about the "IP address" at 192.168.2.10. That
appears to resemble an internal IP address that one would see behind a
router. But the setup has no router.. It has a Speedstream 4200 modem.
Eventually I want to be able to use a VNC server from the Win98(Host) pc.
But it looks like it will be impossible if the ICSHARE doesn't see a "real"
IP address. Right?

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Steve Winograd [MVP] - 10 Oct 2006 07:32 GMT

>Hello, Steve!
>You wrote on Sat, 07 Oct 2006 23:37:46 -0600:
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>But it looks like it will be impossible if the ICSHARE doesn't see a "real"
>IP address. Right?

Your ICS host computer has two network adapters:

1. The "ICSHARE Adapter" is the shared Internet connection, which is
invisible to the client computer. The 192.168.2.10 address is
assigned to this adapter by the Speedstream modem.

2. The "Intel(R) PRO PCI Adapter" connects to the client computer.
This adapter has IP address 192.168.0.1, assigned to it by ICS. The
client computer must have a compatible 192.168.0.x address, with the
Default Gateway and DNS Server settings that I indicated previously.

To allow a computer on the Internet to access the client computer's
VNC server, you'll have to configure both the Speedstream modem and
the ICS host computer to open holes in their firewalls and forward VNC
packets to the client computer.

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Ogg - 10 Oct 2006 21:05 GMT

Hello, Steve!
You wrote on Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:32:49 -0600:

SWM> Your ICS host computer has two network adapters:

SWM> 1. The "ICSHARE Adapter" is the shared Internet connection, which
SWM> is invisible to the client computer. ...

It's been a long while since I ever looked at ICS. I should have realized
the "invisible" part! Thanks.

SWM> To allow a computer on the Internet to access the client computer's
SWM> VNC server, you'll have to configure both the Speedstream modem and
SWM> the ICS host computer to open holes in their firewalls and forward
SWM> VNC packets to the client computer.

I'm familiar with using a couple of ICSconfig tools. Opening holes in ICS
should go well. I just never had to deal with a Speedstream 4200 before.
Apparently it's modem that is only sold to ISPs as part of their DSL package
to customers, so there is little info on manual configuration of the model.
The interface via http:// 192.168.2.10 is really minimal! Meanwhile, I
found a manual online which I hope will help.

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Steve Winograd [MVP] - 11 Oct 2006 08:05 GMT

>Hello, Steve!
>You wrote on Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:32:49 -0600:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>The interface via http:// 192.168.2.10 is really minimal! Meanwhile, I
>found a manual online which I hope will help.

You're welcome, Ogg. I hope that the Speedstream 4200 manual has the
right stuff for you.

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