AW, could be a tricky one, but I have heard/seen 'similar' reports and
symptoms.
What happens if, at the 'first boot of the day' you boot from your floppy a
couple of times and THEN boot normally?
That you have a 6.4GB hard disk suggests a 'fairly old' one whose bearings
*may* be beginning to dry out and a first-of-the-day 'cold boot' *might* be
just enough for it to struggle to spin up to speed to load WinMe properly.
That first (failed) boot *may* then be just enough to 'warm-up' the hard
drive so that the next re-boot proceeds (a forced scandisk will result, due
to you having to switch off and on again, without a 'proper' shutdown) and
WinMe loads normally.
I have come across this condition myself once with a HDD and several times
with old CD-ROM's - and in the case of CD-ROM's, I have actually managed to
put a spot of oil on the bearing, prolonging their lives slightly - not
possible with HDD's of course.
There is another condition (although not quite the same as yours) where the
pc always boots straight into a 'forced' scandisk - even when it has
previously shut down normally. This *may* be worth a look at and confirming
that the patch has been installed/updated on your machine, perhaps even
experimenting with. See :-
"ScanDisk Runs Even Though Windows Shut Down Correctly"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/273017/en-us
Take a look at the files bootlog.prv and bootlog.txt (in the root folder of
the C: drive) using Notepad to read them. You *might* get a clue as to what
is causing it to hang.
It might also be worth trying Boot Log Analyzer (Freeware) from
http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/terrace/pk29/
It might help you to pin down the cause of the slow boot-ups. (NB - Although
it says Win95/98, it also works on WinME)
Look at the 'Duration' column and look for an event (or events) taking
several 'tens' of seconds, instead of fractions of seconds.
Also see "Load Failures Listed in the Bootlog.txt File"
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;127970
If you not sure how to decipher the results, you might need to seek the
assistance of your local PC repair shop. See their note :- " ...
interpreting the results requires in-depth technical knowledge."
Plenty to go at and I hope that it helps
Mart
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AW - 17 Apr 2006 17:13 GMT
Mart
Nine times out of ten the first boot of the day is OK. The machine has been
locking up at times recently (for no apparent reason) and if I switch it off
at the box and start it up again the boot starts but hangs. If I switch it
off at the box again it boots normally. I have recently had trouble with
Liveupdate from Norton for my Firewall and AV software (i.e it wouldn't
update). I then took the decision to remove Norton Firewall 2003 and Norton
AV 2004 but I had problems removing these (i.e they wouldn't uninstall -
that's when I considered a clean install). Finally I managed to remove Norton
AV 2004 correctly (Control Panel\Add or Remove Programs) but I had to access
the Symantec site for a tool to uninstall Norton Personal Firewall 2003. All
components are now uninstalled. Do you possibly think it was the Norton
products that were causing the problems? I network the ME machine with my
main machine (XP) and I have reconfigured the XP machine so that everything
should now go via Norton Personal Firewall on the XP machine. I will give it
a few days and see what happens. If everything is OK I will download the
Grisoft AVG software for the ME machine instead of Norton. If not I will read
the links/bootlog files that you provided and if I can't find an answer I may
yet do a clean install. Do you know of any free tools that would check the
software status/stability of the computer running ME that offers fixes?
Thanks again

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> AW, could be a tricky one, but I have heard/seen 'similar' reports and
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Mart - 17 Apr 2006 19:01 GMT
Wow!! - That puts a completely different complexion on the whole story - so
much so that you can probably ignore my previous posts.
Far be it for me to comment on (any) Norton (product) - others who visit
these pages are far better qualified <vbg> but I'm sure that it would be
'helpful' to remove ALL Symantec/Norton utilities and find (free)
alternatives. Let Google be you friend!
Although not an endorsement, I use AVG (free) and have for quite some time
and it's kept me clear of virii (famous last words!). Avast is also
'approved' by many of the visitors to these pages. ZoneAlarm (free) is often
regarded as a reasonably good Firewall, although I now use the one integral
to my router for WinMe.
Mart
> Mart
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AW - 17 Apr 2006 23:47 GMT
Well, I'm quite shocked to say the least. I had no idea that Norton products
could interfere with the smooth running of a machine. You would expect such
high profile, fairly costly products to be trouble free. I have also Norton
AV 2004 and Norton Personal Firewall 2003 running on my main XP machine and
they don't (yet) appear to cause any problems but I take your (sort of)
advice and may exchange them if problems do occur.
I will watch the ME machine and report back if there are still problems.
Thanks again for all your help

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> Wow!! - That puts a completely different complexion on the whole story - so
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